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I don't see how having hard alignment restrictions removes nuance in games. Sure the Cleric of Asmodeus has Lawful Evil on his sheet but that doesn't mean that his character can't have complicated reasons for why he follows Asmodeus. Furthermore, the Cleric may not see his actions or deity as Evil whatsoever.

Maybe he believes that the only way to create an ordered society is by enslaving the unworthy or ensuring that the masses don't have a say in anything. Yeah, that seems pretty Evil to us and likely the party of heroes trying to take him down but that doesn't mean he has to be a BWAHAHA villain. The nuance can still be expressed even through his arguments for why he sees the slavery of others as Good. The players can ultimately call him out on his b~*!!&&%, but that still doesn't mean that the character doesn't have nuance in sense of having character motivations that go beyond just being an a+&~&#+ who worships a bigger a~$~&@~.


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I miss reincarnate.


I don't see Goblins being Neutral Evil psychos makes them unplayable and undeserving of being in Core. Not all campaigns are Good-aligned or even take place in Golarion.

Just because they're in the book doesn't mean you have to use them. Besides, I think having an "Evil" race in Core will help out tables that just want to play murderhobos. They deserve attention too after all.


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Seems to me that taking away Goblins murderous attitudes waters them down to point that there largely no different from Halflings or Gnomes when it comes to their wackiness.

Why take that away? Let them stay psychotic pyromaniacs. It might not work for some tables, but I think you still have them in Core while still retaining most of their original flavor without pulling a "Well, some tribes are Good or friendly" retcon.


Being evil is easy. Just be selfish. All evil is selfishness anyway, so do whatever benefits your character and don't give a damn who it affects others. Just try not to screw over your party.


Why couldn't this story be told as a sequel to the DS9 series? I'm just wondering because it seems to be me that they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by putting the show in the future than the past.


Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Any word on Rose's trial in the next film?
I think it got leaked that she'll get a stiff chewing out by the higher ups and demoted to janitor but she'll still have plenty of important side jobs to do because the brass likes her. Then she and Finn will combine their janitorial knowledge of the First Order and the Resistance to save the Republic.

Can't we just write her out of the story entirely? I think Star Wars can only handle so many characters and Rose is one to many.

This new trilogy should be about Rey, Finn, Kylo and maybe Poe. That's it. We don't need three different storylines and multiple arcs occurring all at once.


Creon Vizcarra wrote:
Milozilla wrote:
The phrase "players drag a once-grand nation kicking and screaming into the modern day" kinda worries me. I really hope it doesn't have too many modern day political influences. Really kills the immersion when people bring that stuff into the game. But hopefully it just turns out to be What Jade Reagent should have been and have alternate routes for those that don't necessarily want to be the new monarchs Lapdogs.
Modern day in Avistan apparently means hereditary monarchies where no monarchs are married or have any legitimate (or even known) children. I'm serious; every monarch in the Inner Sea is single and has no known children, except for Stavian, which is kind of immersion breaking for me because of how dangerous that is for such a type of government. There was a reason Henry VIII went through six wives and it wasn't just a wandering eye.

Does that logic even still apply in a universe where people can be constantly resurrected from death and have their lifespan lengthened considerably?

Why bother fathering/mothering a bunch of brats to continue the dynasty when I can just live forever as an Immortal God-King/Queen.

Death is poor people after all.


MannyGoblin wrote:
Well since men have been kissing,hugging,groping women for so long in movies, turn about is fair play.

Not really. It was horrible and gross when dudes thought they could get away with (looking at you Han) and its horrible when woman try to get away with it. We should break the cycle because there is no such thing as fair play when it comes to this.


Anyone else kind of creeped out out that Rose kissed Finn without his permission or nonverbal consent?


Just watched the film again with my brother and I got to admit I liked it a lot more. Well, actually I just loced everything with Rey and Ren a lot more. I idea that Rey wanted to redeem Ren not only because she felt it was necessary but also because she was on some level attracted to him really added a lot more dimension (and sexuality) to the story. That said, I give even less of a s%@+ about Poe, Finn and Rose's stories. They really feel like distractions from a much better story and the themes in them are cookie cutter and obvious. But, hey, Daisy Ridley's "your breaking my heart face" was still awesome.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
I actually really appreciated that rey's parents where nobodies all the endless speculation about it irritated the tar out of me.

