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XxAnthraxusxX wrote:

Laughable attempt. O you miss your Ferrari? Take this Ford Escort and put a carbon fiber hood on it, add some fuzzy dice and voila..your Ferrari. So not useful.

I agree. "Make a two-weapon ranger, and call him a monk." just doesn't cut it. If he gets the same powers as a two-weapon ranger, he is a two-weapon ranger, not a monk. What PP is he supposed to take? None of them really fit a monk. The same can be said for the barbarian, druid, and bard.

I think in this case, they're figuring that someone who really wants to play a monk, and can't wait for the official class to be published, probably knows that the "R" in "RPG" stands for "roleplaying" and will let the mechanics slide a bit in order to play the character they want to play. I would agree that for a newbie it would be potentially more difficult.

I went back to a FLGS I used to frequent. Hadn't been there in about a year. No Ptolus-version Queen of Lies. But I did find a print version of Night of Dissolution. I kind of agonized over getting it, cause I do have the pdf (and in general I'm a cheap bastard - aside from obsessively buying D&D stuff). I ended up getting it since I really prefer to have hard copies, and also a little bit of feeling sorry for the FLGS - I've been doing most of my buying online from Paizo and Chapters this past year. Hey, I also picked up their last copy of Red Hand of Doom specifically cause of James Jacob's name on it. Hope he gets a royalty.

That FLGS is almost entirely out of 3.5 stuff, main product line is WH with a few other products like Munchkins, Exalted, and the 4.0 books. One of the few 3.5 products left is the Ptolus Player Guides 5 pack. That I was able to resist getting.

Hey! I saw him! I ...?

Darn! Where'd he go?

There are 2 editions of it out. I got the 1st edition to mine for ideas but never used it as a setting. Overall, I thought it was a valuable resource - a lot of really good fluff you could insert into a nonMidnight campaign. I'm not sure what the major changes were with the second edition.

You might want to check out Darkness Falls - kind of a d20SRD for Midnight (ie. open parts with no fluff) to pick up a bit of the flavour.

At first glance, this suggestion might seem a little sedate, but after lots of flashy, noisy games centered around ponies or Dora etc., I recently bought a "traditional" game thats quite a hit with my 7 yr old daughter - Othello. Sometimes getting back to basics with your kids can be fun.

My dots are blue, but I'm colour-blind so they look black.

Pathfinder RPG: Footprint Edition

Mike, anyone who can instantly recognize an uncredited, oblique reference to an old Scooby Doo episode is darn cool in my view. You'll be missed. Good luck to you.

Ok, I've noticed that you follow Razz around and seem to answer every, single, regenerating (TROLL!), post Razz makes on 4e.

I have to ask, how are you behaving any different than he does? I mean, I know that his posts are inflammatory, especially to someone who likes 4e, but I fail to see how your post-stalking is much better. To a large degree, I think its behavior like this (both you & Razz) that contribute to the ill will between the fans of 3.5 and 4e.

The 'Ling

Check your perspective here. You're seriously trying to draw a comparison between Razz's postings and FabesMinis? Did you note that FabesMinis was posting on this thread before Razz came along? Given that Razz only posts in the 4e forum despite his well known feelings for it? If people were following him to other threads outside 4e I could understand your point, but of course he doesn't post anywhere else, does he? He's a one trick pony, and sniping at FabesMinis, who actually contributes positively to the community, is unfair.

Ive been slowly reading and comparing the two versions and it would seem that their almost identical to one another except that the Ptolus version has refrences that set it directly into the setting while the first version is pretty generic.The other minor diffrence is that The Ptolus version has been updated to 3.5 rules.

I took another look at it today and it looks like the "non-Ptolus" version you were talking about. Given that it hasn't moved in some time, I'll let it sit there a while longer and see if I can find the 3.5 version. Thanks for the info.

It does indeed take place under Ptolus. Quote from said back cover: "...far below the city of Ptolus." In fact, there are numerous Ptolus references between the front & back covers. At least the print version I own. Maybe you have a pdf version that's different?

There's been one lonely little copy sitting in a bin for the last three years in my FLGS. It's shrink wrapped so I''ve never had a chance to look through it. I could have sworn there wasn't anything about Ptolus on the back cover but i've been wrong once or twice before :)

Do you like it? Should I finally give it a home?

I've wanted to convert a couple of my favorite characters just to see what they would be like. I have no intention of running them though - rather build a new story over time.

