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Bazinga! I believe?
You got me.
[Proceeds to move the goal posts]
Mostly, 'cuz I got sloppy and forgot to throw in the guarded qualifiers that Glenn threw in up above.
But in honor of being bazinga!-ed, I shall, lessee, evacuate the OTD threads for 48 hours. Word is bond.
Down with Sexy Putin! (Britishiznoid, but still)
Vive le Galt!
Right-wing insurgents, allied with dudes with legitimate grievances take over a good percentage of the country, kill a bunch of people, challenge local imperialist power over the region, under siege elected government calls in local imperialists.
Replace "elected government" with "military dictator" and it sounds to me a lot like France in Mali.
I don't recall many denunciations in the western press of Hollande as acting like Hitler, but maybe I missed them.
It's funny, isn't it, the way no American news journalists have ever quit over American coverage of Iraq, Afghanistan, the drone wars, etc. Putin pulls off a (so-far) bloodless invasion (unless something happened while I was asleep) and the rest of the world cries "Hitler!"
It really makes me f~%+ing sick to be an American sometimes.
Interesting. Could it be that... Gasp... Affirmative action doesn't work?
I don't know if you're aware of this over there in Sweden, but despite what you might pick up from far rightists and other Archie Bunkers, Affirmative Action has mostly been rolled back.
I'm not even sure if there are all that many AA programs in the workforce left, and they've mostly been eviscerated in public education as well.
Which isn't to say that AA was ever a good program. It kinda took the old quotas on Jews in the Tsarist Empire system, and added in a pinch of that pitting poor blacks versus poor whites that the U.S. has always done so well.
IIRC, by every measure of economic standard of living, blacks are worse off today than before the Civil Rights Movement.
Reminds me though. I once sat through a speech by my local union's vice-president in which he was complaining about our Change to Win partners (former partners? I forget) in the Service Employees International Union.
"Man, you know they don't have any democracy in the SEIU?" (He says as if it didn't take a Giuliuani lawsuit to open the Teamsters up.) "I swear, sometimes I see how these other unions operate and I'd rather be in the Soviet Union!"
"Me, too, brother" I said to myself, "Me, too."
Grey Lensman wrote:
While I wholeheartedly agree that the murderous Stalinist bureaucracy was a perversion of socialism, since the restoration of capitalism in the former USSR, the Russian (and other Eastern European countries) working class has seen its standard of living slashed. The defeat of the Soviet Union and the "death of communism" emboldenend various European capitalists to begin their assaults on their respective welfare states. It emboldened US imperialism to ride roughshod around the globe from Iraq...well, back around to Iraq again. It forced the ANC to accept IMF-dictated austerity as part of the "power-sharing" with the Randlords, forced the PLO to give up and accept bantustans, etc., etc.
In comparison, I think the decline of American unions' power is small potatos. And I'm a proud Teamster.
Baron Iveagh wrote:
And deputy prime minister, and prosecutor general. After Nuland connived to keep Svoboda and Klitschko "on the outside."
I'm sure you could. I'll match Russian atrocity photo with American atrocity photo and let's see who wins the Image Battleground.
Fabius's Translation: "They criticise the Ukrainian nationalism but not from an internationalist perspective. Rather, the argue from a Russian chauvinistic perspective."
Aussie Commie Translation: "They criticise the nationalism but not from an internationalist perspective. Rather, they counter-pose Russian chauvinism!"
Crappy Bing translation: "You [???] criticize the Ukrainian nationalism, but not from a position of internationalism out. Rather, they argue Russian chauvinistic and thus replace nationalism with another."
Leaving aside room for amateurish translation, anyone else think these two statements are opposing? 'Cuz I don't see it.
So, I've got images of American servicemen torturing Iraqis, bombing babies and killing civilians. What images you wanna bring to the Image Battleground, Citizen Spawn?
Russia: Out of Ukraine!
America: Bloody Hands Off the World!
Smash Russian and US Imperialism through Workers Revolution!
Vive le Galt!
Sloppy Bing translation in four giant blocks for later comparison.