I like that Rey's parent were nobodies but I really don't see how that twist is all that worthy of praise. Rey still is essentially a magical chosen one with abilities that only a small amount of people have and if Snoke is to believed she's has been chosen by the Light to bring down the Dark of the First Order.

The Star Wars story is still about metahumans with magic swords empowered by an all-powerful Force being at the center of an intergalactic conflict. Sure Finn, Rose and Poe are around but the narrative of the Last Jedi marginalizes them compared to all the Force users.

Really, if the sequel wanted to really change things Rey wouldn't be a Force user at all and would kick Kylo Ren's just using a blaster like a normal person.


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Black Dougal wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:

Daisey Riddley and Adam Driver trained pretty extensively in sword fighting (well, movie sword fighting).

This is pretty cool ...

Thanks for that Marc.

I thought the Throne room scene was the best action sequence of the movie. I think I would have enjoyed it more if I wasn't still annoyed that they just killed off Snoke in a predictable manner (it was easy to anticipate when you are told there are twists in the movie).

Isn't that a microcosm of the problem of the whole film? Twists that actually aren't twists but predictable 180s. Rey parents are no nobodies instead of someone important. Snoke isn't the main villain instead its Kylo Ren. Luke doesn't really train Rey to be a Jedi instead she's supposed to chart her own path or something. Kylo Ren isn't redeemed but instead takes over the First Order.

Did those twists really surprise anyone? I guess they did. Honestly, going into this film I just assumed that the plot would either play things straight or just do the opposite and thats what happened.

Sort of wish they did something really shocking and had Rey join the First Order or something. Wouldn't make a lot of sense but it would be interesting.


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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Delightful wrote:

Um...

Can we talk about Star Wars again?

That was fun.

Was it though?

I was for me and others I assume.

If it wasn't for you, you could always just leave and go to another forum where you can a happier time.


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Um...

Can we talk about Star Wars again?

That was fun.


Bill Dunn wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:

As I said before the entire keep Poe out of the loop part of the plan wasent great but the really condesending way she talks to Poe in there first encounter is probably what made it really bad. I mean its one thing not to tell the loose canon the plan quite another when you do it in a way thats gonna make him storm off half cocked.

In any military in the world, that would be Poe's problem to deal with and his responsibility, not Admiral Holdo's. I understand the willingness to give him the benefit of being a hero protagonist, but the point of the story is to break down Poe's loose cannoning by presenting him with the consequences of his insubordination so that he can rebuild himself as a better and more mindful leader.

Agreed. That arc has a lot of potential. I just wish they executed it better.

The more I think about it the more this movie reminds me of Batman v Superman. It's nowhere near as bad as B v S but it has the same problem of having a lot of interesting themes and ideas, but ultimately bad execution.


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Zhangar wrote:


I imagine the actress did the best she could with a bad role, but she got a bad role.

Laura Dern is a great actor and probably would have made Holdo a fan favorite if her character wasn't badly written.

I hate to say this yet again, but I really think its a shame that they killed her just so Poe can a leader. She could have been a replacement for Leia and the next film as the strong female leader of the Resistance with Poe as her right-hand man.

But no she gets fridged. It's made even worst by the fact that I think Holdo is supposed to be a lesbian in the books.


Skeld wrote:
Sadly, I think this thread has become useless as an avenue for discussion.

Why? Because people are arguing with each and not agreeing all the time.

That's still a discussion.


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I think if Admiral Holdo had instead been played by Admiral Ackbar everyone would have just got on board and been “what a strategic genius”. But because Vice Admiral Amelyn Holdo is new to the audience, feminine and doesn’t acquiesce to the handsome flyboy nerds everywhere feel the need to pick apart her plan and sacrifice.

I dunno. Holdo only looks bad back because the script demands that she make convoluted decisions and sacrifices because Poe needs to learn a lesson about leadership. Really won't matter if it's her or Ackbar.

Than again, I might have been less frustrated if was Ackbar because at least than a female character won't be fridged for a male character's development.


I like Kylo Ren's line of "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

That to me embodies what the sequel trilogy seems to be trying to do but constantly getting cold feet over and going back to well. Repeating iconic scenes and themes from the originals except with some minor "twists".


