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Taku Ooka Nin wrote:
Plus, if this was heavily exploitable how long do you think you would live if your GM was heavily opposed to it being possible?
Indeed, but the main issue with something like this - had it been viable - would be Pathfinder Society, in which GMs are bound by RAW and unable to customize scenarios.
And there's always the risk that further books will contains something which will change this argument in favor of spell batteries, and *boom*, there it is.
That's an interesting distinction, but no.
Stone Call and Ice Spears cause damage directly through the spell effect; something like Create Pit causes a fall, but the fallcauses incidental damage, not the spell.
Similarly, a Dazing Telekinesis will not allow us to toss someone in the air, only to suffer a dazing impact upon landfall - the spell causes the fall, and the fall causes the damage.
I never really thought about it, but it's a subtle distinction - good question!
(Basic semantic distinction between cause (directly) and cause (indirectly) - the former is required for Dazing... otherwise you could cast a Dazing Summon Monster, and have a Dazing Tyrannosaurus on the loose!)
I don't have the book yet, but just to clarify: even without Technologist, a PC (say, an inquisitor) could make a K: Engineering check and get the full range of identifying info, powers, and so on? (ie. not cap at 10 per untrained?)
That was one of the big complaints in an earlier thread.
It pretty much just impacts Disable Device and Linguistics, then?
Manyshot adds an arrow to the first base shot, and I'm assuming divine power rather than haste for the "haste shot", because this should be without external buffs.
Also, with keen edge, you're threatening 10% of the time, which effectively adds 1.2 "shots" (0.6 of your arrows are "trippled" to 1.8, is one way to model it)... so in essence your per-arrow damage, sans bane, is being multiplied by 7.2, not 5, which would bring *your* calculation to 360.
Pretty close to my 354.
"Your feat levels are low, your to hit is low" - I don't know what this means? If you could clarify, I'd appreciate it (possibly your confused about my two posts, but one was based on my "actual" character (15th level), and the other was elevated to 20 to compare with a theorycrafted build. Possible confusion.)
For an inquisitor? Well, assuming level 20 (even though, who plays level 20 characters?), there's the judgement of destruction (+9 with slayer), wrath (+3 morale), divine power (+6 luck), and bane (+2), so that's +20 from direct self-buffs.
He can cast GMW on his non-magical bow, making it +5. So we're at +25.
He can attack with Deadly Aim, for another +8 to damage, bringing us to +33/arrow, and I offset the attack penalty with heroism (self-buff) and attacking invisibly (greater invisilibility, a self-buff).
With a +40 Perception (+/- depending on wisdom and feats), he can plausibly be aware of enemies with enough notice to buff up for 3 rounds, enough to cast his 3 short-term buffs.
Obviously, this depends on spell selection, although it's hard to imagine an inquisitor forgoing those I've mentioned.
In any case, it can be fairly routine for an inquisitor to add +33 damage per shot, plus 4d6 from greater bane, so ~+47/arrow, not factoring in crits (doubled in frequency courtesy of keen edge, of course); at 20th level, factoring in threat probabilities, damage output is in the neighborhood of 354/round. Build does have clustered shots, of course, important given no special materials or DR-bypassing judgements in-use.
Again, this is assuming no magic items - mundane items only.
In terms of actual play, especially from 1st level, it's pretty hard to beat a ranged inquisitor for crazy damage output, and they can also do so many other things: casting spells, skill monkeys, self-buffing, and so on.
In a home game, I currently play a 15th level ranged inquisitor. We're restricted to CRB/APG only, and we're "low magic" in that we have no magic mart, and only use what we find - part of the reason I played an inquisitor was knowing of these restrictions: I wanted self-sufficiency and versatility.
Buffed up and with judgements and greater bane active, and with no magic items, he can reliably output an average of 290 damage/round (+32*/+32/+32/+27/+22; *manyshot - 1d8+24+4d6/19-20(x3))... add in magic items and the whole Pathfinder ouvre and this can rise considerably.
(If he cast greater invisibility on himself, add +2 to all of those to-hits, and make the target flat-footed for even more reliable damage output.)
Just a very versatile character with high DPS.
It's certainly the case that, traditionally - and in the US - the market for pen/paper RPGs has been heavily male/white. My comments will focus on the US.
I've gamed for 35 years, and in that time I've seen a considerable increase in female gamers, and have sat at plenty of 50/50 tables, but it's certainly an area which can be improved further. As for people of color, they are grossly underrepresented in pen/paper gaming - even here in Atlanta, which is demographically 54% black, I know three (serious) black gamers, which is almost crazily skewed.
This is interesting, because representation of minorities in online gaming is much greater - what gives?