The Ukrainians fight for a better societyIn Kiev, tens of thousands of Ukrainians the Maidan to defend against the police and risk their lives for it. The Socialist of Ilya Budraitskis was early January on the Maidan, and says: the left must become more involvedBurning barricades on the Maidan, Kiev photo: Oleg TandalovIlya you up in Moscow in the "socialist movement of Russia 's" active and went to Kiev to observe the Ukrainian movement against President Wiktor Janukowitsch. Why?Already, we have contacts with the Kiev left scene. I drove there a fortnight ago, when the situation is escalated and the demonstration laws have been adopted, which would have enabled a police state.How did the movement react?It has radicalized. There was the first massive clashes with the police and the Parliament should be stormed. The protesters have erected the famous huge barricade at the border of the Government District and there were some deaths.Had the motion hits?Yanukovych has detected that he does not continue with increased repression of the movement and then tries to bribe them with items: the President the opposition parties even offered to Prime Minister's Office.But, they had to reject because participation in the power of the condition was paired, the demonstrators to give up the streets of Kiev. They have can not convince the protesters. The leaders of the opposition parties have been booed off the stage after the negotiations with Yanukovich on the Maidan.Order a free marx21 now trialWhat impressions do you have of the movement?The people are incredibly determined. They are available for two months on the central square of Kiev, repeatedly defending him against the police, including with four-metre-high barricades. In this area, many buildings are occupied, including the official residence of the Mayor, the Central Trade Union headquarters and a large exhibition centre.Everywhere there are self-organized infrastructure like warm meals, heating facilities, medical care, information centers, procurement of warm clothing and other. The level of self-organization is impressive. All of this will not be of ordinary people on the legs, by the parties.Are the protesters frightened?Rather not. They run with helmets and sticks through the streets, and when they see a single policeman, they beat him up. Therefore, there is also no policemen are more. The Government can get it on a civil war or withdraw.What political forces are active there?There is very much political agitation and almost only by right and extreme right-wing groups. This ranges from the liberal opposition parties to the non-parliamentary, ultra-nationalist "right sector".What is the "right"?An Alliance of various ultra-right groups that build military structures. These include talbar ultra fan clubs of the football club Dynamo Kiev.As the protesters respond to the ultra right?Mostly positive. But not, because many support their ideology, but because they are the most courageous and combative literally parts of the movement objectively. No one going so aggressively against the police, such as the extreme right. Others see them as extremists who cast a bad light on the movement."Svoboda" is one of the three major opposition parties.... the strongest right-wing party in the Ukraine with 10 percent in the last elections. Her rise was possible, among other things, because the former President Wiktor Juschtschenko had set up 2010 strongly on nationalism.What does that mean?For example, Jutschtschenko said that the Ukrainian members of the SS during the second world war were the Patriots, who had fought against the domination of the Soviet Union.How please?This is only understandable if one takes into account the Ukrainian nationalism. There are about 20 statues of Stepan Bandera, the most famous leader of this corps in the Ukraine. This ultra-right interpretation of the term 'Nationalism' in the Ukraine in the political mainstream in rich. This is the basis for the success of radical rightist parties like Svoboda, who now play a major role on the Maidan.Is the movement so fascist?I think at least German left, "fascist" throwing the term around, should know a little history of fascism.What do you mean...?Fascism was created after the first world war as a counter-movement to strong Communist revolutionary workers movement in large parts of Europe. Fascists had an explicit target this work heritage,
Fascism was created after the first world war as a counter-movement to strong Communist revolutionary workers movement in large parts of Europe. Fascists had the explicit goal to crush these movements of workers and to secure the rule of capital, because the liberal State could not guarantee that. In Italy and Germany, they could seize power in other countries do not.And today...there a big labour movement, nor a fascist movement for their destruction, a Government, which is wary of the capital in the Ukraine 2014. It is about bringing the working class to power, nor about the labour movement to destroy physically.What then is it a movement?On the Maidan, people from different oppressed classes struggle: workers, unemployed, poor, self-employed, students who can find no job, and others. Their opponent is the State and the political elites. The term "fascist" is a misnomer, because the class composition of the conflicting parties is quite another.But there are fascists on the MaidanClear. The ideology of the "right sector" is clearly fascist. And they are also attempting to establish hegemony over the mass movement. But this does not succeed so far Fortunately, because the movement in the core has nothing to do with fascism.What then?I have no name for it. You from a post-Soviet society, which has been deprived of their class consciousness, and