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Captain Zimri wrote:
Alternatively, in Pathfinder, if a PC were to attempt the exact same strategy, what is there to give besides a bonus, the amount of which you need to determine on the spot? How would you calculate a bonus or penalty in such situations?
I don't know if this was carried over into the Pathfinder rulebook, but in D&D 3e there was a guideline of giving characters a +2 or -2 modifier to a roll if the GM wasn't certain what value to give for a situational modifier.
Attempting to distill the opening post to its thesis sentence:
Neal Litherland wrote:
In short, I feel that too often we, as players, forget that having PC levels doesn't give our characters legitimate authority in the game world.
It's long been a trope in adventure fiction that the hero takes on what the local authorities can't, or won't. It's no surprise that we want to bring that into our adventure games. [I'm also currently binge-watching Arrow, so it's on my mind.]
I'm starting to think RP are a bad method of measuring races, honestly, but I'm not sure.
You are far from alone in that belief.
Some 3PP construct races you may not have looked at:
I have no opinion on how powerful or suitable they may be. I'm sure I missed some.
If one wishes to combine Psionics Expanded and Psionics Expanded Work in Progress, it goes up to 271 points. Between that and potentially ignoring paper minis, you may add Kobold Quarterly 20 (51 points), Bullet Points: 12 Alternatives for the Fighter's Bravery Class Feature (49 points), and Bullet Points: 7 Sinful Feats of Lust (49 points). There are four other products in the 45-47 point range: Houserule Handbooks-Spell Points, The Midgard Campaign Setting, the Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Feats, and 15 Specific Weapons, Volume 3. Don't ask me why volumes 1 and 2 didn't do as well as volume 3.
The first two (or three?) Psionics Expanded parts came out this year, too, and got a few points (not included above). I think Way of the Wicked got through book 5 this year, but only 2 got on the top 10 list.
Top 10 Publishers of 2012:
If one wishes to remove Pathfinder Paper Minis from contention, add Jon Brazer Enterprises (50 points) to the list.
This is the year Open Design changed their name to Kobold Press. There was about a month gap between the last OD product and the first KP product; part of the name change? Little Red Goblin Games owes many of its points to its Legendary Levels books. Again, even less dominance by SGG; more publishers are getting more points, it seems. I can't remember if I've heard from Headless Hydra or Abandoned Arts recently.
I'm saving updating the all-time lists for when I'm done with 2013 and 2014.
Men & Magic wrote:
And thus is history made.
Now incorporating 2011, and all of 2016 so far:
Top 10 Products of All Time:
If one wishes to disregard the paper minis, add Undefeatable 1: Wizards & Sorcerers (108 points) and Book of the River Nations: Complete Player's Reference for Kingdom Building (106 points). The Genius Guide to the Godling, Kobold Quarterly 9, and Making Craft Work all clock in at 105 points.
Top 10 Publishers of All Time:
If one wishes to combine Super Genius Games, Rogue Genius Games, and Otherworld Creations, then SGG gets a total of 3359 points. Combining them, and/or ignoring Pathfinder Paper Minis and Big Finish Productions, would lead to adding on Expeditious Retreat Press (333 points), Purple Duck Games (301 points), and Jon Brazer Enterprises (251 points).
If one wishes to combine Tome of Horrors Complete and Tome of Horrors Complete: Unlimited Edition, then it jumps into 2nd place, at 164 points. Psionics Unleashed opened the year big, owned the top spot for three months, stayed in the top half through May, dwindled away for a couple of months, then came back and brought Psionics Expanded with it.
Top 10 Publishers of 2011:
If one wishes to disregard Pathfinder Paper Minis, add TPK Games (28 points) to the list. Louis Porter Jr. Design just misses out (27 points). Super Genius Games isn't as dominant as they were the previous year; other publishers got in the top 10 more often. Legendary Games shows up this year, in late October. It's the first year for TPK Games, too, in late December.
