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Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber; GameMastery Superscriber)

Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Sometimes people post things that are remarkably revealing about their attitudes and biases without realizing how revealing it is. This is a good case in point. In creating the ridiculous untrue straw man of the 3.5 fan here, you've done an excellent job in revealing your own depth of arrogance, condescension and smugness. Thanks for letting us know how you really feel about people you disagree with. Not that I hadn't figured it out already, but this should open other folks' eyes.

"...the ridiculous untrue straw man of the 3.5 fan..."

What straw man?
I've met them, in person, trying to wreck the sales of 4E at my local store. Threatening and belittling anyone going near the 4E display. Trying to put my FLGS out of business for the 'insult' of carrying 4E.

These people exist. They exist on this forum. They exist on this thread.

And you're making a large assumption, that I'm not a 3.5/PF fan myself.
Check my tags. I was a subscriber to PF, before PF existed.
I don't play 4E, I've no vested interest in defending it, except for the fact that I have a vested interest in the gaming hobby as a whole.
Whatever causes a schism in the gaming community is bad for the whole community.
So when I see people telling lies about the history of the industry, or 'things you can't do in 4E' (and many things said are lies, since they are easily verifiable as untrue, even by a person who doesn't play 4E), or when I see someone working very hard to justify taking offence at a neutral discussion of mechanics, when I see someone condemning WotC for daring to change the perfect 3.5 ruleset, while simultaneously praising Paizo for changing the same subsystems for the same reasons, then I will call BS on it.

And you've still to answer my previous question.

In what way did Lisa, Ryan, Mike or other Paizo employees who were WotC employees at the time of the TSR takeover screw you over?
If you consider WotC to be inherently untrustworthy, due to what you consider the underhanded actions of those in place in the early-to-mid 90s (your words, not mine), then why are you here?

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber; GameMastery Superscriber)

Scott Betts wrote:
The only reason their marketing campaign is considered half as harmful as it actually is is because the gaming community has way too many people who are unable to tell the difference.
noretoc wrote:
Drop the drama Scott. Also stop trying to make things more that what people are saying. Lastly don't tell me I can't tell the difference between trying to get me to buy the new stuff cause the ,last stuff was bad or just telling me "maybe we can make it better". I don't like being insulted by WoTC or you.

If ever we needed evidence, that some people are incapable of telling the difference between a statement of fact, and an insult, here it is. You just proved his point. Well done.

Let's run with that suggestion; let's have a hypothetical conversation between the company and the over-entitled fan.

Designer: "The new edition will be so much better!"

Fan: "How will it be better?"

Designer: "...umm...I can't tell you."

Fan: "What do you mean? Why can't you tell me?"

Designer: "...I'm not allowed to discuss it."

Fan: "Why not? I want to know. I DEMAND to KNOW!"

Designer: "Our PR dept has told us that some players are too prone to self-identifying with their edition of choice, to make themselves feel like a complete human being, rather than having a healthy sense of self-worth, so it's best if we avoid any mention of specific mechanics."

Fan: "That's ridiculous! I'm an adult! I can discuss something as abstract as game mechanics in an objective, calm and reasonable manner. I demand you tell me what changes you're making to the game!"

Designer: "You're sure you're fine with this?"

Fan: "Of course I am! Do I look like a child? I'm a grown man, with a PhD, and 20 years experience playing D&D. I'm perfectly capable of weighing up potential rules changes."

Designer: "Okay...well...over the last eight years, one of the most common complaints, whether by post, or email, or via the forums, was the grapple rules. Many people found them difficult to understand or didn't cover certain situations well...."

Fan: "WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! MAKE HIM STOP! BWAAAAAHHH! HE'S CALLING ME STUPID! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! GO AWAY! YOUR GAME STINKS! BWAAAAHHHH!! I WANT MY MUUUUUMY!"

Designer: "Sheesh! What is wrong with these people?"

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber; GameMastery Superscriber)

Werecorpse wrote:
But isn't the failure of the marketers to foresee that interpretation a pretty obvious failure.

My toothpaste tells me it's a new, improved formula.

My washing powder tells me it washes whiter than ever.

The sauce in my cupboard tells me it tastes better than ever.

My reaction to reading this, is to go "Hmm, we'll see."

What I don't do, is hurl myself to the floor, beat my fists on the ground till they're bloodied stumps, wail like a banshee, soil myself, start an internet trolling campaign to ruin distributor orders, stand by the till loudly berating the product to wreck retail sales, force my local shops to close, demonise the producers of my toothpaste/washing powder/sauce, insult the inegrity of shoppers who use that toothpaste/washing powder/sauce, make up lies about what was said to me, then demand recompense for being 'insulted'.
And carry that grudge, burning away in my gut as a football-sized ulcer, for the next four years.

If you were to witness someone behaving that way, what adjectives would you use to describe them?

Would you ever predict that a person could behave that way?

Paizo Employee (PostMonster General)

Removed some posts. Wishing doom on anybody, even if you disagree with their decisions, is being a jerk.


I note that ShinHakkaider's frothing attack on Scott Betts has had seven people so far flag it as a favorite. Is this the level to which Paizo has sunk? Even if you don't like Scott's posts on 4e, a personal attack on the man is in your favorites? I'm disgusted that the people on this site have sunk to this.



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