which has no tradition of protest. This movement can take very different forms and especially quickly change their character to the left like right.How is the character of the Maidan movement come about?She now has a partly anti-communist, nationalist character. For one thing, because the right groups closest to the situation were prepared. Secondly, because of the disastrous role of the Communist Party of Ukraine.She got 13 percent in the last electionsYes. And had then nothing better to do than to make regime to the important support of Yanukovich. Most Ukrainians connect "links" mainly the Communist Party.Precisely, it has approved Yanukovich anti demonstration laws in Parliament. Without those votes, they would have been rejected.How is this possible?The Communist Party is bought as Yanukovich as well by oligarchs from the Eastern Ukraine. Clearly, backing the Russian nationalism and their politicians speak openly about their good relations with Cyril I. head of the Russian Orthodox Church.What position do you have to the Maidan movement?You criticize the Ukrainian nationalism, but not from a position of internationalism out. Rather, they argue Russian chauvinistic and thus replace nationalism with another.I recommend all left-wing parties in Europe to break off contact with the Communist Party of Ukraine. Such a policy must not be tolerated.What really left Ukrainians?The left have had from the outset very different opinions of the movement. Some see them as strange, Rechtsradikales in you not should participate. Other left join and try to affect the direction of the movement.Is it hard?There are many organized right-wing radicals, who are willing to undertake something against leftists on the Maidan. Leaflets and banners were torn away left-wing activists and some were beaten.So no place for left?Yes, that is why! Of course, we must provide our physical security. But when ever that is guaranteed, we must not idly, as right-wing enforce their political hegemony.We must not leave them the movement. We must not allow that the right retain a monopoly on extra-parliamentary politics.Do you discuss with Nazis?Maybe with some. But above all, the vast majority of the demonstrators is the first politically active and now face brutal police units on the Maidan. 300,000 people took part in the biggest demonstrations in Kiev, nothing to do with right-wing extremists have the vast majority of them.Why are the ultra-nationalists in the movement so strong?Do you know when a permanently independent Ukrainian State was founded for the first time?No. Why?In 1991, with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Therefore, one can find followers so easily in the Ukraine with patriotic slogans. So think many Ukrainians as the residents of a colony, 20 years after independence: "The most important is that we are not controlled by a superpower."
But the movement is strong especially in the Western Ukraine...... because there are not only the class Division, but also an exceptionally strong geographical division of the country on economic and cultural level in the Ukraine.In the eastern half of Ukraine, have the most people as their mother tongue Russian and speak it at work or at school. Even Vitali Klitschko is a Russian native speaker. Ukrainian, he speaks with a strong accent.And in the West...... we speak mainly Ukrainian. In one of the poorest countries in Europe, significantly more people are poor and unemployed than in the Eastern industrial areas to Kharkiv and Dnjpropetrowsk in the West. Western Ukrainians migrate from the Czech Republic and Poland, because the wages are higher there than in their homeland.In addition the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate in the West. It has split off in 1991 and their priests now speak on stage on the Maidan. Whereas in the East is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, whose priests are typically available on the side of Yanukovich.What does this mean for the movement?In the West, 99 percent support the protests. People came by bus to Kiev, to live for weeks on the Maidan. They are afraid to be dominated by Russia and fight against Yanukovich, who again will make the Ukraine in their eyes a Russian colony.An unfounded fear?Not necessarily. The Russian State repeatedly attempting to make depends on Ukraine itself. For example, by he turns off the natural gas pipelines in the winter. Blame the Ukrainians who wants, that they have no confidence in Vladimir Putin?Is the alternative of the movement the EU?The motion is aimed mainly against Yanukovich's Government. The question of the EU is now secondary.It is the only tangible alternative to the orientation to Russia but of course continue. In addition, many people have the illusion that the prosperity, freedom and democracy of in the Ukraine, some EU States would bring a rapprochement with the EU.And who benefits from an approximation of Ukraine to the EU?Some oligarchs who control opposition parties, promise a good deal of it. But no problems of ordinary people were addressed in the negotiations: neither the fight against corruption, political or social reforms. It mainly concerned the access for the EU companies on the Ukrainian market.Could an Alliance soften not the economic crisis of Ukraine with the EU?The fate of our Eastern European neighbours, evidence to the contrary. In Romania and Bulgaria, for example, incomes are not increased, the prices yet. More young people need to emigrate, to work for the lowest wages in Western Europe and to be abused there as a wage lever for locals.The joy of the EU disappeared very quickly in these countries, because even though all EU citizens are formally equal, some are just more equal.Then why is the illusion in the EU