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Calinder smiles at Barnabus' remark and says, "Well before assisting Dyfrig for a time I do not think I could have done so well. It's good to know that we have other options if Dyfrig cannot join us on our journeys. Hopefully I will continue to do as well as I am currently."

After cleaning up from breakfast, Calinder stows all his belongings and prepares to leave.

Sounds like a good plan Barnabus, and if they get out of hand, hopefully I have some things I can do to help defend ourselves.

Also, 'dots' aren't appearing when people post. Somat t'watch out fer there!

Yes, I have pretty much started checking daily whether it says there is a new post or not. I've also seen other posts about the issue as well.

Gloisil thankful for the aid from his uncle, and the other gnomes back home, opens his eyes after a moment to see if there are any foes left to deal with.

"Everyone okay?" He manages to says after the shouts die down and he gets his wits back about himself.

"Uncle, that was some powerful blast!"

I'm going to be starting a game doing just the opposite. Pathfinder core rules and APG, then allowing some 3.5 supplements to add some additional variety.

It would be interesting to compare the two to see good/bad points of each method.

Gloisil's hp roll: 1d4 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 1 = 4

I'll get Gloisil updated in the next few days.

Read through the thread after the pool. Koridur was given the sword, Gloisil tried to identify all the items. As far as I can tell, none of the other items were handed out, although Gloisil also put the necklace on and saw or received some information on the item the party is seeking.

I'm assuming that Gloisil is still possession of all the other items.

Here is a link the the post detailing what was found in the pool: Link to items in pool

I was going to say the same about Koridur, but Me'mori beat me too it. Other then that, the list looks accurate.

I can certainly play one of the NPC's without too much trouble. I'm currently playing three in the table top campaign that I am part of. My character, and two NPC's that we talked into joining our party.

Just send me the stats and everything I need to know, and I'll take a swing at it. Hopefully, I will not strike out.

(Sorry about the baseball metaphor, it's just that time of the year. Go Dodger's!)

Gloisil's second round action

Gloisil will reload his crossbow and fire at one of the remaining goblins.

Attack: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (12) + 3 = 15, Damage: 1d3 ⇒ 2

Congrats Val!

Well if they're close enough, then maybe one of them getting charred will cause the others to quit playing their 'music'.

Gloisil can't see a leader type; but over the din of battle you realize that those gobs are still beating the drums and gongs and that can't be good; wont take long for more to arrive; maybe even behind you and you get swamped over....

Gloisil Murigel wrote:

I know were waiting for a couple of people to post for third round, but I thought I get my round 4 post out there.

Gloisil looks to see if he can spot a leader of this group of goblins to attack.

Spot: 1d20+6

If there is a leader within 40 feet, Gloisil will target him with a scorching ray spell.

Ranged touch attack: 1d20+3, Damage: 4d6

Else, Gloisil will cast Burning Hands on another group of goblins in front of him.

Damage: 5d4

I'm back, my trip was last weekend. We had an enjoyable time, thanks.

I'll be unable to post from Friday evening to sometime on Monday. If needed someone can act for Gloisil. I'd suggest to continue using the burning hands from the wand, seems to be doing an adequate job. I'll get caught up when I can.

Thanks.

There's been several books that I have had to make several attempts to get through the first part of the book that was rather slow or unimpressive to get to the best part of the book. Once I finally completed the book, I was always glad that I just didn't give up on it.

On the flip-side there has only been one book that has captured me from first line to final line in that I could put it down until I had completed it. The book was There have been others that have come close, but none that have enthralled me as much as that one book did.

I also agree a lot with what Andrew Turner said above. That how I feel about a book at the time that I am reading it is affected by many external forces that are shaping my physical/emotional state at the time that I am reading the book.

I'm back and will be catching up on what happening as soon as I can.

I'm going to be unable to post again until next Saturday or later. I'll post here again when I'm able.

If someone would like to post actions for Gloisil for me that is fine, otherwise, I'll catch up when I'm able.

