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Is it my imagination or does Zarmangarof bear more than a passing resemblance to the incentive piece from heroes and monsters?
Good catch, Cat-thulhu, I think you're right. Which to my mind, makes it even better; if the rider gets off the dragon, you could put down the riderless mini.
The two Maidens look like awesome minis, and I'm thrilled to see one is a common! I say again, I hope the rich reds come through well. How do the people who worry about such things feel about the way the armor boobs are rendered here? (I almost said "handled", and thought better of it ;-)
Another thing about quality too: If you look back at a lot of the old Wizards minis, even where the paint jobs weren't great, there was often a lot of potential there in the sculpt itself. The standard paint job on the pre-paints often didn't even come close to catching the potential of the sculpt underneath, and on occasion I've repainted them myself to do something with that. (This is true of their Dreamblade line too; there were some *amazing* sculpts in that line that got painted totally monochrome in a way that ignored a wealth of wonderful detail.)
By contrast, Wizkids' Pathfinder minis tend to pretty much use the detail that's there, and Wizkids' D&D minis by and large simply lack the details in the first place. Their ordinary sculpts are just very basic. Their adventurers, for instance, tend not to have lots of gear or sculptural flourishes in their outfits. It's all just very cut-and-paste and uninspired. (The unsculpted faces that you mention, Cat-thulu, are a great example of this.) With the old line, you might feel justified in repainting a poorly painted pre-paint. But with these new ones, there's just not enough potential there to justify the bother.
I agree 100%. Almost every medium has a very sloppy paint job and every PC type mini I pulled had NO FACE to speak of, a blood with a tampo for a face! That said in hand I was very happy with both sphinxes, the black pudding and the beholder - which I did not need at all since I have about 30 from all the releases over the years. Pathfinder battles in leagues ahead in terms of quality. I can only assume it's a QC thing?
I can't help thinking that Wizards is taking advantage of the big influx of new players to 5th Ed. who don't know any better and will buy anything "official". I'm finding there are a lot of minis buyers who want the "official" mini and are reluctant to believe me when I tell them that there are better (and sometimes cheaper!) minis available if they're willing to look at Pathfinder and other lines.
I haven't gotten any of the new MM2 minis in hand yet, but I have to say that the pictures I've seen make the paint jobs looks pretty awful. It's also obvious (to me, anyway) that they're using the same basic sculpts over and over with very few changes made between minis, and I don't just mean the ones where it's just a weapon changed. I think they're using the same basic body for lots of different monsters. The difference in quality between Paizo and WotC minis just seems to me to widen with each set. It's hard for me to believe the same company is producing both lines, the results are so different.
Re: Mounts, I've been running a Kingmaker campaign where more often than not the party is out in the open and their mounts are either in use or tied up by their camp. And again, more often than not monsters (often of animal intelligence) have gone after the horses. Protecting the horses has at times been a big deal, and it's become a running joke that one of the characters seems to lose about a horse a week. For us, poker chips would be unsatisfying. But I think it's great that your group found an easy solution like that that works for you!
Yeah, I've got at least one of every mini going all the way back to Harbinger, so when I'm thinking about what minis I would and wouldn't like to see, I often have to remind myself that most people buying minis don't even know the earlier sets exist, let alone have many minis from them.
All three seem like great picks, though as someone who has the old otyughs, I'm most excited about the Protean. I've wanted one ever since it showed up in one of the Legacy of Fire adventures!
Another thing that occurred to me to ask for isn't exactly another mini, but: in one of their recent Heroclix sets, Wizkids has made some minis with a ring of transparent plastic around the base to create energy fields, a ring of water, and stuff like that. Why not make a few different ones like that that a Medium-sized mini could sit inside of, so that it could become a fire shield spell or something like that? They could be really useful as cool status markers too. And I really do think it would be great to have various transparent minis for spell effects: hand spells, wall spells, sphere spells, a floating disc, a spectral hand, black tentacles, and spiritual weapons (there are already good ones for an axe and hammer in the Heroclix War of Light series, and a spiritual sword would make my cleric PC's happy, as well as being usable for a Mordenkainen's -- sorry, mage's -- sword). This could be a cool use of dressing pieces.
Other stuff I'd still love:
Take a look at this page for a Grippli Archer in metal, and that same company, Stonehaven Miniatures, has at least half a dozen other grippli minis on their site.
I love all those minis, especially Jilia, whom I agree would make an awesome PC!
Wishlist for groups:
Some other singles I'd like to see:
I'm sure I'll come up with other wishes, but these would all make me ever so happy (until the next time you ask :-)
I think I know the answer to this, but my son's been playing Tup (with terrific glee and regular recitations of his song, I should add), and we will have no peace under my roof until this is resolved. So:
Good idea. So here's a
One of them was a Kobold Devilspeaker, repainted with white scales and a blue robe. The other was a Guard, repainted with a blue uniform, probably to match the City Watch minis we've already received.