so strong in the Ukraine?The trigger for the protests was that Yanukovych last year but not signed an agreement in November with the EU at the last moment. Until then, not only the opposition parties, but also the Government itself have run campaigns for the integration of Ukraine into the EU.A not signed agreement leads to the mass movement?Yanukovich had prepared no propaganda for its change of strategy. Literally overnight all government officials said the agreement was contrary to the national interests of their beloved homeland with the EU deeply, while they had declared 24 hours previously, only the agreement could preserve the Ukraine from extinction.A real PR disaster...... that was decisive for the spontaneous outburst of protest. Many people felt that the Ukraine Yanukovych leads towards EU and Putin suddenly pulls the credit card and he makes an offer that he can't refuse. Also, it has been something like...... and the opposition parties have used clever that...... because the oligarchs, of which they are controlled, to promise more profit thereof. However, it is crucial that the oligarchs and their political parties have difficulties to steer the movement. It has become an independent Center of political power, to that it is worthwhile for left to fight.All the Eastern Ukrainians on Yanukovich's pages?There would be a referendum on a Union of Ukraine with Russia, most, however, would vote in the East. They also have no confidence in the Russian Government. Nevertheless, Yanukovych in the East still has Rückh
Is his Government therefore stable?No. The oligarchs system itself undermines Yanukovych, is in addition to the mass movement in the West. Some "sponsors" of Yanukovich's "Party of regions" demanding his resignation now internally. Should the oligarchs publicize this position, the President would quickly lose even his remaining support in the population.According to a recent poll, Klitschko would get a majority in a runoff election to the Office of the President against Yanukovych. This means that many Russian-speaking Eastern Ukrainians would vote for Klitschko.Also the star of the movement is Klitschko?What the media are usually hiding is that the movement is basically extremely critical towards politicians and other self-proclaimed leaders. Klitschko is one of the few who barely are booed off the stage, when they speak on the Maidan. But the star doesn't make him well.Where does the criticism of the opposition politicians?Many opposition politicians, as well as the imprisoned Julia Timoschenko, have already demonstrated that they are corrupt. Klitschko still not. Still it depends same economic bosses, like other politicians.Again, you speak of the "oligarchs". What makes compared with billionaires so special, somewhere else?An "oligarch" has not only much influence on economy and society, but also direct control over one or more political parties. One oligarch can turn into direct political power so its financial capital.Which parties are controlled by oligarchs?All parties in the Parliament are largely financed by oligarchs. Only Svoboda is caused by ideologically distinct active and has used the opportunity in a favourable situation, to get money. Without oligarchs, Svoboda also would have been never so influential.What do the media?The oligarchs have all major television networks and control their contents directly. So politicians from Svoboda invited too major talk shows, as the party in elections was still 0.8 percent. At the same time, it is inconceivable that there some linker may speak.How is the conflict in the Ukraine only between different parts of the capital?The elites always try to abuse mass movements. Would we, expect mainly in Eastern Europe on a movement, is free from influences of capital and completely led by the working class, we have to wait forever. Prevent such movements, we need a different society than we have?"Another company", so that there can be movement?Exactly. Because any protest movement reflects the contradictions of society, in which she fights. Strong nationalism and extremely powerful oligarchs on the one hand, no tradition of self-organisation and class consciousness, no large trade unions on the other side. The protest will arise?There is no perspective?Yet. But first we need to discuss left: How can we act in these circumstances?Should we condemn the movement, because it's too hard to work? We go home, because protesters wave the Ukrainian national flag anywhere on the Maidan, sing the national anthem and call: "Glory of Ukraine"?What do you suggest?I'm talking nothing nice. If you say that you are Marxist, on the Maidan, it may be that you will be attacked.But are largely in the development program and character of the movement. People are changing there politically very quickly and they are very open to politics.What is that?In December, many more people had confidence in Klitschko. At that time, no one could imagine what fights they were able in January.Can left align something here?Left almost always have the option to work there. Because there are many problems to the left offer a solution can, in contrast to all the others.Where can we connect?The majority of people on the Maidan wants to organize themselves. They want direct democracy and no negotiations behind closed doors.It is these ideas for the people on the Maidan fight against the police, although one of their comrades was killed the day before. This is the place where left must attach their ideas.What can the left in Kiev improve?We must learn to respond to the situation. With the setting "I spread my slogans or none" to win a flower pot in Kiev. I think it rather irresponsible, if left deliberately not on the Maidan, what unfortunately happened.Irresponsible?