Thanks.

My group has also had a few issues like this with our mat, only it didn't sit quite that long. We found though that the hard to remove marks eventually just fade away. So if you can get the marks to be light enough to ignore for now, then eventually they may go away.

We as well also had an incident with a Sharpie and that eventually faded as well.

Peppermint ice cream made into a nice malt, that's good stuff. And don't forget the whip cream and cherry on top.

Secondly, any ice cream with lots of chocolate and caramel, either in the ice cream, or as a topping, or preferably both.

Desidera should be next followed by Gyldyr and then Sunset.

1) My boss who is the manager of our IT Department got me good not long after I had start working for my current company.

I had developed an irrational fear that he would leave the company and since he was the one with with the greatest knowledge of the systems that run our company, that we would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

He and another co-worker the night before packed all his personal things in a box and left it sitting on his chair, next to his desk. When I came in the next morning and walked by his office, the first thing I saw was the box with all his stuff in it. When I started asking questions, my co-worker convinced me that our boss had called in and said that he'd got another job and quit right then with no notice.

I was freaked out all morning until my boss came in to work.

2) Also in high school I once convinced a girl in one of my classes that I'd had all my nerves removed after she tried to pinch my arm as hard as she could, and I just sat there like nothing happened. Had her thinking that I couldn't feel a thing.

I was thinking that we would be going back towards the workrooms, continuing on past Yuri's door. I was thinking that was to the left if facing the elevator. The map Val just emailed to me shows a workroom diagonally across the hall from the elevator. I thought that this was Yuri's workroom, and then there is what looks to be another room next to the elevator to the left. That was the door that I was suggesting to check out. If I'm wrong let me know.

Gloisil is more than happy to relinquish the lead to the ork and/or the Koridur, as he is also a not heavily armored sorcerer.

"Koridur, if you would like to lead, I would feel more comfortable. Although in the heat of battle, I sometimes foolishly jump into the front lines, I am not really suited to being in front."

I hope so. It would seem to me the wise decision to strengthen our hold on this area by making sure Oleg and Svetlana are involved in our council. This way we maintain positive relations with people here and we can garner supplies.

"A wise thought my friend. If we become friends with the people that are trying to live honest lives the best they can, then we may gain their support in what we try to do."

Ok; you have only rested about an hour and 20 minutes actually, that is about how long it took for Gloisel to do his stuff. If the party all agrees; I can advance the time 8 hours; up to you guys.

Gloisel: is there not a skill called use magical device or use arcane device or something like that? that is the skill you would use. Also; tell me which door you are checking in order please.

Desidera Tahn wrote:

Desidera woke as everyone was doing their morning readying, rising and stretching with a mood that was sure to be termed "uncertain". The expression on her face said she had not slept all that well, though she had gotten rest. Her morning routine, was just that: routine. Armor was examined and donned, inventory was taken-- why did she smell chocolate?-- and then she settled herself on her folded bedroll as she sat for an hour, lifting the light within her to the light that she knew was outside, above their heads.

The expression on her face smoothed away as she prayed, and ended as she sighed and slumped from her rigid posture, opening her eyes and looking around at everyone. Of course, she watched the Dark Elf first, however, still trying to figure his motives.

She set to checking everyone's wounds, asking curiously, "Did anyone dream last night?"

Sorry, I thought I had said in a previous post that Gloisil rested after examining the box, ring and dagger, so you can advance us 8 hours, it's okay with me. I should have also cast Detect Magic on the key when I found it. Also, as Gloisil has no ranks in Use Magic Device, he cannot try to use it then because that skill can only be used trained.

Gloisil will cast Detect Magic on the key, and concentrate on it for the time required to find out everything he can about it.

Spellcraft check to determine aura type(s): 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (5) + 5 = 10

I'm reading Mothman's Whispering Cairn pbp. I started reading it because I took my game group through Age of Worms and wanted to see how another DM and group took to it.

