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Your 6 options are correct, and just use your best judgement for counting encounters, keeping in mind, that roleplaying encounters are encounters, too.
When in doubt, ask somsone you trust. :)
One more thing to keep in mind is that a PC only gets the gold for the encounters they do as well, so if the run away from the final encounter, they get no gold for it.
I believe Mike has gone on record stating that a GM character doesnt have to be created til you are actually going to play it, and until then chronicles (including race and the one being mentioned here) can be applied or removed as necessary.
I dont have a link though, and I could be wrong. But Im pretty sure.
Since Babau's come up a lot thanks to Season 5, an amusing way to help keep them from killing you (as quickly) if you cant get rid of the Darkness is to put up an Obscuring Mist or similar spell.
It doesnt help you kill them any faster, but since you have 20% concealment when they are adjacent, they cant Sneak Attack you. :)
Hmmm, I seem to have misread that rule.
Not to be an evil GM or anything, but the RAW on this is stupid. :(
The Fox wrote:
I most certainly did not say that.
I said it needs to already BE an aasimar or a tiefling, and that it needs to have agt least 1xp dated prior to August 14th. Aside from that, I dont care where the exp came from.
Now if Mike and John rule it has to be player credit, I'll abide by it until I can get them to change their mind.
It's ambiguous, because it doesn't mention level 1 rebuilds at all, which are a legal part of the campaign. Not does it mention GM credit or pregen credit characters that haven't been played as their own PC yet.
It doesnt need to mention any of those things. Not mentioning it means there is no special circumstance for it, so you apply the rules as normal. Credit can be used to make a character using any legal stuff you want, as long as you own the source material. Simple.
If someone GMs on August 1, puts the credit on a new PC number, and writes up the character sheet as a tiefling on August 10, but doesn't actually play that character for the first time until August 20, is that a legal tiefling?
Perfectly legal, because the character was created before August 14th.
If it is, then why wouldn't it be if the same exact thing if they first put the character stats (including race) down on paper on August 15? How would anyone know the difference? More important, why should anyone care?
Because as of August 14th, it is no longer legal. Unless that person tells anyone, no, noone is likely to know the difference and many wont care. If the person can live with themselves for not following the rules of the game, then so be it. Cheaters gonna cheat.
Unless campaign staff clarifies otherwise, when I'm GMing, I'll just assume that any character with 1 xp before August 14 is legal to be an aasimar or tiefling. Needing to know or care when and how it became that race just seems like an unnecessary complication, which is why I'm hoping that's how Paizo will tell us to handle it.
And that's your perogative.
Unconscious people would immediately begin to drown. That aside, it is a good use for the spell that I had not considered before.
This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.
Mike and John did not make the SLA ruling, that was the rules team. The goal for PFS is to change as few things about RAW as possible. Since the rules team made the SLA ruling, PFS has abided by it.
And no official reason has been given (publicly) for why the Aasimar and Tiefling are getting banned, but they were a problem long before the SLA rule change.
Would you want to get blamed for something at work that someone in another department did? Cause thats what you are doing here.
Selter Sago de'Morcaine PFS wrote:
The PRD only covers the hardcover books. If you want a really good site for searching for PFS-legal stuff, look at Achives of Nethys. The Open Road symbol next to something means its legal. And the person running it keeps it pretty up to date.
To quote the Blog post itself, specifically, "The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign."
The blog post says in very plain English that the character must be an aasimar or tiefling prior to the cut-off date.
Can you please explain how this is so confusing? Cause all it is sounding like to me is that you disagree with how its being worded, so you are declaring it 'too vague to tell' until we get an answer from Mike or John. That isnt likely to happen, IMO, and you may end up hurting yourself and others in the long run cause the first official answer you will likely get is Guide 6.0, which will probably come out only a week or so before Gencon.
Im not trying to keep anyone from playing those races. If youve got a level 1 now that you think you might at some point want to be an aasimar or tiefling, then 'start' the rebuild now. Like I said earlier, a character sheet that has the name, race, and PFS number on it is likely good enough for me, as long as you do that before the cut off date.
How will I know if you did? I wont. Thats the purpose of the honor system. Unless you try to rebuild it in front of me, or dont have a chronicle dated before August 14, I'll let you play it. :)
The notion is coming from a desire to make sure the person didnt change after the cut off, which is reasonable.In the case of how the blog was worded, though, I agree that it is unnecessary.
If Mike and John were goign to require that kind of thing, they could have just as easily made the cap 4xp, to make sure the character is locked in on its race.
They didnt do it, and unless the Guide says something else about it indicating that IS going to be the case, no other restriction should be put on the player. If they say it was an aasimar or tiefling before the date and have at least 1xp chronicle dated before the date, you should take their word for it. That's how the honor system works.
Chris Mortika wrote:
That seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I dont know if that is how Mike or John are going to work it into the Guide. :/
The Fox wrote:
You may want to print that post out, though, so you have it handy if questioned. :)
Yes, you should be fine, though TOZ' suggestion might not be a bad one.
If nothing else, I would definitely have something written down onto the character sheet, though how much it takes to qualify as having 'made' the character is likely a table variance issue, unfortunately.
Personally, Id be fine as long as you had the race, character name, and number on it. Others might want the whole thing fleshed out. :/
The Fox wrote:
Before August 14th, any of them.After August 14th, none of them.
After that date, they will not be legal to use unless with a race boon, so unless you have already made the character* before that point, you wont be able to choose them.
