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Pathfinder Card Game Subscriber. FullStarFullStarFullStarFullStarFullStar Venture-Captain, Canada-Alberta. 124 posts (126 including aliases). 2 reviews. No lists. No wishlists. 16 Pathfinder Society characters.


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TimD wrote:

Random things I thought I'd see on your list I'm not seeing:

wands - any, as you have weaponwand as one of your spells known, but no wands in your gear list...
arrows which are blunt, cold iron, or alchemical silver (your enhancement bonus is only +1) - or any other specialty arrows (ex. dye, trip, tanglefoot, splintercloud)
a backup weapon, or at least a spiked gauntlet in case of grappling / prone

Some random thoughts on other things you may want to think about purchasing:

50gp - air crystal
50gp - anti plague
50gp - anti toxin
150gp - scroll of see invisibility or glitterdust (or 600gp for a tar & feathers feather token)
300gp - potion of darkvision
750gp - potion of cure blindness / deafness
1,000gp - bead of newt prevention
1,000gp - add adaptive to the composite bow
1,000gp - fortifying stone to attach to the composite bow
2,000gp - blood reservoir of physical prowess
2,000gp - efficient quiver
3,000gp - add impervious to the composite bow
3,150gp - silver nocking point

I didn't get into all the stuff I have. Just some of the relevant part.

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666bender wrote:
How do you get 15 feet no aoo step ?

Jaunt boots -jaunt

In ultimate equipment.

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Saethori wrote:
I assume because if all the combat combined in a day is less than 31 rounds, then he has enough bardic performance to support it, and does not need to buy an item to give him more.

Exactly. Thanks Saethori.

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cavernshark wrote:
I don't have any specific advice or suggestions, but I've been looking at making a magic based archer for awhile and so your build is particularly nice. I was wondering if you would be willing to share some general experiences with it as you leveled up. In particular, did you find the lack of a spell slot at each level to hold you back? Any obvious "gotchas" or moments where you felt things didn't work?

To be honest, I played this guy to lvl 2 and then GMed everything but my last two scenarios. So I can't say anything beyond this guy is a good party character. Everybody loves him around, not the least of which is when he starts his bard song for inspire courage everybody gets +4 to hit and +4 to dmg and +1d6 sonic dmg.

Spells are not really a problem as I only use them when I can't make a full attack. The only thing that is frustrating is I have to wait to either switch out spells or add the evocation ones. But because pathfinder allows retroactive bonuses to apply, every time I raise my Cha I get a new spell to choose. Also using the rules for retraining in ultimate campaign can help in a pinch.

Make sure you have a get out of dodge maneuver. Mine is use my jaunt boots to take a 15ft step that doesn't provoke as a move and then DD REALLY far away. First range increment for a longbow is over 100ft, and that usually takes the BBEG a round or so to get to me.

GHOST SALT ARROWS - everybody breathes a sigh of relief when I can take care of pesky incorporeal creatures.

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Fomsie wrote:

I would also consider getting one of these: Tuned Bowstring

I thought about that, but my party pointed out that if combat actually lasted more than 31 rounds, than the cleric is out of spells, the alchemist is out of bombs, and the party is toast. For 18K it just didn't seem to be worth the price.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Nice build! I have an Arrowsong at level 8, and it looks like your build. I could take notes from your build. One critique though: your Bracers of Archery don't stack with Bardic Performance, you know that, right? I saw them and decided to not buy them because my first action in combat will pretty much always be to Inspire.

I didn't see that!! Good catch. Good thing I didn't buy the greater version. Thanks.

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I've had fun with this PC and he's now currently going through eyes of the ten (one chronicle so far). I'm trying to figure out anything really cool that he should have. Any comments?