I have to say that I was really impressed with how good of a job Mothman and his players are doing and now I follow it just because it is fun to read. I hope that they are planning on going forward, further in the AP as they are getting close to finishing the first part.

Hello,

I would also like to apply for a spot in your upcoming Kingmaker AP PbP. I reside in the Mountain time zone (GMT -7) and can post at least once a day.

Here is my character concept:

Val,

Gettin' a little confused here, are we suppose to be playing by 3.5 or Pathfinder rules? You just called for a perception check which is a Pathfinder skill.

Doug Greer wrote:

Moff,

Sorry to kind of take the current conversation on a tangent, but I would like to know why you think that the Book of Mormon doesn't "give glory to God"?

I don't have all my "stuff" here at work. So I'm going off memory right now but...

(I just looked up the story.)

The brass plates were held by a bad man. There is a lot of "The Lord said to me" (doesn't always say how -- often in dream, but it's never said what the dream was -- which is a significant difference with the Old Testament). But there really isn't that much that actually gives glory to God. There is a lot of "we must obey his commandments" but apparently that doesn't include the "thou shalt not murder". But even aside from that, I couldn't find anything that actually brought glory to God. Even to the point where Nephi continued deceiving other Hebrews. All this over something that was apparently excedingly important -- but we're never told why it was. (It was a geneology list for the most part. Actually, there are a couple different places where it says what it is and it differs -- but not why it's important.) The Ark of the Covenant was important for many ceremonies and services and was part of the "Holy of Holies". So I'm not sure how murdering a helpless man (evil though he might have been) over something that had a list of names on it is supposed to give glory to God. As near as I can tell it is a story about God commanding something, it happening, and life goes on.

Compared to David having the opportunity (a number of times) to kill Saul -- and he was certainly in his right -- this story just doesn't fit. The closest thing that I can come up with is the story of Jael in the book of Judges. But in that story, God never told Jael to kill the "bad king". Also, the last verse in the chapter essentially said that God was the one responsible, and how His glory was realized.

I'd have to get my stuff to figure out where the democracy stuff is and the information about flags and so...

The reason that the brass plates were important to Lehi and his family are that they were essentially the "scriptures" of their day. They did contain a genealogical record as do many of the books of the Old Testament. The brass plates also contained the Law of Moses and many of the writings of the prophets of the Old Testament up to about the Book of Isaiah.

They were important to Lehi and Nephi in the fact that it would enable them to remember the Law of Moses and the commandments as they had been given to the prophets. Thus they could teach their children and not forget the Lord.

In the Book of Mormon the Lord speaks to people in a variety of ways. Through dreams, by feelings and impressions, by hearing just his voice, whether just in the mind or heart, or an audible voice, by angels, and the Lord Himself appeared to the descendants of Lehi after his resurrection.

I have to ask, have you actually read the Book of Mormon? Because it sounds as if you've only read a summary of it, and depending on the summary and who wrote it, it may not be all that accurate. I would ask that you only pass judgment on it after having actually read the book.

In fact the the last prophet to write in the Book of Mormon makes the very same request. That if you really want to know the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, that you read it, and then sincerely pray to know if it is true and you will receive an answer.

The Book of Mormon -- There is surprisingly little in the Book of Mormon that actually gives glory to God.

Moff,

Sorry to kind of take the current conversation on a tangent, but I would like to know why you think that the Book of Mormon doesn't "give glory to God"?

I certainly see in my reading of the Book of Mormon, that it is most certainly another testament of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice to save us from death and our sins. It does contain some historical writings about Lehi and his descendants, but by far the main point of the Book of Mormon is that the Lord, Jesus Christ is our Savior.

I can try it again, but the truth is that God isn't mentioned quite as much as you might think it should be.

I think that if you even just read 1 Nephi Chapter 1, that you'll find that this is not the case, and certainly if you read the whole Book of Mormon, you'll find that it does give glory to God.