Boy it'll be nice when we can stop talking about "WOTC this..." and "WOTC that..." again. :/

Another vote for clean, simple, and work-friendly. Petitioning for other sections? Fair enough. But priority should be store-function, messageboard-function, then "candy".

The ear fetish story reminded me of an assistant manager at a fast food burger place I worked at when I was 16. She was around 22, attractive, and had this habit of running her fingers up and down your arm as she was giving out instructions. At 16, I got turned on when a girl breathed in my direction, let alone physical contact. Not sure if that technique was in the manager's handbook, but every young male working there listened rapturously to every word she said to them.

Another ToH Pathfinder Edition for me, please. Hell, throw in 2 and 3 and make it a set.

Someone may be able to confirm this, but I thought I read that Queen of Lies took place under Ptolus. Reading the back copy on the module didn't seem to indicate any connection though. If we summon Erik Mona, he could say if it was part of the original campaign. I have seen copies of it still floating around, as well as Player's Guide and NoD.

Looks interesting, tallforadwarf. Thanks for posting it. I'll try to do more than skim and comment later.

My initial complaint... I can't read it with OSX's Preview program. Fortunately, I DO have Acrobat Professional, so I can view it there. Unfortunately, Acrobat Professional seems to take forever to load.

[threadjack]Preview can be a bit quirky for pdf's depending on the version, and you'll see threads pop up every few months about it. Quite a few Mac users here, including Vic and crew, who can help troubleshoot issues. FYI it displayed fine for me; usually I lose background graphics but don't know it.[/threadjack]

. . . there going to be a lot of boring looking books out there if anyone adopts this thing.

And the worst part is that the chance of a 4e GSL Bella Sara is practically nil. Poor Sebastian. He'll be crushed.

We put a cap on multiclassing to 3. Worked for my group 'cause they all came from 1ed and were used to that, plus nobody was a munchkin. PrC was considered to be a continuation of one of the base classes and could put your total up to 4 but base class didn't progress anymore (I think one guy had 2 base classes and 2 PrC once, figured it still fit our rules).

We found the experience point penalties pretty meaningless, cause they liked playing lower levels so slower advancement kept them in their sweet spot longer, and since most had some penalty everyone generally still advanced at the same rate.

It's very interesting that the GSL is dedicated to her. If she died, it's news to me. On the other hand, this could be a subtle message from the D&D crew at WOTC.

I assumed the poster was being sarcastic.

I think all the criticisms I have with this have been well stated by others above. Consider them repeated.

Since I'm a silver lining kind of guy the best I can make of this is that the downloadable SRD pdf has some handy lists for those who want to play 4e. And pretty clear formatting of statblocks for houserules you make up. ...That's pretty much it.

Whoo hoo.

I was thinking about that... and then we could sell the "GameMastery Brand Electron Microscope"... it would be quite expensive, but well worth it to see your name in print...

:-)

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

And it could come with cheese! Mmmm... cheese...

4th Edition for Dummies

Please note this is a LINK. It is not a slam. I repeat, a LINK.

Edit: Gah! Beaten by the Rambling Scribe (more like Speedy Scribe I'd say) :)

I'm only partway through the PHB, but i could see describing an arcane resistance for certain "mage-killer" creatures, or a "martial resistance" for certain incorporeal creatures. Like any classification system, sometimes uses become apparent after you start using them.

Holy Cow Batman!!!

I think I will buy a 2nd copy, just to throw at Bob. [he is a player at my table, and I have a hacky-sack, a light eraser, and a very heavy eraser that go his way at least once every session. He is the Worlds Champion at Bad Puns! A book this size just *might* stop the puns!]

-- david
Papa.DRB

Not only would it stop the puns, it'd likely put him in the hospital. :)

I would not be at all surprised to see a book with more than 500 pages. 600 is not wholly out of the question.

We will take extra steps to ensure that the book has a good binding.

--Erik

You know, if you're going to go that far, it's only another 70 pages or so to beat out Ptolus...

Uh, how many pounds do you think that's going to be? (thinking about the shipping costs)

I agree with Misanpilgrim. I don't want a couple of pages of screen names, and if they did, guaranteed that they would miss some and then we'd have to listen to the whining about that...

Perhaps a broad statement in the print copy, and a link to a site on the boards that lists everyone by name as a compromise. It would at least be updatable if someone raised a fuss. 'Course that's even more resources spent on website design and less on developing Golarion.