Arrowsong Ministrel lvl 12
Race: Vishkanya (GM boon) but could easily go with Ifrit with the new rules
Stats Str:12, Dex:22, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 20
HP: 84. Initiative +9
AC: 25 Touch: 20 Flatfooted 19 (Armor 5, Dex 6, NA 1, Deflection 2, Miscellaneous 1
Fort 9 (+12 vs poison) Refl 17, Will 11
CMB +10 CMD 26
Skills with Ranks: Diplomacy 21, Disable Device 9, Knowledge arcana 9, knowledge local 9, knowledge planes 8, knowledge religion 9, Perception 22, Perform Oratory 20, spellcraft 18, UMD 20

Feats: point blank shot, precise shot (bonus), Weapon Focus (longbow), Rapid Shot, Improved Critical, manyshot, discordant voice

SA: low-light vision, keen senses, limber, Poison Resistance +12, Poison Use, Toxic 1/day DC 18, Weapon Familiarity, Bardic Performance 31rds/day, Inspire Courage +4, Countersong, Inspire Greatness, Jack of all Trades, Versatiltity (Sense motive +20), Spellstrike, Diminished Spell Casting

Traits: Reactionary, Stabbing Spells

Spells known: Detect Magic, Light, Open/close, Read Magic, Message, Prestidigitation
Saving Finale, Weaponwand, Chord of Shards, Adoration, Expeditious Retreat, Liberating Command
Mirror Image, Bestow Insight (GM star spell), Arrow Eruption, Frigid Touch, Acid Arrow
Haste, Dispel Magic, Displacement, Battering Blast
Dimension Door, Freedom of Movement, Song of Healing, Grand Destiny
Spells added to bard list: Gravity Bow, True Strike, Acid Arrow, Scorching Ray, Frigid Touch, Battering Blast, Flame Arrow, Arrow Eruption

Items: +1 seeking holy +1 composite longbow with deliquesent gloves and lesser bracers of archery +18/+13 1d8+2 + 1d6 acid + 2d6 holy + 1d6 sonic, +1 spellstoring mithril chain shirt, Cloak of Res +3, RoP + 2, Belt of Dex +4, Amulet of NA +1, 3 reasons to live ( special bard item), Handy haversack , lesser meta magic rod of rime, eyes of the eagle, ghost salt arrows, durable admantine arrows (50), Jaunt Boots, wayfinder, clear spindle ioun stone, cracked dusty rose ioun stone, cracked pink ioun stone, mswk thieves tools, headband of Cha + 2, Incandescent blue ioun stone.

What do people think?

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Under the arcane archery feature, an arrowsong ministrel picks a number of spells equal to her Cha modifier and adds it to the her bards spell list. She then gains a new spell added to the list at 4th lvl and every 4 lvls afterwards.

What happens if the Cha mod is raised? Does she get spells retroactively, like Int and skill points? Not sure about this.

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Ran it for the first time tonight.

The Good:
Great story Linda! I like how it gives a taste of the Raginori, hope I spelled that right, storyline especially since we are running 8-00 tomorrow.
Captains. Awesome role playing encounters. My group chose the djinn with the fancy airship.

The Bad:
The only thing I really had a problem with was the airship encounters with the Wyrds. Trying to track 8 different things at once withsubjectional Gravity was a nightmare especially with the distances in the hundreds of feet. I used three d10s to get the distances right and even then it fell short.

The Funny:
One PC was playing the aristocrat. She gave the wyrd her dagger and said because it was from her that it was a noble dagger, making the wyrd noble. It failed it's sense motive check. There is now a wyrd flying around on the plane of air thinking that it's a noble.

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Thanks everyone for not letting the idea die!!

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If a PC has a +1 shocking and flaming longsword and used the mastery feat would the PC get 1d4 for each energy damage?

***** Venture-Captain, Canada-Alberta aka Dragios

So if if inventory sheets are no longer mandatory why are they included at the back of the guide?

***** Venture-Captain, Canada-Alberta aka Dragios

I'm running this for a group who wants to get their eyes of their 10 pcs up there, just like you Steve. I've already started the prep and I'm going to use Comcast for the maps. That should help with the large encounters. My question is this:

Are the Pale Ones evil? It doesn't say and because my PCs will use Prot from Evil if possession is involved, I'd like to make sure.

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I think this is going to come up soon...

If an elemental race, Ifrit, oread, and so on, and they take the associated bloodrager blood line, do they get the listed bonus? As in their cha is +2 higher for bloodrager powers?

They allowed the bloodline to count for other requirements such as draconic bloodrager to dragon disciple.