If one group is running an adventure using triple-gestalt mythic egregiously-overpowered-feats, and another is using core Pathfinder with spellcasting replaced by Spheres of Power, and both groups are having fun, does the power difference matter?
I think you added up your favored terrain bonuses incorrectly. Each time you gain a new favored terrain you can select any ONE favored terrain to increase by an additional +2. You don't get +2 to all of them.
That, um, was part of my cunning plan to get people to post in my thread.
The Favored Terrain bonuses should all be +6, except water and all others stay at +4 and +2 respectively. [Every time a new favored terrain is added, add +2 to the previously-gained terrain.]
Compared to what? It's not like the song it's based on is strict on its meter and rhythm.
[Edit: Link added for those mythical folk who might not actually know what song I'm talking about.]
Well, I thought it was fun. Maybe this will be better:
SONG OF THE HORIZON WALKER
I was totin' my pack along the dusty Lamasara road,
I've been to:
I've been to:
I've been to:
I've been to:
(I've been everywhere)
I had some free time today, so 2011 data has now been sent off. Just from a rough review of the data as I was pulling it together, two things I don't see changing are the number 1 product and the number 1 publisher(s). But we'll see if my assumptions are borne out.
This will take me a while to get to.
Marc Radle wrote:
I'm still trying to decide what to combine, and what not to combine. Should Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress be combined? What about things like The Book of Heroic Races Compendium and the individual releases that combines? [At least, I think there were individual releases.] What about Strange Magic and its contents, which I think have had three or four different versions? And I'm still not sure exactly what to do about OWC/SGG/RGG.
I'm looking for suggestions. And I'm strongly leaning towards combining Open Design and Kobold Quarterly. I have to figure out how to do it cleanly without damaging the integrity of the data.
In the previous Top 10 Products of All Time list, I accidentally conflated One on One Adventures (283 points) and Spheres of Power (243 points). Since you are all keeping detailed records of this, please insert One on One Adventures into 2nd place, and change Spheres of Power's total to 243 points. Thank you.
Here are the current running totals with 2010 added in:
Top 10 Products of All Time:
Despite the enormous success of OtherWorld/Super Genius, none of their products made it on the top 10 list. It was the large number of products that continually showed up on the list that scored big for them. The only new product is a set of paper minis. If one ignores paper minis, the list changes a bit: add Path of War Expanded-Work in Progress (109 points), Undefeatable 1: Wizards & Sorcerers (108), and Genius Guide to the Godling (105). Aha! There's a genius guide! If Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded-Work in Progress are added together, they end up with 148 points, and jump up, barely, to 6th place.
Top 10 Publishers of All Time:
Yes, OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, individually, beat out our previous first-place publisher, just considering the year 2010. If one wishes to lump together OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, and/or ingore Pathfinder Paper Minis and/or Big Finish Productions, add on Expeditious Retreat Press (283 points), Purple Duck Games (213 points), and Rogue Genius ... wait. And Fire Mountain Games (174 points), and add 213 more points to the OWC/SGG/RGG conglomerate. [It's over 2000!] Adding together Open Design and Kobold Press gives them 844 points, and moves OD/KP to 4th place.
The number of points each title is getting is lower than in 2009, despite 2009 not being a whole year. There were 83 distinct products listed in 2009, and 99 in 2010. There were 95 in 2015 (the only other year I have complete data for as of now).
One might also surmise that the Advanced Player's Guide came out in 2010.
Considering the titles we have going on up there, guess who's going to be on the Top 10 publisher's list?
Top 10 Publishers of 2010:
Did you guess correctly? Yes, indeed, the #1 and #2 spots are taken by OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, for essentially the same product catalog. There's a significant drop between #2 and #3, a drop between #3 and #4, and a precipitous fall from #4 to #5. Many, many weeks were mostly OtherWorld/Super Genius, with a few Open Design, and an occasional guest appearance by one of our other contestants.