Relevant aside: Many years ago I was a director at Borders, Inc, and served on its Diversity Board. One thing which puzzled us was why did our share of minority customers, and especially minority employees, trail US demographics? The basic answer turned out to be that we weren't building stores in minority neighborhoods: the retail marketplace reflects proximity. In the digital world, online sales would seem to obviate this, but retail placement still serves a marketing function which can drive online sales, so proximity of in-store displays, face-outs, and so on can affect the online retail environment.
Looking at Atlanta - again, a city whose greater metropolitan area is 54% black - I note that there are no game stores in predominantly black neighborhoods. I mean none - and we have about 20-odd game stores. So, there's basically no proximity marketing of pen/paper RPGs to black consumers in Atlanta. There are other sales venues, like Barnes & Noble, but again, mostly those are in "white" neighborhoods. The driver of RPG sales to black consumers (and I'm focusing on the black market share because I'm familiar with Atlanta) just isn't present.
Now, I have been the CEO of a publishing company, and I considered - being a gamer - launching a game publishing division, so I looked into the realities a bit: game publishers are uniquely at the mercy of physical outlets - game stores, book stores, conventions - to market their products. Paizo, too, is dependent on this framework of market proximity, and so its "target market", realistically, needs to reflect its market reach - and that's where game stores are, which is "white" neighborhoods.
That said, Paizo itself is pretty amazing in featuring - through its iconics - great variation in race and gender, so it's actually well-positioned to market to a very wide segment, demographically. The physical reach just isn't there.
Hence your "privileged white" GenCon environment.
(Internationally, you have plenty of demographic variety in gaming, because you have proximity to those groups in those nations - the Turks, for example, who are quite mad about gaming! If you go to Istanbul, I'm confident you will find game stores in Turkish neighborhoods...)
Mike Labny wrote:
Misfortune specifically states you must take the worse result. Do you not have the fortune hex?
That's the witch's misfortune hex.
At discussion here is the dual-cursed oracle's misfortune ability, which (oops) lacks the "take the worse" wording, thus opening a buffing exploit.
(Ninja'd because of my italics usage! :P)
Da Brain wrote:
No, you're not understanding my advice.
If you're the sort who enjoys puzzling things out, you'll enjoy them (probably).
If you're the sort who insists on doing everything via skill rolls, and you lack the technologist feat, then (probably) you won't.
It's been made pretty clear (from extensive discussion and a dev post) that these scenarios ARE solvable without "rolls", so you can presumably enjoy them.
"I poke it with a ten-foot pole"
"I put the hat on and jump up and down"
"I take a sip... do I feel anything?"
When you have a game, the content of which draws from a comprehensive set of rules and details, you have two options:
(i) Go ahead and let players bring what they have to the table, with the understanding that it might only be a subset of the whole, and this could impose asymmetrical challenges relative to what other (more "equipped") players may experience.
(ii) You require that all players have access to the entirety of the game's ouvre, possibly at considerable expense. This assures fairness, since everyone has everything.
Also, it's not as though Pathfinder has sprung, whole-cloth, into being, like Athena from Zeus' forehead - it's an evolving game. At this very moment, scenario authors are writing encounters which may be impacted by future rules of which they are unaware. Promises of future threads, surely.
So, some scenarios have been developed which are harder-than-intended, because of lack of coordination between scenario and rules development. Some (I, for one), will enjoy a bit of role-playing in lieu of roll-playing to resolve challenges; others will not, and they can't be faulted for this - it's just not their game. Fortunately, PFS has nearly 170 scenarios, not counting specials and modules, of which only three have presented players with this little surprise.
1.8% of scenarios are impacted - hardly worthy of crisis.
The path seems clear enough - run 6-01,2, and 3 with the skill restrictions posed by Technologist, and nod understandingly at players who avoid them. It might even be courteous for organizers to mention the feat in their game-day blurbs and postings, so players can better plan around them.
Kind of in line with my thinking.
Indeed, I'd like to make a character specifically for Season 6, and makes me realize that PFS would be much better if it were simply designed as a seasonal campaign designed for new characters each year (and scenarios ranging from 1-5 at the start to 7-11 at the end), so that a given character (and player) would actually sense a cohesive narrative.
Well, like a more episodic version of an AP.
But, it's not! So if I do roll a technologist, he might be inexplicably sent - on occasion - to such improbable realms as Tien, or the lands of the Mammoth Lords.
It's here. (You have to scroll down to the Ts, as the new PRD won't link directly to spells.) But by my reading, it's only useful to identify "items in your possession," not things you're fighting.