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This looks like a great module! A low lvl adventure but it allows players to get to sixth lvl. This and dragons demand allows players to really sink their teeth into the Pathfinder system without having to worry about an adventure path.

I hope this is sanctioned as well. Of course, with hated Aspis Consortium about, why wouldn't it?

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Good day James Jacobs, Owen Stephens, Rob McCreary, Adam Daigle, Mark Moreland (anybody else I missed, I apologize) and to all the other die hard dragon fans out there.

I am writing today to correct a grave error. In over 100 issues of the Pathfinder Adventure Path series, there has not been a dragon themed AP as yet published. While dragons generally do make an appearance in every AP, in fact I don't know one that doesn't, they haven't had their own focused AP totally devoted to the fantastic race that they are. I have read the boards, and I have heard the reasons of why now is not the time for a dragon themed AP. "It would be too repetitive to kill dragons at the end of every book" "If it's just a dragon at the end of AP than it's not a dragon themed book" "We don't want to rehash or ripoff somebody else's work" "There is no champion currently at Paizo willing to take it on" Those are to name a few. I'm sure others could find more. But I will address these points.

"It would be too repetitive to kill dragons at the end of every book" That part I do agree with. However, with the WEALTH of dragon inspired lore that is already in the Pathfinder universe such as sorcerer bloodlines, Dragons Revisited, other APs, the beastiaries, half-dragons, and the new Legacy of Dragons coming out in July, there are other options. Dragons generally do have minions.

"If it's just a dragon at the end of the AP than it's not a dragon themed book" Neither was Rise of Runelords! Was there a runelord at the end of every book? No! You had me quaking in fear, and had the one Runelord hiding in the shadows!! It was great!!! I loved it!! I fought minions, and apprentices, and plot after plot before I finally hit the point where the Runelords plans were clear! And I loved you for presenting the AP this way. A dragon themed AP could do so much. A red dragon cleric of Rovagug is aiming to destroy Varisia!! Or an umbral dragon is working from the plane of shadow to conquer Cheliax. It doesn't even have to have the dragon as the main antagonist. A twice cursed bronze dragon oracle becomes the PCs patron. And that's just the ones I thought of while sitting here typing this. I'm sure others could easily chime in if you gave them 5 min.

"We don't want to rehash or ripoff someone else's work." Paizo doesn't "ripoff" others. A great example was carrion crown. You took the classic gothic horror that we all grew up with and loved, and made interesting and exciting stories of your own! You did a great job! You could do the same with a dragon themed one as well.

"There is nobody at Paizo willing to champion this as yet." Unfortunately, there I can't offer anything beyond the fact that whoever from Paizo would pick up the torch for this project would have the FULL backing of myself, plus a lot of others who have been screaming for this.

I can only speak for myself. Paizo as a company has done an outstanding job in it's lifetime. You took a game that I love, tweaked it, and put it out there. And not only did Pathfinder do well, IT OUTSOLD ITS PREDECESSOR!!! Why? You guys have a great staff and your authors are top notch!! You work as a team and it shows. I believe it would be a great AP once you guys finally do it.

And so this is where I plead for help. If I am wrong, than I will pipe down, put my tail between my legs, and not mention this again. But for the rest of you dragon fans out there, I'm asking for your assistance. If you do believe, as I do, that Paizo could put out a GREAT AP, than please comment below. No negative comments please. If you think that I am wrong, and must express it than send me a Private Message.

I don't think I am wrong though. You have a great staff and great authors at your disposal, Paizo. You could do a dragon themed AP that would be epic. If you truly want somebody to encourage you, than let me be the first. I don't think I will be the last.

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Please Mr Owen Stephens, developer from on high, master of the printed page....

PLEASE put out a dragon themed AP.


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So there's a couple of reasons o choose psychic and people can debate my choice f they want. (That's what these boards are for!)

I've never played a psychic before
I've always had preference for spontaneous casters vs prepared.
I get more skill points than with a sorcerer seeing how psychics use their Int for spellcasting
Focused Force for obvious reasons
With the faith discipline I get spiritual weapon as a bonus spell
I'm not impeded by silence or hold person
Pathfinder savant for the esoteric magic feature that allows me to pick up spiritual ally among other spells

Another spell that is useful with this PC is force sword. Though not legal yet in PFS, it allows the caster to cast a longsword that can be given to other PCs. Couple that with toppling spell!

