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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
It's not possible. The cake is simply too large to eat at one table.
I think as long as you scrape off some of the icing, it's fine. I ban one or two archetypes, and ignore most of the optional rules. Otherwise, all books open.
Although next game I run I want to ban the CRB (the classes) and see how it goes.
I'd like to cancel my Pathfinder Campaign Setting subscription. I'm hoping I have this in time that the current item can be removed from the order listed above, and I can receive just my RPG line item.
I really wish that the map folios were not part of the campaign setting, since they directly pertain the Adventure Paths. It's a pretty huge bummer.
More specifically, I sat down at the table with my wizard, his intelligent item psychic cohort (my followers from Leadership were back in my private demiplane where I was astral projecting from...and in my other private demiplane tending to my clone), the solar angel that I'd called via greater planar binding (utilizing Augmented Calling and Spell Perfection), a bythos aeon that my cohort had brought via greater planar ally (via the Faith psychic discipline), and a Gargantuan animated object (animated and made permanent by the solar angel). This rose to eight characters when I had my psychic cohort use monster summoning VII to bring in three (I rolled high) celestial triceratops in the first round of our first combat. (I should note that I'd mentioned all of these to the GM before we sat down to play, and he signed off on all of them.)
You obviously knew what you were doing, even if the DM didn't know what you were doing. When you have that level of system mastery, with that much freedom, you should be able to edit yourself to not ruin anyone else's experience at the table.
Check yourself before your wreck the game.
Only things I've banned in my current game:
Vanilla Summoner - Unchained is still allowed. Master Summoner is out entirely. I do this not because it's overpowered. It just has the largest chance for players to screw it up entirely.
Ninja/Samurai - Unless a player makes a super compelling reason that one of these are running around, they're not in my game. They're on a continent way across the ocean.
Vanilla Rogue - It's terrible. I force my players to use the unchained version for their own good.
Everything else is fair game. All the arguments I'm seeing about "X is overpowered" is just silly. If you see a character is outshining the rest of the group, pull your player aside and ask him to scale it back a little. If your group is constantly making a mockery of your carefully planned encounters, maybe it's time to go back to encounter building 101.
What was said above. Make sure it's actually taking the -3 on every attack roll. And also make sure its slowed down to 20ft movement speed in combat. Make sure he paid for barding instead of regular armor. DR thing is legit, but he has no way of getting a feat at level 2 as a druid. But it's only 1 time per day, and lasts 1min/lvl.
In the end, it's vulnerable to the same thing all other characters are. Disable it and it's fancy armor means nothing. Animal companions have garbage will saves.
Really though, if it becomes a serious issue where all of your other players are feeling left out, take him aside and talk to him person to person. Ask him to scale it back a bit.
Edit: quibblemuch beat me to it, and has a more complete list.
I love the Gunslinger, and think it's one of the more fun classes to play.
I can't stand the Shaman iconic. I think the trans-gendered aspect to it was pandering, and ham-fisted. Easily the worst iconic to date.
It annoys the crap out of me to see players constantly playing the same super optimized characters over and over again.
I hate playing with DMs who feel it necessary to ban everything outside of the CRB, but it seems to be all I find.
Pathfinder Society is a waste of time, and every DM that I've run across during PFS sessions aren't worth a damn.
I dislike the Adventure Paths. I think it's a bit crappy that Adventure Path subscribers are the only ones who get store discounts.
Pathfinder Online is a terrible game, and if it wasn't for the minis I got from the Kickstarter, I'd forever regret buying into it.
Master Summoner is the only thing I do not allow in my games. Well, aside from third party material. None of that crap allowed. I try to direct less seasoned players away from the more complicated classes, simply for the fact of slowing down the game. If someone wants to play the eastern flavored classes (Samurai and Ninja) there needs to be some really good roleplaying along with it.
James Jacobs wrote:
I'd even go for a hardcover about a country. Each city getting a map, several pages (or more). It's something that I feel is really missing from the setting. Yeah, I know we're free to make our own details, but I feel like the world could use this stuff.