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My God, when Leia was floating like that I seriously thought I was hallucinating. I had to quickly scan the rest of the audience just to make sure they were seeing what I was.


I think spoilers are unnecessary now Kirth Gersen.


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Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Delightful wrote:

Does anyone think the film would have been more interesting or exciting if the New Republic was still around on some level and the battle between the First Order and the Resistance was a bit more evenly matched?

I don't like the prequels but they at least managed to convince me that an intergalactic war was going on.

The whole resource-starved underdogs vs all powerful empire is starting to get stale in my opinion.

I'd heartily approve for one. I honestly liked the premise that TFA implied with the First Order being a bunch of insane clowns in the space boonies who had exactly one Star Destroyer and Starkiller Base as the sum total of their big assets (also explaining why they had to invest in shields for their TIES since they can't do the old Imperial TIE Swarm on account of manpower issues).

For all TLJ's talk about killing the past, the movie ended up with the exact same core premise as the original trilogy which is beyond lazy.

That's basically the fundamental problem of the sequel trilogy. They have good characters but premises and plots that are stale.


Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Delightful wrote:


I really do wish that the First Order actually suffered consequences from their mothership getting destroyed and their leader killed, but instead they just keep moving on to kill our heroes as if nothing ever happened.

Starkiller Base getting destroyed. Doesn't matter.
The supership that destroyed the original rebel base getting blown up itself. Doesn't matter.
The Supremacy getting blown up? Doesn't really matter except for the tracker getting destroyed, but I guess they can always build another one.

The First Order really needs a nerf.

Don't forget the timescale of all this. In between TFA ending and TLJ starting (which is basically a few hours at best), The First Order has conquered the Republic off-screen, located the secret base of the Resistance, mobilized a Star Destroyer battlegroup, and effortlessly mopped them up. Also their R&D department has designed and produced better Star Destroyers, AT-ATs, TIEs, and a better Death Star. Also they gained the power to just write out the Republic's standing navy (that or the Republic scrapped every ship that the Resistance didn't steal for some reason).

Honestly, if I was some random citizen, I'd just shrug my shoulders and declare that the Dark Side and galactic facism just works. I mean geez, at some point you need to just realize that evil gets results and good is dumb.

This is a quote from someone talking about the political landscape of Star Wars being chaotic to say the least.

"The title “Star Wars” is no lie. Someone born during the Separatist Crisis would be in their sixties by the time of Hosnian Prime’s destruction. In his life, he would have seen the fall of three galactic governments, and the total decapitation of two by outside hostiles. The Star Wars galaxy has political stability comparable with the Middle East."


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Does anyone think the film would have been more interesting or exciting if the New Republic was still around on some level and the battle between the First Order and the Resistance was a bit more evenly matched?

I don't like the prequels but they at least managed to convince me that an intergalactic war was going on.

The whole resource-starved underdogs vs all powerful empire is starting to get stale in my opinion.


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Rysky wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Rysky wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:


So the problem with Finns attempted sacrifice was that he wasn't saving Rey? Everyone else in the cave can just get slaughtered?
Dafuq?

*backfoot headscratch*

Finn loves Rey. She's kind of his sole motivation for.. well. Everything since escaping the first order.

If you die to protect what you love, that's okay.

So if Finn died to protect Rey, that would have been alright, but dying to protect everyone in the cave (or at least buy more time for help to arrive) isn't the right thing to do because....?

He wasn’t dying to protect Rey though, he was dying to hopefully buy the Resistance some time... which his death wouldn’t have done.

But doesn't that sound exactly like what Holdo did?

I really do wish that the First Order actually suffered consequences from their mothership getting destroyed and their leader killed, but instead they just keep moving on to kill our heroes as if nothing ever happened.

Starkiller Base getting destroyed. Doesn't matter.
The supership that destroyed the original rebel base getting blown up itself. Doesn't matter.
The Supremacy getting blown up? Doesn't really matter except for the tracker getting destroyed, but I guess they can always build another one.

The First Order really needs a nerf.


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Isn't there not being an autopilot or a droid capable of piloting the ship just a contrivance of the plot, so that Holdo can nobly die (read: get fridged for the sake of a male character's arc) and Poe can get the mantle of leadership?