Yes. Because if we stay away, we the people leave the "right sector", which we hate it so much. No one will thank us if we go there, where the right-wing extremists are, except for the right-wing extremists themselves.Is it practically possible?Of course. It may mean that I must leave my beloved red flag at home because it is bad. So what?I want to get into political contact with people and radical is what brings success. That a red flag is unpopular is not us, it's the Communist Party. Nevertheless we must respond wisely.Can the movement also win?Depends on what winning means. The movement can achieve the downfall of Yanukovich. Sooner or later he will lose his power. But many protesters want to change society and the political system. That can not afford this movement.Is there anything free then?Not at all. Many will be disappointed, but experience also, upon which they can build. Some will realize that even a social struggle is necessary to improve their lives. If that were possible in the near future, it would be a great success.Ilya, I thank you for the conversationInterview: Anton ThunIlya Budraitskis is a member of the "Socialist Russia"movement (Rossiyskoye Socialisticheskoye Dvizheniye, RSD). The Organization, which is present in the large cities of Russia, was built at the beginning of 2011 as a result of the restructuring of the Russian left and is a fusion of different groups. You sees itself as plural, anti-capitalist, radical left-wing collection movement and occurs for a new, democratic socialism. Its activists are active in various social and democratic movements in the mass movement against Putin 2011/2012.On the МARX IS must Congress in Berlin from June 6 to 9, it is an event with Ilya Matveev, also by the Rossiyskoye Socialisticheskoye Dvizheniye, RSD type. More information & registration
Fabius Maximus wrote:
The Aussies aren't comrades of mine [Ultraleft sectarian cursing], but would you care to provide any further examples?
Amy talks to Ray McGovern of crypto-Putinesque propaganda and ex-CIA conspiracy theory fame and Timothy Snyder of of Yale
I think it's been a while since I've done a CounterPunch info dump.
Who is an SEIU steward. And, I have learned, is a member of a split-off from the group I currently am a member of. Which is two strikes against him. (Ultraleft sectarian/Teamster in-joke.)
Conn's got a pretty impressive Stalinoid/Trotskyoid CV and is, at least, a second-generation Bay Area commie rabble rouser.
Whom I don't know from Adam, but he starts the piece "I welcome Russian intervention in Crimea." Which I don't (and find a troubling lack of anti-Sexy Putin sentiment in all of them as a matter of fact) but still found pretty interesting.
Not sure what you mean, I never discussed any protest events before the EU-brokered agreement.
Haven't read what you wrote yet, but, to clarify:
Post order got out of whack. Post you're responding to was supposed to be after Citizen Nick's.
EDIT: Actually, nevermid. Post order wasn't out of whack on that one. Target was still Citizen Nick, though.
John Kretzer wrote:
I saw an argument between lefties on-line who were trying to quantify how much worse Russia was than the United States. One of the anti-Russians was all like "Pussy Riot getting whipped by Cossacks--when was the last time peaceful protestors got whipped in the United States?" and the other guy was like "How short are our memories?"
(Not to mention that the Pussy Riot-whipping Cossacks were, as far as I know, right-wing vigilantes, and not agents of the state.)