I would make the same suggestion in regards to reading the Book of Mormon that you asked of CourtFool in reading the Bible, that you read it with the intent of looking for God, and not just approaching it as a work of fiction or a historical document.

Well thanks for "listening" to me ramble on. Have a good day.

It just says 'clean' in the spell description, so I guess it's up to the DM as to how clean it gets us. Obviously though Val thinks wez ain't that clean. ;-)

Thanks. I'll see what Relayer has in mind for introducing my character and go from there. I'm glad to be part of the party, and of some assistance to keep things going. And thanks for the welcome everyone.

Well I got the new cleric in town mostly worked out except for his background information.

He is Roran, dwarf cleric of Torag.

I tried to get him balanced between being able to handle undead, standing on the front line, and doing some healing. We'll see how it goes.

Anyway, I'm pretty much ready, just need to create a new alias and I'll try and get that done by tomorrow. (Today I mean, I just noticed what time it is. Ouch, getting up tomorrow will be fun, not!)

Hello all. I'm a friend of Relayer's and will be running the new cleric.

I'll try and get the character wrapped up in the next day or two. We could do some of the introduction role playing while I work on it. I'll get a character outline to Relayer asap.

Of course if Relayer hears back from Jane and she wants to get back into the pbp, then I'd be happy to step aside or just be a second cleric in the party.

I'm thinking of running a dwarven cleric. A fighting cleric type that can fill in on the front lines when needed.

Defending an organization against charges of racial discrimination with a statement that makes it apparent that said organization still discriminates based on gender seems a bit... odd, to me.

Lindisty,

I tried to respond to your post earlier, but it looks as if the post monster ate it.

Within the LDS church there is an organization just for women, and it is considered just as important as any other organization in the church. Yes, women are not allowed to hold the priesthood in the church, but you do not have to hold the priesthood to serve in many callings in the church. In fact my daughter is speaking in church today before the whole congregation, just wish I could have been there to listen to her speak. My daughter is also in the presidency of her young woman's group. And my wife has two callings in the church. Because we have no paid ministry everyone helps out.

Are we without our problems, no. Do we have some errors in our past, yes. But that is because the church is populated by imperfect human beings trying their best that they know how to be better people.

Hey Doug,

Do not take my post as any sort of condemnation of your beliefs, I was just letting you know my personal experience. All I was trying to do was educate on some level what some homosexuals go through. Nothing more, I don't have anything against the LDS church, I fully support the practice of your beliefs up until it infringes on the beliefs or freedoms of others.

And I feel the same way. I would like nothing better than for everyone to live in peace together despite our difference. I believe that it will happen one day, but unfortunately, that day is not today.

Defending an organization against charges of racial discrimination with a statement that makes it apparent that said organization still discriminates based on gender seems a bit... odd, to me.

Lindisty,

Well let me try again, hopefully I'll do better than I did in my last attempt, as it is obvious that I rolled a natural 1. :-)

The LDS church has an internal organization just for women, and it is considered just as important as any other organization in the church. Yes, it is true that women don't hold the Priesthood in the LDS church, but you don't have to have the priesthood to serve in the church. In fact my daughter spoke in church today before the whole congregation. I wish I could have been there to listen, but I'm stuck at home recovering from surgery.

It has really been an eye opener today to sit and realize how many people I have met, both online and in person that have had such difficult lives. I've spent much of the day wishing that everyone's lives could been better then what they were. And it has also made me realize how thankful for my life I should be. Although I have my trials, I now know that my life has been pretty easy.

I hope that answers your questions.

Paul, Samnell, Jeremy and anyone else I may have offended:

I am truly sorry if my last remark caused offense. It is entirely for this reason that I stay away from these types of discussions. I am a very simple person in a lot of ways and even though I have my own problems, I have been very blessed with a happy and peaceful life. I know for a surety that a lot of that peace comes from being a member of the LDS faith.

Please believe me when I say that I wish for you that kind of peace in your lives. I would like nothing more then there to peace and friendship amongst us all.

