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These first three posts are the best thing I have read on these boards in awhile.
Go forth, Thunderlips, and show the world the might of your influence!
Cary's Anok wrote:
Maybe the stores could offer 'lay-away' plans worked out with GM's who run at those stores all the time, and the players who WANT to get a good book, to be legal, but cannot plop down $30-40 bucks in a day just to play a game.
This is a good suggestion, but not one that is necessarily right for this conversation. That's something more of a store-by-store basis, and something youd need to discuss with them specifically. Paizo cant force the retailer to offer layaway, though Id imagine some stores would do it.
As the target of the specific casting of Phantasmal Killer in question, let me break down for you how this exchange went.
Seth: I *do something*
Disregarding the fact that she is my wife, she is one of the best GMs I have ever sat under. She does not go out of her way to kill PCs. She just wants to make you work for your victory, which is something all GMs should do.
Preston Hudson wrote:
Looks like the citation from page 38 clarified the ruling for out of tier chronicles to add GM credit as well allowing for the option to apply to a brand new level one character with the gold reduced to 500 for a scenario and 1398 for a module.
Slight correction: the character does not have to be brand new. It just has to be level 1.
Michael Donley wrote:
As Sammy stated and Dylos reiterated, yes, the GM can do this. The GM can do all of the exact same things a player can with their credit now, which was updated, thankfully, with the updated Guide.
Victor Zajic wrote:
Not entirely true. You can also apply it to a level 1 character and get 3xp, 4Fame/PP, 1398gp, and the item access and boons and get all of that right away.
If you apply it to a level 1-2 character and want to wait til 3 to get the full benefits, thats fine also.
I doubt it very much. Getting into the hall on Wednesday to shop is, I think, part of the Gencon VIG program, and people pay good money for that opportunity.
Now if it was a subscription pick up or something, then who knows, but I bet they wouldnt be allowed to sell anything, though it would definitely be nice.
Yes, but thats really just a more limited version of "I cure at them in my made up gibberish language." They dont know what it means. In this case it would actually be comprehend languageable, but the chances of an NPC doing that to you are probably pretty slim.
I cant speak for anyone else, but personally, I wouldnt treat your character knowing English any different than someone who says their character made up their own language or that they are fluent in Pig Latin. Feel free to insist you speak it and run with that background if you want. The most anyone can do is look at you funny en-whay ou-yay alk-tay unny-fay. As long as it isnt providing you with any sort of mechanical benefit, just go for it. ;)
Ladies, Gentlemen, and carbon-based lifeforms of all ages,
You are invited to come join us for a weekend of fun and games at the first annual CarbonCon in Carbondale, IL!
We will be doing Pathfinder Society events all weekend long (7 slots at the con itself, plus a Slot 0 and Midnight Madness), including The Paths We Choose, Legacy of the Stonelords (2014 Gencon special), Bonekeep 3, and more!
Already played the new Gencon scenarios? That's fine, we are also doing the first eight levels of the Emerald Spire superdungeon through the convention. Want a convenient chance to play the other eight? Theyll be run at the first annual Cape Game Con (in Cape Giarardeau, MO) in October! That's right, you'll be able to take a character from level 1 to 13, through all 16 levels of Emerald Spire, in just two weekends of gaming (weekends are NOT back to back)!
Dont want to play PFS all weekend? That's fine, we have lots of other events going on as well, like:
-A cosplay contest (with possible cash prize)
Special Guests and/or Vendors include:
There will be a silent auction running through most of the convention. Bring in items you would like to have auctioned off. $2 entry per item, which will be donated to The Fallen Heroes Fund. You take home the final price of the item.
We will also be doing a canned food drive for the Good Samaritan Food Pantry. Bring in donations to receive tickets for a special raffle!
Interested in getting into the convention for free? Sign up to GM at least 3 events, and get a free weekend pass! (Please let me know you wish to GM, so that I can clear you) But hurry, most of the PFS slots are already filled!
And while you are signing up, dont forget to prepay for your convention T-shirt! S-XL for only $15. 2XL-$20, 3XL-$25
There will be tons of fun and loads of prizes to be had, so make sure to come join us! You can sign up for events* on Warhorn.
Sign up for the Slot 0 and Midnight Madness games for PFS is at this site.
***Slot 0 and Midnight madness games do not count towards the GM 3 to get in free.***
I hope to see you all there!
Do you mean you planned to run a 5-9 and instead had to do a 1-5? Cause otherwise Im confused on what this could mean, sticking within the PFS rules.
Im sorry if this comes off abrasively, as I dont intend it to. Im just confused.
So your current options for gaming are:
And you choose the first? Im sorry, I just dont understand how someone who has been into this scene for 40ish years would rather not play at all instead of playing in a campaign where your options are nearly limitless.
I've learned exponentially more gming than ive ever did playing.
This. This. A thousand times this.
Anytime I have players ask how they can become better at the game, my response is:
If you want to become a better player, GM.
Sitting on only one side of the screen means you miss half the experience!
Edit: And I forgot to say thank you for stepping up, and congrats!
I think this is a fantastic idea, but I would like to make one request.
If you are going to help with Stonelords since you have the PaizoCon/PaizConUK version now, and wont bother updating it with the Gencon version, dont bother doing it at all.
I say this as a GM who ended up using incorrect stats for monsters in last years special, because whoever made the document didnt update it. This surely sounds like Im complaining about the quality of free stuff, but when neveryone is supposed to be playing the same thing, YES, it does matter.
That said, despite that I am only running one scenario during the whole con, and it isnt one of those listed above, I appreciate all the help people give by doing this.