I haven't looked at the shaman combo above. I tried playing a shaman but didn't like their flavour. But I haven't really given the one I made a chance so will look into it.

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Imbicatus wrote:
Dragios wrote:
I think the demoralize action was a gray area as psychic magic said you have to be under a spell with an emotion or fear descriptor. I think it was flagged for an FAQ by a bunch of people in a different thread.
There was a FAQ confirming Intimidate shuts down emotion components.

Thank you!!

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Here's the link where they are discussing it.

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I think the demoralize action was a gray area as psychic magic said you have to be under a spell with an emotion or fear descriptor. I think it was flagged for an FAQ by a bunch of people in a different thread.

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Reading the rules of psychic magic, I'm wondering if this is correct:

A psychic caster can operate with impunity in an area affected by silence, but a regular caster such as arcane or divine, would be hampered without the silent spell feat?

Because if this is true, that seems a touch overpowered.

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So I think I've done it. A good force Mage build, but always looking for improvements.

5 levels of psychic. I took the faith based one. And I'm using an aasimar build so it fits theme wise. Took the magical lineage trait for the casting of magic missile. Took spell specialization for magic missile. One of the amplifications for the psychic was focused force which increase damage dice by 1 step. Does not increase casting time. And the psychic has more skill points than a typical sorcerer.

Than take the rest in Pathfinder Savant. Where I use the esoteric magic feature to get the spells I need. But the psychic spell list is impressive, and there's a lot of force spells on it already, such as twilight knife.

With this build, he can be a very good party buffer, backup healer thanks to the faith psychic, and can still do dmg.

Weaknesses: Spell Focus feat. I have to take that to qualify for Savant. The problem is, I'm playing him with no saving throws, which makes spell focus kinda useless. Any ideas what I could do with this?

Because of spells, Int based, Faith amplifications, wis based, and because UMD is such a big part of is build, all of my physical stats took a dive. Str -7, Dex 10, con 12. So invisibility is a must for survival! Any other suggestions?

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But a white Mage arcanist does allow me to qualify for a mystic Theurge.

4lvls of archanist to qualify
1 lvl of oracle to build off of
And then the rest mystic Theurge.

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Ok. New question: anything else that allows divine and arcane casting?

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Yeah, somebody abused it somewhere.

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Well that sucks. I wonder why they changed it.

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So I have a GM aasimar race boon. I'm building the above because I miss the 3.5 force Mage. But since so many force spells are divine, and because I wanted to build a USEFUL MT here goes:

Race: Classic aasimar

Str: 8
Dex: 12
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 18
Cha: 12

1st lvl: Empyreal sorcerer, spells Magic Missile and Shield, feats Spell specialization (MM) traits magical knack and reactionary.
2nd lvl: cleric of Desna domains luck and good for the domain abilities and early domain spells.
3rd-4th lvls: lvls in cleric get access to spiritual weapon. Feat channel force
5th through 12 lvl mystic theurge.

Thoughts anyone? I think in the end, it's a great buffing and force dmg build.

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I want a dragon themed AP but based off of Runelords. IE Sorsha charmed an elder dragon and their children are wrecking havoc in Varisia.

Or Lastwall!!

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Kalindlara wrote:

Let's see... lot to unpack here.

15 PB, mostly Core only is OK.

I would strongly recommend against random chance in power use (1d2 per turn/10% chance of not working). It's unlikely to result in more fun.

If you're dead set on a version of this, maybe have something that happens after they've used a certain amount of mythic power in one fight - that way they can spend responsibly and enjoy their mythic nature, but if they nova, it burns them out. If there are consequences:

-No random chance of power failure. Even if the results aren't always predictable, like a little table of Mythic Overload effects, have the results be something they can understand and plan around once they happen.

-Something detrimental, but not completely punishing. Incurable fatigue/exhaustion or a penalty to caster level, at least until they recover their power.