Still useful, but not in the middle of a fight (unless maybe you can grapple and pin the robot - "it's in my possession!" - and have a liberal GM!)
I still say it's a good time to dig out the old Gamma World 1st Edition "Artifact Use and Operation" charts!
Oh, that's perfect.
What level is the spell? If it's 1st level, what a handy, 2-prestige wand to have.
I was reflecting on this earlier.
I, too, kind of like the idea that you need more than just conventional knowledge to understand alien technology - indeed, I'm already planning on having my inquisitor take "Technologist" at level 7 (when she'll also ramp up her K: Engineering.)
That said, I find it unfair to send characters into a situation in which their *players* are uninformed, vis-a-vis new books with radical new rules about knowledge skills (and others).
What I may do, when I eventually run said scenarios, is have the feat "provided" to the party, perhaps in the form of a loaner ioun stone (or a couple, if needed) which grants "Technologist" (akin to stones granting such feats as "Alertness", for power comparison.) I can certainly imagine a small group of hithertoo-unknown Warehouse 13 style scholars in the Pathfinder Society who have been crafting arcane means to penetrate this alien knowledge barrier. That way, I kind of "require" the feat without an expectation of retraining at the table (which is hardly reasonable).
Another approach - less generous - is simply to allow a "temporary" and minor rebuild, allowing the players to swap out an existing feat for Technologist. Suspension of disbelief for purposes of playability. Kind of metagamy (okay, very), but it "works".
They're confined to Numeria - I'd say they're rare, yes. DC (15+CR)
I'd consider a unique creature rare as well. I'd probably just call it 15 + CR, but just not give away very unique things (like class levels or whatever - I'm not familiar with 6-02 so I can't consider specifics.)
It's important not to be too harsh about DCs, because some character mechanics depend on at least knowing the type or subtype (like inquisitors, for example), and there's no cause for penalizing them unduly.
Andreas Forster wrote:
just fyi, there's a table in "Blood of Fiends" with lots of examples for cosmetic features, and translucent skin is among them. So of course that's ok. You shouldn't describe what the visible organs look like in detail, though, especially not if there are minors at the table. You never know if they are grossed out by gory descriptions ;)
In my experience, adults are much more likely to be disturbed by gore than minors are, who usually find it awesome! :P
I kind of hated the idea of season 6, but now that I'm pondering character builds to deal with robots, I'm getting kind of excited by the prospect.
THAT SAID, I'd prefer it were a mini-campaign within PFS. I'm not that keen, for example, on laser pistol-wielding PCs in, say, The Worldwound. Just have season 6 be all about Numeria, and you roll a character at the start to play through the whole season.
Indeed, from a standpoint of narrative cohesion, I'd love to see PFS 2.0, whenever it comes to pass (I suppose with the release of Pathfinder 2.0), unfold as a series of annual mini-campaigns. That would give one a much clearer idea of story arc, as well as the feel of participation in said arc (versus the current model of a PC who plays a Year one one day, a Year 3 the next, then maybe Silent Tide (hey, I missed that one!), and then off to Numeria. Or whatever.
Have a cycle of retiring Season N while you launch Season N+2, so you're always running two overlapping, but out-of-phase, campaigns. With enough players (which I think there are, now), it could work.
Until then... pew! pew!
I'll throw in with Acedio.
I'm sure this can be added to, but I think it covers the basics.
The Fox wrote:
If so, malfunction becomes a far less useful spell.
"Okay, the robots are confused, and locked on each other! Everyone stand down, and let them duke it out."
*10 rounds later, as the spell winds down*
"Okay, the robots, after 10 rounds of pitched laser duel, and done... 8 damage to each other? Huh."
I think the idea of planetouched races is that there's a demon, devil, angel etc. in the bloodline a few generations removed, rather than as an actual parent - I mean, it's plane touched.
Actual devil/demon/angel parentage is where you get half-fiends and half-celestials, a whole other kettle of fish!
That said, I am partial to the whole "Rosemary's Baby" origin story for a tiefling.
As for being a skeletal being with a translucent skin and musculature - and a full on "Slim Goodbody" display of internal organs - I'm all for it if the player's willing! You're not reskinning something which has an open descriptive.
I would hope the player would be okay with me, as a GM, playing to the appearance - I mean, that's definitely coming with some baggage! (aka "roleplaying implications"). Just because there's no "mechanical effect" doesn't mean there's no effect on mechanics (like circumstance bonuses to diplomacy or intimidation, which I'd happily apply as a GM!)
As a player, I'd go a step further like having tracings of infernal runes on the bones, maybe listing the character's infernal lineage, or having subtle agonized faces - the remnants of damned souls ("devil DNA") - occasionally manifesting themselves on an expanding lung or pulsating heart. Those energy resistances must come from somewhere.