My previous remark was meant to be self derogatory and to point out how inadequate I feel in discussing issues such as this. I know nothing of your lives and what you've been through, other than what Jeremy has posted about himself. Our lives have all been very different and I guess I just can't grasp what it would be like to walk in your shoes.

Well got to go, again I'm very sorry.

Stuff ...

That's the pain of living, isn't it? We will always find others who disagree with us. There will always be social conflicts. Any engaged person will develop opinions, and those will not be the same as others, even those of friends. Certainly one does not want to choose between one's friends and one's principles, though sometimes that choice would be far harder than others.

I'm a big fan of the traditional family. I grew up in one, though. I may be biased. One mother, one father, differing genitals between them, happily married these thirty-four years come December. More power to 'em. I wouldn't want to do anything that would hurt their relationship. It's healthy and happy. They enjoy all the benefits of marriage and I would not take a one away.

But what about the traditional family is imperiled? I think that people that want the traditional family should be welcome to it. I wish them long, healthy, and happy relationships with all the many benefits thereof just as I wish the same to those who desire non-traditional families. I mean, why not? Some will be happy. Some will not. Some will make it work. Some will give it up. That'll be true whatever the distribution of genitals is. Some of us will make mistakes. Some of us will get it right the first time. Some will outgrow each other or change so they're no longer compatible. Others will be together for life. People are people.

Or did you mean to say you have faith in the compulsory, exclusive traditional family and all others need not apply?

Yes, you can always find someone that will disagree with your opinion. For example, I have a co-worker that I love to debate the merits of a flat tax system vs. our current tax system. He just can't understand why I would give up all the deductions and tax breaks that I get. The thing is that I love the simplicity of having my a set percentage of my income automatically deducted and I just never see it or have to worry about it.

But getting back the subject at hand. I just feel like I can't discuss my opinions on this with out sounding like a bigoted idiot. In a nutshell, I believe that people are free to choose for themselves in this life, but that some of choices we make in this life will not be acceptable in the next life.

And with that, I've pushed that border about as far as I feel comfortable.

stuff...

Rereading all these posts I feel I should apologize to you as well. I meant no offense and will do my utmost, assuming I continue with this thread, to double check my responses and reasoning's behind them. Please accept my apology.

Thank you, and as I've said before this evening, it's all water under the bridge. Hopefully through this discussion we can all come to a better understanding of each other.

Kirth Gersen wrote:

Until I meet a Mormon who does not follow that example, I'm happy to put the LDS at the top of my list of examples of religions that seem to be doing more good than harm.

Except, in my opinion, Prop 8.

Sorry, I can't discuss this one, too many internal conflicts. I have friends on one side of the issue, and my faith in the traditional family on the other. It's just not subject I can cover very well. Plus, since I don't live in California anymore, I was rather detached from the whole thing.

And the fact that blacks that try to join the clergy are denied when their lineage is "traced" back to cain.

That was changed in September 1978, when in an official declaration made by Spencer W. Kimball, then president of the church, announced that all worthy male members of the church were eligible to hold the priesthood.

You can read the declaration for yourself here if you would like.

EDIT: To fix some horrible grammar.

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Until I meet a Mormon who does not follow that example, I'm happy to put the LDS at the top of my list of examples of religions that seem to be doing more good than harm.

Among any group you can always find a 'bad apple' if you look hard enough. Thankfully that is the exception to the rule. I'll admit that I'm not always the best person I should be. It's a struggle everyday to do what is right. And being a red head have a bit of a temper, although I have a pretty slow fuse. :-)

I can say the same for my friends and acquaintances that are members of other churches or beliefs. I think as people we tend to gravitate to what makes us comfortable.

Edit: To fix a typo.

Doug Greer wrote:

Well ... I better sign off before I start preaching and trying to convert everyone, just kidding. ;-) Have a good afternoon.