Unless there is something I have missed, there should not be any difference in how this is handled for GM credit to player credit on an actual character to player credit earned on a pregen. :)
The Fox wrote:
No. You can use GM credit. :)
No, it's not common sense. It depends on the exact wording of the grandfathering rule, which we haven't seen yet. The quick summary of changes presented in the blog post didn't specify how rebuilding rules would apply.
Youve already seen the grandfathering rule. They said any Aasimar or tiefling with 1xp or more before August 14th will be grandfathered into the campaign.
That said, you are welcome to believe what you want, but please dont go around telling other people there is no reason for them to be posting, and that we are merely guessing at the answer. Preston and I have both posted an answer. You have nothing to show that can counteract it, so by trying to discredit us, you only make the situation worse.
The point of posting is that there is no need for an official response from Mike or John. As of August 14th, those options will no longer be legal for play without a boon. So you will no longer be able to retrain into them. It would be no different if you tried to retrain into a class or archetype that got removed.
No, we are not just guessing. Its common sense.
True enough. That's where the HP comes in. ;)
Actually, Im particularly fond of the character concept, cause he's a guy who definitely knows how to unlock that door for you so you can sneak in and steal what needs stolen, but wont do it, cause that would be morally and legally wrong. :P
I wonder if that was intentional?
pH unbalanced wrote:
I have a demon-spawn Ninja/Paladin. He's lots of fun to play, and the guy you actually WANT at the front of the party. Quiet, tough, good perception, and can actually disable the traps he comes across.
This, more or less.
The first sentence really was in jest. The rest was honest inquiry.
Jeff Merola wrote:
My apologies for not having read all 150+ posts in the thread before posting. :P
Jeff Merola wrote:
Did you notice the :P ?
And I didnt pick that up at all from that post, considering the post you quoted said nothing about not-banning them.
True, but if you didnt do it til after August 14th, the Aasimar and teifling are no longer legal options to choose. So, really, at that point we are just going on the honor system there. :)
I agree with Kyle and David. Under normal conditions you cant rebuild into a race that is not available. However, if you have the 1 xp you are actually grandfathered into that race and it is available for that character only.
I assume you mean someone with, for example, a 1xp Aasimar fighter could retrain into an Aasimar Warpriest once the ACG comes out? Cause that would be legal.
A 1xp human fighter could NOT, however, retrain into an Aasimar Warpriest once the ACG comes out, as the race will be out of open access by then.
Jeff Merola wrote:
So you are saying that if they are going to be banned, then all existing characters of those races shouldnt be legal to be played anymore?
No? I didnt think so. That would just be silly. :P
I understand the difference you are showing, but I disagree that its a big deal. Id rather have to deal with the scorn of the people who will make a dozen 1xp tieflings and aasimars before gencon so they can continue playing those for a long time than deal with players who suddenly arent allowed to play their characters that theyve already invested all the time and effort into.
I'll admit I have moments of being the 'rules guy', though I do attempt to keep those few and far between.
One thing I dont like, though, and I dont mean to make it sound like Im passing the buck here, but there are times when rules disagreements come up at the table that Im not a part of (meaning both Im not a part of that disagreement when Im at that table, or that Im not even AT THAT TABLE) and the people feel compelled to get me to rule on it. I dont feel like its my place to do that unless its a life-and-death matter.
This kind of thing happened a LOT at our last con to the point where I was about to freak out on someone if they needed to come ask me something about their table while I was trying to play at or run my own.
It most certainly is not a dick move. If Majuba doesnt like those options being in the campaign, he is more than welcome to be happy with their removal. He is just as entitled to his feelings on the matter as you are, even if you dont agree with him.
If you mean the dick move is on Paizo's part for restricting the races again, well, I'll have to disagree. They are trying their best to find out what works best for the campaign. Those races have been open access for 3 years, and are now being put back on the shelf to give another set of races a chance to shine. Perhaps this is the beginning of a cycle with these sets and the elementals. One set open access, one set boon-only but no boons being given out, and one set as boon-only convention boons.
Yes, it is a game. But that doesnt excuse the talking over the GM, leaving shortly after they arrived to get food (in the middle of the game), not being prepared for the table, and especially showing up 50 minutes late. That's jerk behavior.
Unless the table is just really late getting started, you know what I tell people who show up 50 minutes late to our events? "Sorry, you're too late to play. Slots start at 11am and 4pm next time on ___ date."
Or we could have an organizer contact Mike and ask for prize support for their local store the same way convention organizers currently do. As I understand it, anyone who GMs at a con with prize support gets a boon today, which would be overkill for local game days. As I said earlier, I think it would be nice if our store could randomly give out 1-3 race boons per month to the GMs of our 20+ tables per month. It would be a nice incentive/reward for GMs without suffering from over-distribution.
This is already allowed, as long as the game day will have at least 15 tables over the course of the day.
The point is that there needs to be some kind of cut off point, else every single time someone runs a table, theyd be getting a boon on top of the existing rewards they already get for playing/running the scenario.
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Maybe not in those exact words, but yes, this.
It is not your job to get an official ruling for him. If he cares so little that he isnt willing to do it himself, he obviously doesnt care enough to want to play his character the way he wants.
Until he does somehow get a dev or Mike to side with him on this and make a clear post about it, then your word is law. Tell him he can abide by it or find another table to sit at.
Holy crap, that reward is awesome! Do you have any idea how much gold it takes to magically enchant an internet?