If one wishes to lump OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games together, and/or ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis, add Dreamscarred Press (28 points) and Louis Porter Jr. Design (21 points) to the list. Yes, Dreamscarred Press' Psionics Unleashed was ... unleashed ... in 2010. But, it only came on the list in the middle of December.
GM Rednal wrote:
*Imagines a group of magical girls who were empowered by Pharasma, and act as vigilantes within the city to keep the undead down*
One doesn't actually need to be a Magical Child Vigilante to play a magical girl ... and your description closely matches a character idea I have.
Distant Scholar wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Open Design is Kobold Press. The company simply stopped going by Open Design and is now know as Kobold Press.
Purple Duck Games wrote:
4 Winds Fantasy Gaming was purchased by Purple Duck Games.
Otherworld Creations was the parent company of Super Genius Games. Ask Owen Stephens for further clarification. Oh, which also means that most of the Super Genius Games products are now under Rogue Genius Games.
Dang it; I was hoping Owen would chime in on OtherWorld Creations first. I missed the hat trick.
The :-) was there to indicate that I actually knew what happened to the old companies. Thanks to y'all for spelling it out, though; there are probably folks here who didn't know.
Top 10 Products of 2015:
If one wishes to ignore the Pathfinder Legends series, add In the Company of Gelatinous Cubes (50 points) to the list. If that one was free, and you wish to ignore free products, add Everyman Unchained: Monk Archetypes (47 points) to the list.
Looks like this was the year for Spheres of Power. It's had success in 2016, but not as much as in 2015.
Top 10 Publishers of 2015:
If one wishes to ignore Big Finish Productions, add Ascension Games (61 points) to the list.
Since I don't have complete information for 2014, I haven't compiled a list for that year yet.
Here's what things look like in 2016:
Hooray for Kineticists! Hooray for One on One Adventures! Hooray for the Trickster! Hooray for assorted Dreamscarred Press projects! If one wishes to lump Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress together, it goes up to 45 points, and swaps places with #5.
Top 10 Publishers of 2016 (so far):
Well, would you look at that #1 finisher. Rogue Genius is mostly Talented Witch, I think. Rite is probably In the Company of Dragons. And, as always, Expeditious Retreat Press is all about the One on One Adventures. Goodman Games came from their GM Gems early in the year.
And now, for the current running totals, with 2009 added in:
Top 10 Products of All Time:
An interesting mix of old and new. If one wishes to combine Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress, Path of War Expanded jumps to 6th place (148 points). If one wishes to ignore the paper minis, add Kobold Quarterly 9 (105 points) and Path of War (98 points) to the list.
Top 10 Publishers of All Time:
If one wishes to ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis and Big Finish Productions, add Fire Mountain Games (174 points) to the list. I also feel compelled to point out that Kobold Press has 162 points.
A new set of lists!
I've compiled the data up to the 16 April 2016 (today!) "This Week in Paizo" e-mail. I also have the 2009 data that has been sent to me by Sethvir (thank you!). I've made changes in how the spreadsheet has been set up, so that it doesn't take so long to re-calculate everything. The original link should take you to the new spreadsheet, but I'll put a link to the spreadsheet here anyway.
I've also categorized things by year, so there will be more lists. I won't be repeating the yearly lists once the year is complete. They're aren't being presented chronologically, so read carefully!
Here are the new lists, starting with a blast from the (recent) past:
People sure liked their paper minis. If you don't, and want to ignore the game aids (minis/terrain/character sheet), add to the list Undefeatable 2: Clerics (68 points), Kobold Quarterly 10 (55 points), Undefeatable 4: Barbarians (41 points), Undefeatable 5: Fighters (35 points), Hungry Little Monsters [d20] (34 points), Curse of the Moon [d20] (33 points), and Darkness without Form: Secrets of the Mimic (32 points). I skipped over 2 more game aids on the way down.