Having run several long running campaigns since the Summoner was released as a class, I really have no problem with them at the table. I did find my life was made much easier by just outright banning Master Summoner. Gentlemen's agreements are nice and all, but the bitterness that can arise when you're picking apart someone's character isn't good for the game.
I most often find that the people arguing to allow master summoner, and saying that there's no issue with it, have never actually run a game. Honestly, that's a pretty important part to discovering how annoying they are.
...It stretches my suspension of disbelief...
Wizards. If you can suspend your disbelief enough that a grumpy old man can basically shatter the world with invisible forces that he harnesses with wiggling his fingers around while throwing a pinch of bat poop, why can you not do the same for someone who so intensely practices with a single weapon, that he's figured out a way to reload said weapon real fast.
That being said, you have to make up your mind. Are you not getting gunslinger because it bothers your idea of a fantasy setting, or is it because you don't see how it works in terms of mechanics? If it's the former, we can't help you. If it's the latter, we can.
Combined with the steadfast refusal to even acknowledge the repeated requests to update old AP's it seems like every time a whole new set of classes or a whole new version of previous classes gets introduced, it creeps my previous purchases that much closer to obsolescence, reducing their collective value.
This line right here made me chuckle a little. I have everything Paizo has released for the core PF line, along with almost everything from the campaign setting and the companion books (I skip APs because I don't want to run another person's adventure.) The most used book at my table? The first Pathfinder book I bought. Core. Next most used? APG. I still value the old books as much as the new ones. I guess I just don't see new options as something that makes my old options irrelevant.
I allow my players to use all of the hardcover material. Haven't had any problems yet. I don't try to memorize every mechanic of every class. Only the ones that my players are using in the current campaign so that I don't have any surprises. I love all of the options. There's classes from earlier books that I'll never play, and some from the later books that I'll never play. But just having those options available (even if I never partake of them) makes me feel far less constrained as a player and a DM.
My players have basically been on a grueling land journey to make their way home. While heading through the Fangwood, there was a huge surge in the blight due to Arlantia offing a few of the druids that were in power in Crystalhurst. My players arrived in Crystalhurst, and were fooled by a Druid that had turned coat and joined Arlantia. He offered to empty the coffers of the town if they could find a way to stop the blight. They spent quite a while in Fangwood itself, and gained a few levels before ever tracking Arlantia down.
And yeah, I know minions can add to the fight. I was planning on having minions with her. But I had players missing that night as a last minute thing and had to do some quick changes.
There's no stat block. I looked for one for quite a while.
My own players just made that same kill. I didn't actually use the blighted fey template. Just pieces of it, along with several levels of sorcerer. I had my players run a gauntlet of fey to get to her, along with a few traps along the way. The final fight with her was solo, but I really wish I had added a pair of shambling mounds with her.
James Sutter wrote:
I thought it was pretty poorly done, personally. Not that this is even the place to discuss such. However I was also afraid to post in the thread about it. Didn't want to get moderated into oblivion or be attacked for being against the popular opinion. But really, more to the point, no one should ever lose their job due to any of their personal... I don't even know the proper term for it. Proclivities?
I appreciate the religious standing of your friends. I also have friends who are practicing Wiccan. That being said, the Witch is part of the Pathfinder rules. Namely a class within the Pathfinder world of Golarion. It's not meant to emulate people who are Wiccan and refer to themselves as Witches. There is nothing wrong with the Pathfinder Witch, and no changes are needed.
However, you seem to have a pretty firm idea of your own envisioning of the Witch class. The Pathfinder rules are great in that you can throw away any part of it that you wish. Or rebuild it how you wish. Nothing is stopping you from doing so. You've got a good list of stuff there that you can add to your own version of the Witch class.
Ryan Dancey wrote:
Sounds far more like a design issue that should be fixed rather than something left up to customer service.
-Aet- Charlie wrote:
On that Note - Lisa Stevens doubled down on low reputation characters, doing what low reputation characters do. The initial consequence of participating in non consensual pvp is the reputation dump. If you continue to that thing and become an issue for the less pvp enthused players they will refund your money and ban you from the game.