Not to threadjack, but no, not really, it wasn't a good parody.

It was a circle jerk by mostly blameless freelancers and a bunch of back-slapping douchebags at the office who thought they could do better than Gygax and subsequently ran the company into the creative and financial toilet.

It was unplayable, it was a slap in the face to the creator of the game, it was a bait-and-switch to a segment of the audience who had waited more than a decade for the REAL Castle Greyhawk, and it relied on the lowest sort of pun-based humor culled from the worst indulgences of the RPGA.

It was rubbish.

IMHO, of course. :)

There was a time when I bought anything with "Greyhawk" in the title without hesitation. I was fortunate that when "that module" came out, by the time I saw it, I had already heard warnings about it. Its sad, but after that, I didn't trust the Greyhawk label anymore because I was afraid it would just dishonor the feelings I had for the setting even more. If that hurt the sales of later Greyhawk products and then justified the abandonment of the setting, it makes that module even more of a disgrace.

It's been a long time since I looked at the original blue book that brought me into the hobby, but from what I remember, it was easy to understand, they only described the first 3 levels of each class,and you could get going with that info pretty fast. The quick start guide with Keep on the Shadowfell is rather similar. Currently, that is the only thing I would let a newbie see. There is no way I would drop the PHB for 4e on a newbie, just like I wouldn't drop 3e PHB or Pathfinder RPG alpha on them. I would love to play with all of them, though my gaming time is getting scarce.

Actually, that brings up an interesting question. Once PFRPG is finalized over the next year or two, should Paizo develop an intro kit specifically for newbies?

And get off my lawn!

d%&# kids

Methinks a sore spot has been detected. :)

Daeglin wrote:

Unfortunately, people have missed the truly horrifying part of this whole thread - Sylvestor Stallone was quoted! ~shudder~

In the spirit of gamers everywhere, I believe the following quote should be inserted in its place:

Never lose you. Never.
- James T. Kirk in "The Naked Time"

How 'bout this one instead?

A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

-Bill S.

Not bad. I was going for levity myself, but I suppose a classic is a classic. You should add it to the quotes thread.

Unfortunately, people have missed the truly horrifying part of this whole thread - Sylvestor Stallone was quoted! ~shudder~

In the spirit of gamers everywhere, I believe the following quote should be inserted in its place:

Never lose you. Never.
- James T. Kirk in "The Naked Time"

"Nothing is over, nothing. You can't just shut it off. They drew first blood, not me. They drew first blood." - Sylvester Stallone in First Blood -

and much, much more...

Oh my!

Some of the problems are pretty subtle. For example, the COCT Player's Guide pdf looked fine to me, but when I compared with my hardcopy I noticed that the background shading was restricted to the left lower quadrant of the pdf. That was actually it for that pdf, everything else was fine.

Maybe you could ask Gary to tweak up a solution for the guys at Apple.

Edit: Haven't noticed any problems with Reader

Good riddance. I feel that I can stop lurking and finally speak my mind in the Design a Wondrous Item section without fearing a stinging retort from you.

Even more Mark Twain -

"Always do right. It will gratify some while surprising others."

More Mark Twain goodness:

"I am a border-ruffian from the State of Missouri. I am a Connecticut Yankee by adoption. In me, you have Missouri morals, Connecticut culture; in the combination which makes me a perfect man."

crosswiredmind wrote:

Why is it such a bad thing to call foul when Lisa and company have been asking us to knock it off with the offensive derogatory comments for months now?

Because you're not the moderator here. The Paizo folks already have that well in hand and don't need a mini-me policing the forums for them. If they think something is outrageously out of line they already have the tools to deal with it. All you're doing is worsening the atmosphere by telling people not only what they should say but how they should say it. Leave people to say what they want about 4E, 3E or anything else. If a code of civility is so important to you then you can always lead by example without hectoring everyone else in every single thread.

Actually, Paizo has made it clear in the past that they prefer us to moderate ourselves. Prior to the existence of the 4e board, moderation was tremendously rare, and they cited the failure of peer-pressure as a disappointment and the reason for the heavier moderation.

"Screw you guys - I'm goin' home."

- Eric Cartman

Maybe they just did a shot of tequila/lemon/but left out the sugar (or some Chelaxian version of it), and that's why he's got that sour puss look going on. Or maybe its a succubus shape changed into a humanoid with feathered wings specifically to fool us loyal Paizonians into bickering about erinyes/succubi... 'cause, you know, succubi are tricky like that.