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
As a revolutonary socialist, it is a no-brainer to oppose Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. My Russian comrades, I hope, are carrying out this line as we speak, but, alas I don't speak Russian.
Huzzah, I found a translation!:
March 1, 2014 -- War has begun. With the aim of protecting and increasing the assets of the oligarchs in Russia and in Yanukovich's coterie, Russia's leadership has undertaken an invasion of Ukraine. This aggression threatens catastrophic consequences for the Ukrainian and Russian peoples -- most especially for the population of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Ukraine's southeastern industrial regions.
For Ukraine, this will also mean an escalation of ethnic conflicts; for Russia, a consolidation of dictatorial power, repression, and chauvinist hysteria, with which the ruling elite will be able to neutralize mass anger against a backdrop of deepening economic crisis. We share the concern of residents of the southeast over the nationalistic tendencies of the new authorities in Kyiv.
It is, however, our firm conviction that freedom will be won not by Putin's tanks, but by self-organization and the people's own struggle for their civil, political, and socio-economic rights.
It goes without saying that the peoples of Ukraine have a right of self-determination, of full autonomy and independence. But what we are seeing today has nothing to do with the democratic will of the masses. It is a brazen and cynical act of Russian imperialism, aimed at annexing foreign territory and converting Ukraine into part of Russia's protectorate.
Today, the struggle for freedom in Russia is a struggle against the foreign policy adventurism of the current regime, which seeks collusion in forestalling its own end. The RSD calls on all sincere left and democratic forces to organize anti-war protests. Our demands:
NO RUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN WAR! NO PROVOCATIONS TO BLOODSHED IN UKRAINE!
NO PITTING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER OF THE PEOPLES OF UKRAINE AND RUSSIA!
NO INTERVENTION BY THE ARMIES OF RUSSIA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE AFFAIRS OF CRIMEA!
FREEDOM FROM DICTATORIAL ACTS AND PEACEABLE SELF-DETERMINATION FOR THE PENINSULA'S RESIDENTS!
YES TO THE UKRAINIAN WORKERS' STRUGGLE AGAINST OLIGARCHS AND CORRUPT OFFICIALS! NO TO ETHNIC CONFLICTS!
Vive le Galt!
(Especially if you're an American who doesn't pay attention to the news.)
Which, alas, was pre-Putin in the Crimea.
As a revolutonary socialist, it is a no-brainer to oppose Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. My Russian comrades, I hope, are carrying out this line as we speak, but, alas I don't speak Russian.
I reserve the right to change to a "plague-on-both-of-your-houses"/revolutionary defeatist position if the war spirals out of control and triggers a conflict between Russia and the West.
Down with the war-mongers!
Down with Sexy Putin!
Down with Svoboda fascists and Princess Leia!
Workers to power!
Vive le Galt!
So, Citizen Laflamme, question:
I've been interested in intersectionality and critical race theory and all that other crap for a while, but I was wondering: how do Crenshaw and cothinkers qualify as postmodernist? Not that I really have much grounding in postmodernism, but I thought Critical Race theory was an outgrowth of Critical Theory which was an outgrowth of "Cultural Marxists" like Adorno and Marcuse? Or are they also considered postmodernists?
They do need more of the Hispanic vote, though. I don't remember where I found it, I think through one of the links that Spanky provided in another thread (don't recall which one at the moment), but it was a whole article about how Texas Democrats were launching a campaign to win back the Republican Hispanic vote. Hmm, let's see if I can find it...
Not making an argument, just throwing in (anecdotal) stuff:
My hipster friends in Lowell, MA have all kinds of fun stories about the discrimination against the large Cambodian immigrant population there. All kinds of local ordinances against raising chickens and what not that the Southeast Asians keep getting tickets for but seem to pass over the hipster urban farmers.
In fact, I remember as far back as high school psychology class reading (so, 20 years ago) about friction between the Cambodian population and the Lowell authorities.
I don't know. Sounds to me like a bunch of vague bullshiznit at best. More pull yourself up by bootstraps at worst.
"'Nothing will be given to you,' Obama said. 'The world is tough out there. There's a lot of competition for jobs and college positions and everybody has to work hard. But I know you guys can succeed.'"