Interestingly, the seller I bought from was domestic, so it only took a few days for the minis to reach me. I'm surprised I got them as cheap as I did, too; they went for $1 each. I was sure some of the other minis addicts around here were going to see them and bid them up!
Update on the promos I think I got: I do in fact now have 2 repaints of existing minis in hand that have not yet been announced, but I think they're misprints: the bases still have the name and set info for the original minis in the Rusty Dragon set. So I suspect these were rejects that somehow got into the hands of an Ebay seller. Anyway, it'll be nice to find out what I should really call them!
Gug is covered, in the Shattered Star set.
By all means, spriggans large and small!
You can include me among the people who are thrilled with both minis! I've been using a repurposed Monsterpocalypse mini for a giant crab for a long time, but this one looks a lot better. And the Flying Ray looks awesome too! A very useful mini. And others have said, I hope it's more Dire Bat than Mothman.
These particular minis look great, though they don't push any particular buttons for me.
I do, however, suddenly find that I really wish we had some minis for Razmiran cultists. If you can do a set with cultists in 3 different robes for acolytes, priests, and heralds, that would be awesome. And given how popular cultists are on the secondary market, I'm sure they would have use for campaign worlds other than Golarion too.
While I'm at it, I've long wished we had a few NPC minis that were old, obese, disabled, etc. Not just hale and hearty people in the prime of life. A couple street urchins would be welcome too!
Yeah, that's a really weird pick for a case incentive. It makes me wonder who's calling the shots over at Wizkids. I would expect both companies to want to make their incentive picks extremely safe choices, and this is the least safe choice I ever remember seeing. Though honestly, I thought the Huges for this set would be safer picks too, since there are so many Huges that haven't been made yet that show up a whole lot more regularly in adventures and have never been made as pre-paints. But Erik has proved to be reliable in the past, and I'm hopeful both the new Huges will do well!
Mike Selinker wrote:
Fwiw, I just played this scenario with my kids, and we were confused enough about how we were supposed to handle the villain and closing requirements that I came here to the boards to seek aid, and was surprised not to see a FAQ for it. I then had to track down this thread. Based on my admittedly individual experience, a FAQ would be helpful.
I think the Hound Archon -- first since the original Harbinger set way back when! -- will be a hit, and I like the Lantern Archon too, especially since it looks like it could be useful as a spell effect or some kind of dressing too. (Maybe a dancing lights spell?) The Trumpet Archon looks great, although I'd bet from past experience with the old Angelfire Trumpet Archon that demand for it will be limited.
There's a female vampire spawn in Dungeons of Dread too, but the general point is well taken.
I don't know, maybe? I can certainly imagine that being the case with angels: Wings? check. Robe? check. Sword? check. And devils tend to be less variable than demons. But with demons you've got that whole "chaotic churning of the Abyss" sort of thing, where it's spitting out new bizarre combinations all the time. Vrocks are very different from hezrous, which are very different from quasits, which are very different from nalfeshnee, and so on. Yet even so, those minis tend not to move as much as others. It's not like these monsters don't show up in adventures either. I don't know! <<shrugs>>
I didn't notice that this thread was still humming till now, but let me just chime in that, while the DM in me is sad not to get more devils in particular, the minis seller in me is glad to hear there will be fewer devils and angels. I don't know why, but most outsiders have moved pretty poorly in the past. You get a brief flurry of interest when a new set releases or a major adventure with a related theme gets published, but for whatever reason, in my experience, people who are just buying minis to get a basic collection going tend to stay away from most outsiders. (There are exceptions: succubi, maybe babau.) I don't know if it's a hangover from the old 80's D&D religious crisis, or the weirdness of a lot of outsider minis, or what, but it definitely seems to be a thing.
One more example of how much better work Paizo is getting out of Wizkids than WotC are. This imp looks miles better than the new one in the Monster Menagerie set. Might even be as good as the old Angelfire imp, which is to date is my favorite.
The Giant Eagle looks better than the old WotC one does, I think, though I confess I like the bendy flying sticks on the old WotC minis. I never worry about breaking the old Giant Eagles off their bases, whereas I worry constantly about breaking any Wizkids mini on a flying stick. I understand why Wizkids uses a more rigid plastic, but I still think overall the more bendy plastic from the old Wizkids minis was preferable. Most of those minis are pretty hard to damage, whereas all of Wizkids' minis -- Pathfinder, D&D, Heroclix, Mage Knight, you name it -- break pretty readily.