When I think about it that way everything kind of makes sense. Poe needs to become the leader of the Resistance by the end of this film, and thus Holdo must die regardless of the narrative hammering in that noble sacrifices are dumb and that strong, experienced leaders are needed.


Rysky wrote:
Delightful wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Rysky wrote:
She’s part of the Resistance, she sacrificed herself to save what was left of it. She’s a hero.

A dead hero. Which is exactly what the Resistance doesn't need at the present time (see also Leia's comments about losing all their bombers and a fair chunk of their interceptors to the Dread).

Her nobly going down with the ship is romantic and heroic I guess, but it's also dumb and counter to the big picture of what the Resistance needs. And it's not like you can say this is just nerds being overly critical and armchair admiraling. The movie said more or less the same thing at the start of the movie.

At the start when the Reistance didn’t number in a single dozen and a half. At the end the Resistance needs people, period.

Holdo sacrificing herself wasn’t a choice between leader and hero, it was a choice to save as many of the Resistance as she could. A dead hero vs a leader with nothing but dead heroes.

So Rose is an idiot and Finn should have tried to save what little of the Resistance was left by sacrificing himself. Ok...
I honestly have no idea how you got that from anything I wrote.

Oh, sorry about that. I misread your comment. Just edited with last comment with more explanation and I think a better reading if what your talking about.


Rysky wrote:
Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Rysky wrote:
She’s part of the Resistance, she sacrificed herself to save what was left of it. She’s a hero.

A dead hero. Which is exactly what the Resistance doesn't need at the present time (see also Leia's comments about losing all their bombers and a fair chunk of their interceptors to the Dread).

Her nobly going down with the ship is romantic and heroic I guess, but it's also dumb and counter to the big picture of what the Resistance needs. And it's not like you can say this is just nerds being overly critical and armchair admiraling. The movie said more or less the same thing at the start of the movie.

At the start when the Reistance didn’t number in a single dozen and a half. At the end the Resistance needs people, period.

Holdo sacrificing herself wasn’t a choice between leader and hero, it was a choice to save as many of the Resistance as she could. A dead hero vs a leader with nothing but dead heroes.

So Rose is an idiot and Finn should have tried to save what little of the Resistance was left by sacrificing himself. Ok...

I get that the numbers changed at some point but themes need to be consistent, right? You can't just say that sacrificing yourself is bad than say it's fine under these circumstances but later on say it's bad again. It's gives the audience mixed messages and is hampered by the fact that the First Order doesn't seem to actual suffer that much when heroic sacrifices are made in almost any situation.

I hope that made sense to you Rysky. I don't want this discussion to go toxic.


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Rysky wrote:

“Protecting what you love” is the point.

That’s what Holdo did. Finn just wasn’t going to accomplish that if he did sacrifice himself.

Finn was trying to protect the Resistance, a group that had grown to love. Sure he hated the First Order too but those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive, right?

Also, Holdo's sacrifice was just as useless as Finn's probably would have been. Even with the Supremacy gone, the overpowered First Order still has a bunch of landwalkers and a Death Star cannon. Her death barely made a difference. Just like those bombers barely made a difference at the beginning. Holdo should have stayed with the Resistance and been a leader that kept the spirit of the Resistance alive with her decades of experience and wisdom.


Rysky wrote:
She’s part of the Resistance, she sacrificed herself to save what was left of it. She’s a hero.

Didn't Leia say that the Resistance is already full of heroes but really needs leaders like Holdo?


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Rysky wrote:
“Well I’m in charge and important and this is a suicide mission so I need someone who I think is less important to sacrifice themselves in my place” said no one with a soul ever.

I thought the whole point of Holdo was that heroic sacrifices are dumb and that people like her need to stay alive for the Resistance?

Instead she sacrifices herself which is something that Rose was angry about Finn almost doing. Kind of thematic whiplash. The message of staying alive to fight another day would have been stronger if Holdo actually stayed alive and let some kind of autopilot destroy the Supremacy.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Delightful wrote:
Can't we dislike Poe and Holdo both for withholding information from each other?

Sure. I absolutely agree that Holdo shouldn't have left a hotshot sitting around with nothing to do but come up with bad ideas. Maybe she should have told him the plan, and set him on getting the transports ready.