I had a good hard laugh at this. I wonder how long it'll take me to earn my refund.
Right, well, LAUGHABLE CONDESCENSION and random CAPITALIZATION aside, I'll disagree with a point or two here.
A) It may be "Reasonable for a Company" and "Dirt Cheap for a Settlement", but ultimately these items aren't owned by a company or a settlement. They're owned by a person. Even if said person is using it for the benefit of the company or settlement. And that then also runs the risk of having money pooled to someone for a large purchase, and said person skips away with the item.
B) Well, you never really put a "B" point anywhere. Yes, I know 50 and 200 is just the start. I've heard the spiel that they've put out regarding cash shop items. But that really has no bearing on the points I made.
This is going to be a case of agree to disagree, I think. But in the future, you don't need to MAKE YOUR POST in SUCH A WAY to come off as being PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE just to make your point. As fun as it may be. =)
Kindly don't partially quote just to attempt to make a point. What you quoted was a direct reply to an assumption Decius made regarding me. Stop that.
My major issue with this is the price tag attached to the personal structure. Sure, given a choice I wouldn't want any to be available in casg shop form, because its more than a cosmetic feature. But if they have to be buyable, I'd rather not see them grossly overpriced.
Hardin Steele wrote:
I'm not familiar with summersnow. But despite what you're getting at, I don't see all negatives in this game. I just see this instance as being a negative.
I will ask you this one time to please not comment on what I will or will not say in the future. Do not guess to what I think or will do when you know nothing about me. In an ironic twist, if these were available through in game currency only, I wouldn't mind one bit. Even if they were hugely expensive. I came from a game where you couldn't buy in game structures with anything but in game currency. And some of them were incredibly expensive.
Alternatively, I believe 200 is an absurd amount of money for a cash shop item, making it a money grab. And the only people able to buy it for some time will be people who have already put a large chunk of money into this game. Thus the sticking too.
Hey, it's nice that some of you have questions and all that jazz. But this entire thread was posted because of angry happenings within a settlement. This is not the NC policy thread. If you have questions or "confusion" about the NC and how parties therein interact with one another, direct it to the NC thread.
I've found my players using save or suck spells a little less. Front line characters aren't wary about wading into combat quite as much, and the Oracle has had time to get up and actually heal during combat (I know, blasphemy) instead of just blowing hold person all over the place. From my GM perspective, I don't use save or sucks any more or less often, and they're still painful when landed on multiple people.
The one thing I have noticed is that this HP system has allowed some of the d8 classes to feel like they're more able to take the place of a d10 class in toe-to-toe combat.
I tried a bunch of different. Things. Average roll rounded up, normal rolls, roll and reroll if you get a 1... But it all felt kind of off to me. I've finally come to the point where I just have my players gain their max every level. The game finally feels right where the Barbarian has double the HP of the Wizard. Plus, I can throw fights out there that are slightly harder since everyone in the group has a larger HP pool. Level 2-4 critical hit deaths have become far less commonplace as well.
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
This is where I personally disconnect with what seems to be a majority of people that regularly post on these forums. As far as I'm concerned absolutely NOTHING right now is in character. There are no characters. Just people sitting at a computer (or holding a phone/tablet) posting on forums, and saying things themselves. Characters don't come into play until characters exist in game.
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Last I checked, it was any company with at least 5 members would have a seat. For the moment, free agents do not.
During Wildstar beta, they had some fairly free-form targeting. Most abilities seemed to be either a small area, or a cone, or a line effect. It put a big area on the ground that you had to aim to hit someone. I think I remember a couple of tab-targeted abilities also, but it's been a while. Either way, they seemed to have a good alternative to FPS style aiming and normal tab targeting.
Not saying this idea should be implemented. Just that those of you looking for other styles should look into it (I haven't touched it since early beta, so I don't know what its like now) and see if there's anything there that may be worth suggesting for PFO.