Quote:How many castings of unseen servant do you think it takes to keep a metropolis clean? And no, you're not allowed access to the custom magic item rules. Prestidigitation can't really do anything that an untrained labourer couldn't already do, so great work there.Could easily be hundreds, which is why you'd want magic items to do it. And yes, I am allowed access to the custom magic item rules. But having hundreds of low level casters in a city resolves that issue either way. The point isn't to do things that laborers couldn't do, it's to make it so they don't have to do that and can instead focus on other things. I've repeated that several times so I feel like you haven't actually read my posts.
Yes, but there aren't hundreds of low-level wizards in a metropolis. Let's go by my (extremely generous) note earlier that 1 in 100 people is a caster. So in a given metropolis, there are 250 casters, and not all of them will be wizards. You'd be lucky if even half of them are wizards, actually, given the sheer number of other types of caster. So let's say 100 wizards. Those 100 wizards can replace 100 labourers...for 2 hours each - 200 work hours. Presuming an 8-hour workday, you have successfully added...25 people to the economy, in a city of 25 thousand.
And if you want to use magic item creation rules, then start by explaining where in Golarion the infinite wish items are, or where the bracers of mage armor went to.
I see you've skipped right past the magic school and trade guilds part and are moving the goal post to "But that would be a high level effect!!1!". I know it would be high level effect, that's why I said high level effects could create banana things. It's also why nothing I said was based on such an effect happening and it was mentioned after the fact as a bananas thing you could do with high level effects. As to why they would do that, that's a broad question that doesn't actually raise a point. Why does anyone do anything? Why does that one Wizard live on the Sun? Or are you suggesting that a high level wizard would never run a wizard school? Because there are canon numerous magic schools with mid to high level wizards running them.
The magic school and guilds being infinitely effective relies on massive sudden magical man-hours appearing out of nowhere, so there's no need to cover that when they can't appear.
Yes, there's a high-level wizard running a magic school in Golarion...as a front for an Infernal Duke. Now, I don't actually recall what Lorthact uses the Acadamae for, but what was a noted thing about that?
> Students give ten years of their life to try and become highly talented wizards. During the first three years of their studies, the students are used as cheap labor by the staff and the senior students. Two of every ten students at the Acadamae do not survive these first years, being slain by magic traps, wayward spells, or murderous imps, or simply dying from exhaustion or carelessness.
A 20% fatality rate is not great for this magical society, and this is one of the best-known and highly skilled in Golarion.
This is assuming things would progress roughly in the manor as things did with technology in our world. It doesn't come close to "optimal human condition".
Very big assumption, considering there are demons, daemons, devils and their agents, all of whom would love to take advantage of that. And that's not even counting mortals that like the status quo. You're basically assuming everyone of a significant power level or above wants to contribute to this, and nothing like the Technic League forms, for example.
And you can't assume anything in relation to magic in comparison to our world's technology, when people of a certain level or above can literally take on an army of commoners and slaughter them all handily.
Fish monsters crashed a meteorite in to it?
Yes, because they didn't like the empire growing too big for its britches. There have been things that might eventually approach what you talk about (Aroden Cheliax, Azlant, Thassilon) but it turns out that pretty much anything like that usually can't survive long enough to eventually (over millenia) become a magic utopia, and any upheaval destroys the progress that was built up.
Even Cheliax (the absurdly big government) has only even been around for about a hundred years.