But would "Poe helps the Resistance quietly slip away and hide from the First Order" been a meaningful story to tell alongside Rey and Luke meeting and working out a master/student relationship? I mean, Finn would have been about just as useless as he was in the actual film, so no change there?

Honestly as much as I like Finn and Poe, the Last Jedi would have been a better film if their stories (diversions really) were completely cut and more time was given to Rey's training.


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Can't we dislike Poe and Holdo both for withholding information from each other?


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Wasn't the whole point of Rogue One not blindly following the orders of your superiors, because if you do you're do better than a soulless stormtrooper.


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Rysky wrote:

Not sharing information with a talkative hothead when you think have a mole about is not dumb.

And the whole point of the base was to wait for them to pass by then leave/wit for help, not make it the new command center. There’s sill the Republic out there, they just didn’t bother sending any help when the resistance sent out calls. They probably think they can negotiate with the First Order.

My problem isn't Holdo motivations for withholding that information. It's the fact the entire conflict could be solved if either Poe or Holdo just talked to one another openly. I hate idiot plots like that because they make both characters in the situation incredibly annoying, and sure, I get that's supposed to Poe's arc but couldn't there have been another way to have him grow up that doesn't involve the characters acting like children that refuse to share a secret.

I know that the base was supposed to be a temporary for the Resistance, but Holdo's plan to get them was bound to get a bunch of people killed despite the hacker revealing to the First Order their plan, because they would have still have been shoot at in defenseless transports when they left the command ship. And any survivors would have still been put under siege by the First Order which has a bunch of weapons to destroy that base. Now of course, Holdo didn't know about the mini Death Star cannon to be fair, but her plan is still terrible. Honestly, I think I would have been ok with the entire plot if Poe straight up told Holdo about the tracker, and Holdo straight up told Poe about the crappy plan. If he goes mutineer because he thinks the plan is terrible and his find a hacker in Canto Bint scheme is better than I think the mutiny would have been palatable for me. At least then Holdo doesn't look useless and Poe's mutiny is less defensible.

Why? Why would the New Republic remnants think that the genocidal Space Nazis can be negotiated with? You're just guessing their motivations because the film doesn't give us an answer. If the plot explained the entire New Republic fleetyards were destroyed by Starkiller base than fine that's a reasonable explanation, if still shooty, but they don't even do that. The First Order just suddenly starts taking over the galaxy, with nobody but the Resistance responding. Why are the politics and military logistics of these films so irrelevant?

I should probably stop thinking about these kinds of things shouldn't I? Star Wars isn't A Song of Ice and Fire where the politics of the setting actually matter. Everything is character-focused to the point that plot and setting only exists to serve the characters arc, regardless of whether it actually makes sense. I think that I just have to learn to be fine with that.


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

The whole point is that it’s not about Skywalkers. Ren is the villain, the torch has been passed to Rey.

The Rebellion has never been in as dire straits as the Resistance is when the movie ends.

And Holdo’s plan was damn solid, at least until Poe messed it up by not communicating with his superiors in the first place.

I seriously hope the Starwalker destiny thing is finally put to rest by this film if nothing else. Kind of disappointed that neither Kylo or Rey lost an arm though.

To be honest, I really didn't feel much for the Resistance's dire straits because I felt them losing throughout the film and the New Republic getting basically written out of the story, to be lame and completely unearned. The galaxy is a big place and you'd think that a galactic government would have a mass military force at its disposal. Then again, if it did the Resistance wouldn't be as important, so of course that gets ignored so our heroes can take center-stage.

Holdo's plan wasn't solid at all and was doomed to failure. Regardless of Poe's dumb mutiny, which only happened because her dumb refusal to share information, their base on the salt planet was going to be cracked up by the First Order's mini Darth Star laser. The Resistance was basically doomed without ghost Luke showing up at the nick of time.

The Last Jedi has great characters, besides the hacker and Captain Disappointment of course, but the plot just fails everyone who doesn't have force powers.


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Isn't kind of weird that in a story all about metaphorically and literally killing the past, that story is fundamentally once again a conflict centered around an evil empire taking over the universe and bunch of plucky rebels trying to stop them?

I was fine with it in TFA when I thought that the conflict with the First Order was going to be reversal of the original trilogy, with the First Order being underdog terrorists and the Republic being the empire that gets outsmarted constantly, but instead the entire Republic is just gone and the First Order has literally taken over the entire galaxy in a matter of hours after blowing up Hosian Prime.