Clerics of Asmodeus give out chocolate at their services.

I suspect it had less to do with ill will and more to do with previous New York Times Bestsellers lists. :|

In regards to the first Greyhawk and Blackmoor supplements, my understanding is that their content was more in the form of rules than campaign information (GH - combat rules, paladin and thief classes, new monsters and spells; BM - monk and assassin classes, Temple of the Frog adventure) so I can see those not being counted as published campaign settings. Likewise Known World/Mystara which was compiled from adventures after the fact and then only later the prospective gazeteers.

Greyhawk clearly was the first published "complete" setting with map, countries, personages, etc as the folio in 1980 and later box set in 1983. It was followed later by The Forgotten Realms in 1987 and then Dragonlance (Leaves From the Inn of the Last Home) later in 1987. While earlier information was available in adventures and Dragon articles, these were the first actual published compilations.

Am I gonna rake WOTC over the coals about this slight to Greyhawk? Not really, I long ago gave up on TSR/WOTC to do Greyhawk justice (kudos for Paizo for the ressurection in the mags though). Greyhawk lives on in my campaign.

During the discussion, I had flashbacks to westerns and various parodies thereof...

Acrobatic skill check - hero makes a dashing leap onto his horse, lands clean, rears up in a display of majesty and gallops off to do whatever it is he needs to do.

Athletic skill check - hero propels himself at the horse, falls into the saddle (possibly bruising his "boys" depending on the flavor of your table), and spends the time till his next turn righting himself.

In my view, the skill choice depends entirely on how the player decides to roleplay the action; quite in keeping with existing rules. Definitely a rule interpretation, nothing more, nothing less.

Tornado / pop / gas / raincoat / Ant (I assume we're going with pronunciation) / sandals / not y'all or you all, more likely you guys / hot dog / meatball sub / water fountain / median or grassy median (I never thought about why we call it a median before, hmm) / not tennis shoes but running shoes

What about:

garage sale, curb sale, yard sale?

[aside] Nice to see you back Mr. Shiny [/aside]

Picked up my preorder from my FLGS. So far looks quite interesting.

True story: As my girl is picking out a Webkinz (this is a gaming store determined to be profitable), another guy meanders over to the counter-guy, says "Hi, Jerry. Anything new today?". Jerry looks at him a moment, replies carefully "Well, the 4th Edition Dungeons and Dragons set is out now." Guy says "Oh, well that's fortuitous. I'll take that."

I'll still can't decide if the guy was kidding around.

Ack! A window was left open and I guess it must have been really humid because now the pages of all my entire D&D library are wavy instead of the nice flat straight they were before... ...Does anyone know how to fix this? I'm thinking weighting the books down. I tried googling it and another suggestion was putting some already flat pieces of somewhat thick paper throughout would help make the book pages conform to it. Not sure if that's work, but I might try it.

But I'm at work now and can do nothing! So in the meantime... has anyone else had this problem? What methods have worked? I'm thinking about even ebaying a book press...

I feel your pain, brother. I hate it when that happens. I had a box of 3 books shipped to me by amazon on a wet day and they all warped. I also used to go sailing for about 6 weeks at a time every summer when I was a teenager and would take the 1ed PHB, DMG, and MM along to read over and over and over... anyway, sailing=lots of humidity=page waves to rival the size of those the boat was riding on.

Good news is 20+ years of normal humidity will return them to (essentially) normal appearance. If you aren't willing to wait that long, about 6 months of low humidity and normal bookshelf pressure has returned the newer books to reasonable status. Try the dehumidifier suggested above.

Actual water damage however seems to be irreversible. I remember reading a technique about freezing the books under pressure but have never put it in practice - I could never escape the feeling I'd end up with something worse.

Good luck!

But anyway, I'm taking my ball and playing elsewhere.

** spoiler omitted **

The people without constructive reasons for discussing 4e, or who think that 4e and PFRPG can't coexist will get tired of it within a month. For now, its probably easiest to avoid the most blatant "op-ed" threads.

And if you need a ball, just take one from those kids you're always chasing off your lawn. :)

I've come to the sobering realization that at my current speed, I'll die before i get through my "to read" pile. Doesn't stop me from adding more: never know, I might live past 115.

So far The Anubis Murders, but we'll see, i've got more in the pile.