A walking anatomy lesson, you could (as a player) buy a Pathfinder Chronicle (K:Planes) and "lend" it to other characters by saying they can "read" planar lore in your revealed anatomy. (Okay, that's reskinning, but I'd go for it as a GM - I'm such a scofflaw!)
Here's the thing - the gamers who attend cons are not drawn from some wealthy, privileged class of people with an ease of leisure to attend conventions: they generally make quite an effort to attend them, saving money, arranging vacation time, and so on. Typically, this planning begins a year in advance, necessary to book a reasonably proximal room.
They are either taking their families along, OR they are vacationing independent of their families - each day of con attendance is one less day to travel elsewhere. GenCon or the beach? Origins or Paris? It's tricky.
In other words, convention attendees make sacrifices to go.
Anyone can do it. When people complain about not being able to attend cons - usually in the form of complaints about convention boons - they're really just saying "I'm unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary for con attendance, but I want the stuff from there."
I, myself, don't attend cons. I spent this past weekend in Paris, attending a wedding there. In consequence, I have no star recharges and no android. That's fine - I don't really deserve them, having not bothered to arrange my situation in favor of GenCon.
Flip this around, and look at things from the con-goer's viewpoint: "Hey, I spent thousands of dollars (a significant chunk of annual income, since gamers tend to be below-median in income) and spent my vacation time coming here, rooming with 4 other guys, not sleeping, to get this rare boon. Yay!... wait, why does that guy have one?"
If you really want boon, attend a convention. Anyone can.
I can't see any reason to punish players for being engaged in the scenario and using creative solutions.
I always reward players for creativity. In your example, yes, I'd give them the 10gp (it would just be added to the BBEG's treasure).
Obviously, you can't edit the chronicle sheet, and you should adhere to the PFSGtOP, and you need to respect the players' comfort level with "outside the box GMing", but you are *still* a GM.
True, but bear in mind that the Ring of Wizardry types I to IV predate Pathfinder.
Most of the magic items in Pathfinder are legacies of a previous game, so they don't necessarily reflect mechanics peculiar to Pathfinder.
An actual conduit to the elemental plane of electricity (or wherever electricity elementals come from); essentially, the "electricity version" of a decanter of endless water. Pricing could be identical. You could have a variation on this in the form of a cell which can be attuned to the plane of electricity, in homage to Tesla's notion of broadcast power - mages could vie for control of a power cell via opposed spell craft checks, reminiscent of a "magical hacking duel".
A magical battery with inexhaustible power; I'd buy one!
Another option would be to create a passage (a la Ring Gates) between the sun and Golarion, using the tremendous heat to generate power via turbines - kind of "direct solar power".
I think it's the same reason there are no wands above 4th - you start getting into an area in which being able to throw a ton of spells at a certain level might be a problem.
For example, you could use a Ring of Wizardry V to prep a bunch of quickened true strikes - pretty strong!
I'd definitely get one for my sorcerer (lvl 18), just to double the number of times she can cast telekinesis, on of the stronger spells in the game. Obviously, the rings of wizardry are especially strong for sorcerers.
I'd love it as a player, and dislike it as a GM, which is my metric for "overpowered". That said, it's not particularly overpowered - I just know that in the hands of certain players, it could be nasty. Likewise with wands or 5th level and above spells.
Mostly it's an arbitrary division, though.
Well then, you're "stuck" with the trait (which is reasonable since it reflects your origins and background). Fortunately, if you want some *new* traits there's a feat for that, so you could retrain out of a feat for that, or take it upon a gained level.
Yes, I could have phrased it better - the base level. Which in almost all cases IS higher level, so I'd hardly characterize the answer as "completely wrong". The key point to remember is that when you see that the cleric version is 2nd level, and the paladin version is 1st... you still have to spring for the cleric version (150gp versus 25gp, in the case of, say, lesser restoration) Likewise, wands, which is financially significant in the case of 1st vs. 2nd level spells.
Remember that in PFS, you have to buy scrolls of the highest-level version of a given spell, so you can't buy scrolls of paladin versions to get a lower level (and cheaper) scroll.
Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:
No, you don't get a free trait change with a faction change; you'd need to actually retrain the trait per Ultimate Campaign.
Make Whole - repairing broken magic items.
Shrink Item - off-days are a good time to shrink some big things (like boulders, logs, long poles, or whatever) which could have applications later. Shrinking a boat could be handy if you don't want to spring for a Folding or Swan Boat. A small bounder can be reduced to a fine pebble, perfect for inserting into a keyhole so that it busts the lock when you dispel the shrinkage! So many uses.