Glad you joined the conversation, and would be very interested to hear your responses to some of the comments made about the Book of Mormon upthread. We promise not to throw you out for proselytizing. ;-)

Also, are you related to Steve Greer? The last name + religious leanings made me wonder.

Well I feel a bit better about stepping out of the shadows and into the conversation. It's a bit awkward for me because I feel I'm not the best at this type of thing, but I'll do what I can.

I'll give some thought to some of the things that were posted previously and see what I can put together. I'm recovering from some minor surgery at the time so I'll have time to think about it.

As you could probably tell from my previous statement, I don't pretend to be a gospel scholar and I don't have the answers to everything, but I give it my best shot.

As for being related to Steve, it's possible. Most of the Greer's that I'm related to are from Utah, Idaho, and Southern California.

Doug Greer wrote:

There was at least one, me.

I sincerely apologize for opening that can of worms. I specifically used your religion because I knew it would get a rise. I am sorry.

Not a problem. Although some things touched a nerve, I got over it after giving it some thought. I think that in the end, as long as we keep the discussion as civil as possible, then it can be healthy for us to discuss with each other what we do or don't believe.

John, look at page 195 of the "Core Rules". Look at the section that talks about cover. It describe how to determine if a target has cover from an attacker, and describes how to do that for both melee and range.

What I believe Ammian's intent is, was to stand in the square in front of the door, but outside the room. He was then going to let the skeletons come to him, hence only three being in front of him. Now with a melee attack Ammian can only hit the skeleton directly in front of him in the doorway. The skeletons on either side of the door inside the room cannot be hit by Ammian, and they cannot hit him.

At least that is how I read the rules, but the final say is yours. Good luck everyone.

Crimson Jester wrote:

This thread is to have been about civil talk about religion. Please forgive me when I get upset when it just feels like Christian bashing.

Luckily, there were no Mormons to feel bashed a page or two back.

There was at least one, me. It's been an interesting discussion to follow and brought out a whole range of emotions out in me. In the end, every time I felt like posting a rebuttal to something that was said, I realized that I was being too emotional at the moment and would probably cause more harm then good, and so I held back. I learned a long time ago that you can't 'argue' religion.

I also feel that religion cannot be 'proved'. To me it is strictly a matter of faith and belief. If you believe in a religion, that is okay by me. It is also okay with me if you don't, but I'm pretty easy going that way.

We all have the freedom to choose for ourselves. I can't force anyone to be LDS anymore then anyone could force me to give up my belief in the LDS church. We all choose for ourselves, I made the choice to join the LDS church when I was ten years old and I'm glad that I made that choice.

Well ... I better sign off before I start preaching and trying to convert everyone, just kidding. ;-) Have a good afternoon.

I searched through the whole campaign up to this point and could see no other mention of experience.

Is the XP that you posted on the main thread the XP for just that battle, or our total so far. I may have missed any other posts about XP earned and I'm just wondering what Gloisil's total is at this point.

Val,

I keep forgetting about my familiar. Do you have a problem if I just assume that he has been with me the whole time perched on my shoulder or tucked away safely somewhere, or would you rather assume that he was left back at home?

Not much I can do with him at this point, but he has more hit points then I do and can at least help me to do spot and listen checks. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

Val,

I also forgot to add some bonuses to my last attack for Gloisil. Not that the bonuses to my attack roll will make any difference since I hit anyway, but I may have done more damage.

I don't ever recall seeing a post from Sunset on what the bonuses from her Inspire Courage are. From the rules it looks to be +1 to attack, damage, and fear saves, but I don't know if she has any bonuses that would increase that. So, I at least should have done one more point of damage.

In the interest of trying to end the lull in the middle of our battle, I thought I'd throw a post out on the discussion thread. Besides, it had disappeared from the list, so this will get us back up near the top for a bit.

Are we waiting for someone in particular? Should we go ahead and start round 4? Just getting a little antsy, I hate cliffhangers.