You might be best off deciding if the tourney is supposed to be a free for all or team matches or 1v1 or whatever first.
Also, you seem to have wandered into the Pathfinder Society Organized Play section of the boards. Youd likely get better answers by posting your question someplace else. :)
Good luck with the game!
Edit: Nevermind, youve got a star, you are probably aware of where you are posting. :P
Your 6 options are correct, and just use your best judgement for counting encounters, keeping in mind, that roleplaying encounters are encounters, too.
When in doubt, ask somsone you trust. :)
One more thing to keep in mind is that a PC only gets the gold for the encounters they do as well, so if the run away from the final encounter, they get no gold for it.
I believe Mike has gone on record stating that a GM character doesnt have to be created til you are actually going to play it, and until then chronicles (including race and the one being mentioned here) can be applied or removed as necessary.
I dont have a link though, and I could be wrong. But Im pretty sure.
Since Babau's come up a lot thanks to Season 5, an amusing way to help keep them from killing you (as quickly) if you cant get rid of the Darkness is to put up an Obscuring Mist or similar spell.
It doesnt help you kill them any faster, but since you have 20% concealment when they are adjacent, they cant Sneak Attack you. :)
Hmmm, I seem to have misread that rule.
Not to be an evil GM or anything, but the RAW on this is stupid. :(
The Fox wrote:
I most certainly did not say that.
I said it needs to already BE an aasimar or a tiefling, and that it needs to have agt least 1xp dated prior to August 14th. Aside from that, I dont care where the exp came from.
Now if Mike and John rule it has to be player credit, I'll abide by it until I can get them to change their mind.
It's ambiguous, because it doesn't mention level 1 rebuilds at all, which are a legal part of the campaign. Not does it mention GM credit or pregen credit characters that haven't been played as their own PC yet.
It doesnt need to mention any of those things. Not mentioning it means there is no special circumstance for it, so you apply the rules as normal. Credit can be used to make a character using any legal stuff you want, as long as you own the source material. Simple.
If someone GMs on August 1, puts the credit on a new PC number, and writes up the character sheet as a tiefling on August 10, but doesn't actually play that character for the first time until August 20, is that a legal tiefling?
Perfectly legal, because the character was created before August 14th.
If it is, then why wouldn't it be if the same exact thing if they first put the character stats (including race) down on paper on August 15? How would anyone know the difference? More important, why should anyone care?
Because as of August 14th, it is no longer legal. Unless that person tells anyone, no, noone is likely to know the difference and many wont care. If the person can live with themselves for not following the rules of the game, then so be it. Cheaters gonna cheat.
Unless campaign staff clarifies otherwise, when I'm GMing, I'll just assume that any character with 1 xp before August 14 is legal to be an aasimar or tiefling. Needing to know or care when and how it became that race just seems like an unnecessary complication, which is why I'm hoping that's how Paizo will tell us to handle it.
And that's your perogative.
Unconscious people would immediately begin to drown. That aside, it is a good use for the spell that I had not considered before.
This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.
Mike and John did not make the SLA ruling, that was the rules team. The goal for PFS is to change as few things about RAW as possible. Since the rules team made the SLA ruling, PFS has abided by it.
And no official reason has been given (publicly) for why the Aasimar and Tiefling are getting banned, but they were a problem long before the SLA rule change.
Would you want to get blamed for something at work that someone in another department did? Cause thats what you are doing here.
Selter Sago de'Morcaine PFS wrote:
The PRD only covers the hardcover books. If you want a really good site for searching for PFS-legal stuff, look at Achives of Nethys. The Open Road symbol next to something means its legal. And the person running it keeps it pretty up to date.
To quote the Blog post itself, specifically, "The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign."
The blog post says in very plain English that the character must be an aasimar or tiefling prior to the cut-off date.
Can you please explain how this is so confusing? Cause all it is sounding like to me is that you disagree with how its being worded, so you are declaring it 'too vague to tell' until we get an answer from Mike or John. That isnt likely to happen, IMO, and you may end up hurting yourself and others in the long run cause the first official answer you will likely get is Guide 6.0, which will probably come out only a week or so before Gencon.
Im not trying to keep anyone from playing those races. If youve got a level 1 now that you think you might at some point want to be an aasimar or tiefling, then 'start' the rebuild now. Like I said earlier, a character sheet that has the name, race, and PFS number on it is likely good enough for me, as long as you do that before the cut off date.
How will I know if you did? I wont. Thats the purpose of the honor system. Unless you try to rebuild it in front of me, or dont have a chronicle dated before August 14, I'll let you play it. :)
The notion is coming from a desire to make sure the person didnt change after the cut off, which is reasonable.In the case of how the blog was worded, though, I agree that it is unnecessary.
If Mike and John were goign to require that kind of thing, they could have just as easily made the cap 4xp, to make sure the character is locked in on its race.
They didnt do it, and unless the Guide says something else about it indicating that IS going to be the case, no other restriction should be put on the player. If they say it was an aasimar or tiefling before the date and have at least 1xp chronicle dated before the date, you should take their word for it. That's how the honor system works.
Chris Mortika wrote:
That seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I dont know if that is how Mike or John are going to work it into the Guide. :/
The Fox wrote:
You may want to print that post out, though, so you have it handy if questioned. :)
Yes, you should be fine, though TOZ' suggestion might not be a bad one.
If nothing else, I would definitely have something written down onto the character sheet, though how much it takes to qualify as having 'made' the character is likely a table variance issue, unfortunately.
Personally, Id be fine as long as you had the race, character name, and number on it. Others might want the whole thing fleshed out. :/