Planar Binding/Planar Ally - off-days are a good time to bind servitors or make longer-term arrangements with allies. You can start with this at 9th level (for "lesser" spells).
Wall of Stone and Stone Shape - good time to work on your stronghold! Or to create a safe house in the area you're currently working (a place you'll know for teleportation needs).
Simulacrum and Clone - make functional and/or inert copies of yourself as needed. Store your clones in the above stronghold.
Create Demiplane (inc. lesser/greater) - for higher levels, THIS is your stronghold (if made permanent.)
Legend Lore - find details about your next adventure; this can take days or weeks to cast.
So many combos, too. A high-level wizard can polymorph into an Earth Elemental, earthglide a few thousand feet into the core of a mountain, Stone Shape a chamber there, create a demiplane with its entrance there, ward it against divinations, and then teleport or glide back out - he now has a very, very safe place where he can teleport (or greater teleport) himself and/or his party if needed, a place the enemy will be unable to trace or scry. A very productive pre-adventure day! He can shrink some choice boulders while he's at it. While he's doing that, the druid can Control Weather, and Commune with Nature, while the cleric casts a Hallow in the secret chamber, binding some defensive spells to it, after which he casts some divinations or Communes with his deity to gain insight into the dangers the next day will bring (making it easier to select spells the next day).
Just one example!
Well, of course, they're both phoenixes. The overall presentation is similar, kind of a "phoenix rising", but that's a common phoenix motif.
The Paizo phoenix is asymmetrical, and the bird's "body" is rotated about 15 degree clockwise (so the left "wingtip" rises higher).
The tattoo site version features a bilaterally-symmetrical body (down to every flame), and the orientation is "straight", with a vertical axis of symmetry.
Could the Paizo bird be inspired by the tattoo bird? Yes. A more likely scenario is that both the Paizo and tattoo birds are inspired by some older, more classic design (which I haven't time to look into, so I admit this is conjecture on my part.)
If you Google "phoenix", though, and review "Images", you will see many similar phoenix designs, such as this one from a psychology research group:
Verdict: "stolen" is quite a stretch!
Per "Spellcasting Services" from the Guide (pg. 24): Sometimes awful things happen to adventurers. After an all-night romp through the sewers, your wounds might start to fester with some foul disease—you might even die. You may have spells cast on your character, subtracting the gold piece cost from your total. If your gold is insufficient, the other players around the table may chip in to get you back on your feet, but they cannot be compelled to do so. It is their choice whether or not they aid you.
It seems reasonable the the VoP character could participate in this charitable act (which is really more a "player favor" than a "character favor") before divesting himself of the rest of his funds.
(I just used overinflated diction - "fractional shares" - because I couldn't call to mind "chipped in"!)
Kenneth Fisher wrote:
They could not donate all their treasure, no - per the "we're all friends" clause in PFS, they'd be able to donate the same fractional share arising from dividing the costs among the table, and THEN the balance would go to charity.
It's certainly one way to avoid dealing with item purchase sheets! :P
I've just read a lot of other posts that seem to suggest mental spells stayed with the wizard while body-type spells would stay with the ally.
Undead anatomy is hardly mental - it's a transmutation (polymorph). I can't imagine any argument that a transmutation would stick "travel" with the spirit.
Maybe something like mind blank (a "spiritual" abjuration) or heroism (an enchantment), but not a polymorph effect.
I think you're misunderstanding me.
Rewinding, you'll see that I had the succubus use K(local) to be aware that Pathfinders often slot a clear spindle in their wayfinders to block domination.
The party ranger's wayfinder was in evidence - it was the one of two wayfinders being used as light sources - so she tasked her babau to target it with dispel magic. She subsequently dominated the ranger.
I - as a GM - did not know that the character had a clear spindle slotted; I was dispelling "blind" myself. But of course, he did (it's a high probability in PFS), so it worked, both for the succubus and for me. I never review character sheets prior to play, because I run on an honor system.
To repeat: the succubus knew that Pathfinders often slot wayfinders thus, not that this specific Pathfinder does so.
I would say that a sufficiently-high K(local) could reveal specific information about specific people, but we're looking at well-above 15+CR. I'd call equipment as maybe 25-30 + CR, easily (per my Violetta example).
Things K(local) could reveal about Pathfinders: common equipment they tend to use, where the Grand Lodge is, where other known lodges are, names of key venture captains (pretty tough, that one), what their basic purview is, the fact that they secured certain high-profile items, and so on. I'd probably consider the identities of The Decemvirate as "impossible", or at least crazily high (after all, the information might be *somewhere*, like in the Library of the Lion).