A special note: Pathfinder RPG products didn't start showing up until late August; that may be one reason for the popularity of the game aids. Also, the lists started in April, so 2009 isn't a whole year.
I never saw an Undefeatable 10: Rogues for 2009; maybe it came out in 2010? If not, Louis Porter Jr. Design has some work to do...
Top 10 Publishers of 2009:
If one wishes to ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis and WorldWorksGames (Pathfinder Terrain), add Radiance House (37 points) and The Shining Jewel (19 points) to the list. Expeditious Retreat Press then just misses the list with 18 points for One on One Adventures, still on the lists today!
Adamant Entertainment is on there for their Fell Beasts series. And once for Tome of Secrets, although that's listed under Cubicle 7 Entertainment the rest of the times. Radiance House is on their for their d20 Pact Magic stuff. I understand that they've done (or are working on?) the Pathfinder version.
Open Design, OtherWorld Creations, 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming ... I wonder whatever happened to those old companies? :-)
For me, the tricky/annoying ones are the name collisions/near-collisions.
Name collisions are almost unavoidable, but I seem to find a lot more of them in Golarion than in Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms.
I've been trying to keep track, mentally, of how many projects and products Dreamscarred Press is in the middle of designing and developing. I gave up, and decided to make a list instead.
Which ones am I missing?
First question: I'd imagine no maneuver is allowed in a grapple unless the maneuver specifically states it is allowed. Or, maybe, if the discipline uses weapons that can be used in a grapple, and the character is using such a weapon, those maneuvers can be used in a grapple. That last one probably isn't RAW.
Second question: By RAW, that looks correct; using Pride Movement would keep the character from getting bonus damage on a charge. It probably wouldn't break anything if you houseruled otherwise.
The sad thing is that most people don't realize that, if you argue in bad faith, your not actually arguing at all and essentially handing the argument to the opponent.
If one is making an emotional appeal, rather than an intellectual argument, arguing in bad faith might give one the emotional edge. Many (most?) people these days respond more favorably to an emotional argument than an intellectual one, which I think is unfortunate.
If one can argue on an emotional level, but force one's opponent to argue on an intellectual level, so much the better (apparently).
At least, if the end is to achieve something through discourse, then it serves both parties to argue in good faith.
Unless the end that one is trying to achieve is social dominance over the other party, or some other goal that isn't directly about the topic of discussion. Some people do that, which I think is also unfortunate.
Of course, these are debate tactics, and not good rules for an actual, constructive discussion.
Isaac J wrote:
4- The cursed needs to drain all the blood from an adult elf/human/semielf/semiorc, two adults gnome/halfling or two youngs from any of the mentioned breed once a day or they will take 1d3 temporal Constitution damage. 1 Cons Point/day will be restored as far as the cursed maintains its daily blood intake.
If the cursed person wants to go anywhere away from a city for any length of time, s/he'll have to take a herd of victims with him/her. This could cause all kinds of trouble. Whether it will break your game or not, I could not say.
It's also very evil, but I'm guessing you don't have a problem with that.
The Dungeon Master's Guild (used to be D&D Classics) has at least some of the PDFs for sale; $5 each.
DM Shade wrote:
@Distant Scholar: Basically the idea is this: An invisible character can still be hit, right? If thrown at with a bag of flour (or if a bag of flour is dropped nearby), some of the flour would stick on the invisible character and reveal his location.
But objects carried or worn by an invisible person are still invisible, aren't they? As long as they aren't glowing?
Edit: Found this under the invisibility special ability:
If an invisible character picks up a visible object, the object remains visible. An invisible creature can pick up a small visible item and hide it on his person (tucked in a pocket or behind a cloak) and render it effectively invisible. One could coat an invisible object with flour to at least keep track of its position (until the flour falls off or blows away).
I guess the question comes down to how well one can "coat" an invisible resisting creature with flour.