That said, the better approach is probably to restrict options. I don't have a list of all the problem powers, but there's more than a few that need to be addressed.

Questions so far?

Thanks for the feedback. You're the second person to warn me against the random effects with mythic so I'll scrap that idea. I like your mythic overload table idea. I'll have to come up with one.

The reason I say staggered is because I found restricting action economy is the best chance to make fights more challenging. But I don't want the characters to die either. What about a curse effect? Too many mythic surges and they get affected by bestow curse no save. Or confusion effect? Get the party to use some of their mythic power on each other.

For the avatar with no name. What CR rating was your mooks as compared to the PCs?

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So this might be a reactivation of the thread, but this is my take:

Character creation

15 point buy core characters only with the exception of Oracles (as they are really just divine sorcerers), and urban ranger archetype.

Core races + aasimars and tieflings.

4 players. I'm actually taking this group through Dragon's Demand first to see how they work together (good module! Mike did very good work, but I digress)

Mythic stuff (everybody's favorite talking point)

Mortal creatures, demons, cultists, and so forth are not meant to be mythic, hence why they are rare. The bodies of these creatures are not adapted to this power and so periodically it can fail as the power is incompatible with their bodies.

Limit of 1d2 mythic powers per turn

Every time (this includes mythic feats or tiered powers that do not require mythic power to activate) must make a mythic check. 10% chance of not working for tier 1 powers and all feats. 15% chance of not working for tier 3 powers. 25% chance of not working for tier 6 powers.

Mythic spellcasting = mythic concentration check. DC = 20 (or 15?) + double the mythic points you put into it. Mythic surge can not be used with this.

If you fail these checks you do not lose the mythic power.

Mythic crash. Sometimes the power is too much. Every time a mythic power is used, a roll a FORT save DC = 10 +previous mythic powers used. On a fail, you become staggered for 1d4 rounds and the fort save reverts back to the base save. After 8 hours of rest the save also resets to the base save.

This also applies to all mythic bad guys as well. Except Baphomet and Deskari.

At tier 10 the heroes are fully adapted to their new status and the penalties no longer apply as they have now become True Mythic. Just so they can really bring it to the final fight.

The point is to impress on the players that mythic power is a gift best spent wisely. Not every round. And to use a system that everyone is familiar with such as arcane armor checks and concentration checks. Yes it's more dice to roll, but if you don't like that, I doubt you are reading this thread. I think with this system, mythic power works most of the time, but bad things happen when you rely on it too much.

So comments? Feedback? Let me know.

***** Venture-Captain, Canada-Alberta aka Dragios

I'm glad everyone from Paris is safe and sound.

As for myself, it was nerve wracking gming for Tonya. I was nervous! But I did do it in the end and everyone had fun so it all worked out. Online gaming is so different than what I'm used to, but I branched out of my comfort zone so we will have to see in the future.

Congrats Preston on the charity success!!

***** Venture-Captain, Canada-Alberta aka Dragios

How are people eating in area B while they are doing research? Are we assuming they're allowed to come out after 8 hours?

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How is the nightmare curse from the animate dream supposed to work? Like a poison?

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This is specific for PFS:

I have a lvl 5 elemental bloodlined sorcerer. I wish to make him an archetype. I want to make him crossblooded to the Red Dragon bloodline as well.

According to pg 189 of Ult. Camp. It's 5 days of retraining for every class feature that I wish to change.

By my way of thinking, that's 5 days for getting access to the bloodlined arcana, plus 5 days of getting the class skill, it would take 10 days of retraining.

The GM that is signing off on this agrees with the math above but says that I would also have to spend 10 days more days of retraining because I would now have access to the bloodline powers and bonus spells for a total of 20 days.

Because I am not choosing new spells or new bloodline powers I don't believe I need to spend this amount of time. Since we can't agree, I'm putting this on the boards to see what the majority says.

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Thanks for the guide though!

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So I've wanted to play a challenging character for a while now. So this is what I've got:

A Sylph Staff Magus Hexcrafter. (Yes I have the boon that allows me to play that)

I'm kinda waffling on the stats though. Not sure where the best placement of a 20 point buy is. I can dump Cha but not sure where else to put in stats.