I see. Thanks you both! The link Doug sent was very helpful in answering my question, especially the section about the Apostasy. I found it interesting that it cited Luther and Calvin as "inspired." The idea that other religions contain truth, but not the entire truth, resonates well with me. My own belief structure (which I'll call Reformed Christianity for specificity's sake, since LDS considers itself Christianity) claims to teach the truth insofar as it pertains to its primary subject matter, the relationship between man and God, and admits silence on many other matters. That allows a lot of room for other religions/worldviews/science/what have you to make non-contradictory truth claims.

Charlie, I guess it's my turn for a "Wall of text".

I'm glad that you found the information in the link useful. We (members of the LDS faith) believe that many people including Luther, Calvin, the founders of the USA, contributed to allowing the condition to be right, to cause Joseph Smith to ask the question, which of the churches at the time taught all the truths of Christ gospel. The answer of course that he received, is that none had the complete truth and that it was to be restored through him.

I don't know how much of what you read on the link I provided earlier, but if you read past the section on the Restoration then I think that other areas on the site may answer some of your follow-up questions. If you don't mind, I'll provide some links to other pages on that site that may help answer some of your questions.

Followup question: What does LDS teach about non-LDS Christians?

In the early days of the LDS church, Joseph Smith wrote the Articles of Faith as a basic statement of what the church members believe. The 11th Article of Faith is as follows.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

If you would like to read all thirteen, you can find them here.

Does LDS consider itself the true Christianity, and everything else is not?

I dislike it when members of the LDS church say that it is the only "true" church, especially when comparing it to the other Christian churches. As I have said before, the other Christian churches has some of the truth, but not the complete truth. I made the same mistake myself when I was younger and had first joined the church (I'm a convert to the church). I feel that a much better way to state it is, that we, as members of the LDS faith have the fullness of Christ's gospel as it was restore to Joseph Smith. We also have the Priesthood authority to perform the ordinances necessary for our eternal salvation. The fourth Article of Faith discusses the first ordinances and principles of the gospel.

You may think that my statement is just arguing semantics, but I feel that telling people that what they believe in is not the truth doesn't invite the proper spirit in to the discussion and causes contention.

After death, what becomes of, say, Lutherans? Is it required to follow LDS teachings in order to be saved (I recognize we may have different beliefs about what salvation is and entails; here I mean a good eternal outcome instead of a bad eternal outcome)? Is it possible for non-LDS Christians to be saved?

To answer this for the most part, I'll give you another link. If you will go here, and read the whole section "Heavenly Father's Plan of Happiness", in particular the pages starting at "Life After Death" and going through "Heaven and Eternal Reward".

I think that those web pages will answer your questions.

We believe that Christ's atonement did two things for us. First, it saves everyone born on this earth from death. Meaning that after we die, our spirits will be rejoined with our mortal bodies, that have been made perfect and we will live eternally in that perfected physical state. This is given to all who have lived on this earth regardless of how you lived your life.

Second, is that Christ atoned for our sins. Although Christ has already done this for us we still have to work for this one somewhat. We have to live the commandments and try to be like Christ, as close as we can in our mortal state. When we fall short, we can use the principle of repentance, to gain forgiveness for our sins and thereby come closer to Christ. If we die unrepentant of what we have done wrong, then we must pay for those sins in the afterlife.

Again, I hope that the information that I am providing to you is helping to answer your questions.

My apologies on the lack of updates. I've still been meaning to get this off the ground, but I haven't had a lot of time to plan things out. Military Deployment being what it is, we may have to postpone this until a later date. Those of you who are still interested, hang on to your characters for a bit until I get things straightened out on my end; Might be a month, might be until the end of the year, I'm not 100% sure yet, but I'm not going to drop this like a hot plate quite yet. I'd like to at least try and get this thing going. Once things are settled on my end, I'll make sure to email you folks.

Thanks for the update DKC. I'll just keep one eye on this thread, and another on my email and wait patiently. Osuini will just hang out in town getting ready for whatever adventure may be coming his way.