It really does seem that the new trilogy is overacting to people's boredom with the Senate politics in the prequels and have just completely removed any kind of political context and exposition to help us understand why an entire galactic Republic can just get one-shotted.
Like seriously, besides the Resistance does the Republic have any armed forces? Get that our heroes and the Resistance need to take center-stage but this all seems like ridiculous overkill.


I dunno, Moffat had his issues but I thought he was fine. At worst I think he was to sappy at times and treated Doctor Who more like a folk tale than a sci-fi series.

And yeah, I think he had a problem with writing female characters sometimes. I guy clearly had an archetype he liked and kept going back to that same well. Kind of got boring after awhile.


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Greylurker wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Link is behind a firewall (403 Forbidden). I cannot see it.
I think the firewall's on your end. IAC, you should consider yourself lucky. Tony Stark would never wear a costume like that.

which was exactly my point

however in hindsight I was so focused on finding a picture that backed up my point I failed to give proper consideration on how appropriate it might be for this forum. That was my bad and I appologize for it. I flagged the post myself and asked it be removed.

originally I was looking for a screen shot from an old anime called Project A-Ko. There is a character in that who is basically a spoof of Tony and at one point steals his daughter's bikini battle suit armor.. The picture I found was just sort of "Close enough" after a frustrating amount of time not finding the one I was looking for.

Oh my god I freaking love that anime. Tony Stark's insane daughter fighting someone whose highly implied to be Superman and Wonder Woman's daughter in an attempt to win the love of an idiot blonde highschool girl, is just stupid enough to go completely overboard and become awesome.

Seriously, why can't Marvel and DC make Project A-Ko their big crossover movie? I need it in my life.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:

Because a trenchcoat is still relevant and not corny.

Also......top hats don't survive action shots.......ever.

And after putting Wonder Woman in a battle skirt, fishnets and panties would be an uproar no studio wants at this point.

Yes, because a swamp man isn't corny and is still totally culturally relevant. Also, I think Constantine the loner private detective who smokes all the time wearing a trenchcoat is as corny and cheesy as it gets. But that's fine for me because superheroes films shouldn't be afraid to be corny, and well, comic booky.

Anyways, I honestly just wished she at least kept the stage magician tuxedo.

The hat getting lost when the action happens is fine by me, but I would have liked to seen her wear it during the talky bits. And I'm fine with losing the fishnets actually.


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I dunno. The whole perky goth mage look has been used so much these days that Zatanna's original costume doesn't seem cliched anymore.

I mean, I'd maybe drop the pantyhose and give her pants, but the vaudeville stage magician is really cool and distinct if you ask me, and losing it while Constantine gets to keep his noir trenchcoat just seems wrong.


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Yes.

You are alone.

I'm so sorry.


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Are we seriously discussing physics and military tactics in a Star Wars film?

I think that's a rather dark and madness inducing road, my friends.

Best to avoid it entirely and just enjoy the nonsensical space battles for what they are, if you ask me.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

I have no cross over today.

I do have to wonder why they keep using Mother boxes for resurrecting people.

Maybe some writers really want to return to the womb and see that as a form of transformative rebirth?


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Cuup wrote:
** spoiler omitted **...

Bravo. Bravo, good sir!

That was probably best character idea I've seen on these forums in years. Give yourself a good pat on the back!


I think the book's worst crime is that they're somewhat bloated and sometimes take extended tangents to reach a point, Arianne's Queenmaker plot and Brienne's hunt for Sansa being the biggest examples.

That said, even at their worst the books aren't stupid and flippant and I'll take bloated and long tangents over the Reach getting curb-stomped out of nowhere and the ridiculous Winterfell plot.


Nate Z wrote:
All I know is that the Red Raven better darn well be one of the iconics for this one! :P

I guess is that the Red Raven, Alain, Kess, and Lem will be in this one.


Mark Moreland wrote:
Nope. They get micro stat blocks (ie. we list their alignment and class levels) but not full stats. Those appear in the War for the Crown AP, however, where both NPCs make prominent appearances.

Thanks for the info, Mr. Moreland!

Think you could spoil what classes and alignments they have? Pretty please.


Is Princess Eutropia or her dad statted in here?

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