Basically what I hope to do with this guy is:

1st round: Use Misfortune, move up to BBEG
2nd round: cackle to keep the misfortune up, spell strike with curse (blindness or bestow curse)

The staff is for the killer shield bonuses I'm going to get. That with Mithral Chain and windy escape, I should be pretty hard to hit.

Pros, Cons, advice? I'm all ears!

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At 4th level, the hexcrafter magus gains access to a small number of witch’s hexes. The hexcrafter magus picks one hex from the witch’s hex class feature. He gains the benefit of or uses that hex as if he were a witch of a level equal to his magus level.

This feature replaces spell recall.

Does this mean at 6th lvl and every 2nd lvl after the Hexcrafter gets another hex? The wording is a little vague.

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Good day! On behalf of the Edmonton, Alberta PFS group, I would like to invite people to our season 7 special, 7-00, that will be held on September 19th. We would love to have other players attend! If you or your group, wish to attend, please send me a private message on here or look for Edmonton PFS on Facebook so we can include you in our planning!

May your dice always roll 20s

VL Edmonton.

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Rules question here:

None of the dark stalkers are listed as having the see in darkness ability. I think that's just an oversight. The dark stalkers are all going to use deeper darkness on their weapons, what happens if a PC uses one daylight spell. I know it will cancel out one deeper darkness but what about all of them? Not sure.

And with creative story telling, and a little bit of extra info from the VC about what has happened before, I think this could be a great scenario. Running it tomorrow.

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I'm running Carrion Crown right now. It's a very good AP. it's very much investigation driven and the characters can make numerous choices that can affect the outcome.

But Shattered Star is the sequel to RotRL so if they really liked Varisia you could go back there.

My two copper.

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Yayyyyy! Back to Ustalav!

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For the people who are wondering how to impart "You better move your Pathfinder behinds" message to the group, a simple thing is to have the praetor mention they suspect the kobolds will sacrifice the miners as a gift to Lamashatu. That should get most parties moving.

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Has this happened to anybody?

The party encounters the last of the bandits in B2. But it's only when party enters B3 does the level get cut off. Why wouldn't the party pick up the survivors and lead them out before entering? Nothing's stopping them. I'm running this tonight and I'm going to give them perception checks to show them something shiny in B3 (the plasma skeletons), but I'm just wondering if this has come up at all.

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The animal companion could do one trick per round UNLESS the PC gives up a move or standard action to make it progress further. Either way the AC is still limited in the number of uses per day as his one half his HD plus his wisdom mod.

Would that work for most people?

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Matt Haddix wrote:
roll4initiative wrote:
What is the CMB of the wrecking ball trap? Same as it's attack bonus?

From the way it's written, I think you compare the same attack role to the victim's CMD.

Does anyone else find it funny that a necromancer who runs a shop selling undead and wears a skull on his face feels the need to cast undetectable alignment every day?

It's called the City of Strangers for a reason. If they have Trolls that slit their bellies and can do augeries, I don't think a man in a skull mask is really going to make much of an impression.

How are people letting their players know that there are 3 possible sources. All it says in the scenario is to make a check. If you pass, you find a contact in 1d4 hours. Should it say you found 3 possible contacts in 1d4? Or should they make 3 checks at the beginning for the 3 contacts?

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Has anybody given thought about increasing the DC of Vorel's Phage for characters who get infected multiple times? For poison the DC increases with multiple doses, just curious if it would work the same with multiple infections.

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I would put the DC of haunts at 10+CR. Just like an uncommon creature.

Just a suggestion when you run it: tell all your players to roll 40 Perception checks and 40 initiative checks. For each haunt, use their rolls that they write down for you at the beginning. If they make the perception check, they act in the surprise round. And then the initiative check will determine if they beat the haunt. About half way through, if they made a knowledge religion check, I would give them a +2 bonus on the save.

This way, they still get to make the rolls, but without knowing something's "up" when you ask for perception checks.

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Tried to see if this has been mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I couldn't find it. My apologies if this has been mentioned before. Has anyone noticed that the Skinsaw Man has a listed alignment of CN? I would have thought because of the fact that he's a ghast he would be CE.

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