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Removed a handful of personally abusive posts, as well as further posts surrounding Milo. Folks, this individual is not up for discussion on our forums because of the toxic commentary that tends to follow. We reopened political discussions with the caveat that we need participants to work with our team and keep these threads civil. If you haven't read the sticky post in this forum, take a moment to do so, and keep the commentary in that post in mind while participating in this and other political threads.
Woodland Park Zoo is really great for littles (they have a family farm area, as well as Zoomazium for children 8 and under). I find the zoo a better visit than the aquarium in terms of time spent vs price of entry (our average zoo visit is about 3-4 hours, whereas the aquarium is about 1-2 hours) and it's also located next to a park with a playground, though you might be interested in a City Pass which looks like it'd include entry to both (plus a few other locations). There's also Discovery Park, which includes various hiking distances.
To expand on comment above: I will say that both the Olympic and Rainier National Parks are quite a time investment for travel, and probably warrant a visit of their own beyond PaizoCon to get the full experience :)
Removed a series of posts. Folks, using the phrase "they have balls" to apply to a political position/form of activism implies some considerably negative gender/sex stereotypes. Additionally, lengthy essays about voting strategy are not wholly appropriate within the context of this thread. If you'd like to recover any of this text, feel free to ping firstname.lastname@example.org.
Locking. This thread has gone far enough down a road of really negative commentary that it doesn't appear that it can be turned around. Folks, if a comment or thread is making you "see red" or makes you feel like resorting to tearing into each other, that might be a great moment to step away from the keyboard for a while (and possibly flag the post and move on, if it warrants moderation), or hide the thread. Some of these posts are totally unacceptable.
Removed a handful of comments that crossed over into hyperbole, personal attacks, and derailment of the original topic. Using phrases like "special snowflake" and "political correctness" as a means to demean others does not further conversations, it does not keep them productive, and it tends to stoke arguments. Additionally, to clarify a previous moderator post: discussions surrounding Milo Yiannopoulos do not have a place on our website.
Removed some hyperbolic/elevated posts and their responses. Additionally, we'll be going ahead and locking this thread.
After a number of unsuccessful threads, we do not host debates or discussions surrounding any figure who has involved themselves in Gamergate. The commentary and messaging from those figures in those threads has been shown to be so negatively charged and actively harmful to the community we try to foster here (including threats and endorsements of violence or suffering based on gender identity/sexuality). This specific thread seems primed for a circular and toxic debate, likely to end up the same.
Hey folks, our Community Guidelines are pretty clear on the point of provocative thread titles, so we're going to be closing this. If you'd like to start a new thread discussing aspects of the outcome related to the latest US election, it will likely go better if there's a specific topic for folks to discuss (for example: if you'd like to discuss environmental issues, a specific thread re: DAPL or NPS). We know folks are heated, we understand the climate of the country at the moment, and the flurry of Facebook/Twitter feeds and so on—to help our moderation staff, some focus is going to go a long way in keeping political threads civil and productive.
EDIT: Went back and removed some "flouncing" posts and the responses to them. We don't advocate this behavior on paizo.com.
I'd like to extend my gratitude for your patience as this thread has gone without proper response this week. My tasks related to the Starfinder preorder launch (including responding to all of the social media queries about the announcement), ACG retail incentive launch, as well as getting paizo.com back in working order (while working relatively in the dark) have kept me away from being able to focus on community-related needs.
I would like to clarify that our temporary pause on political threads has been limited to the Off Topic subforum. We recognize that there are topics covered in our products which may lead to political discussion and debate, and those are discussions that have a definite place on our website. Should we decide in the future to impose a permanent restriction on political threads in Off-Topic, it would not effect the status of threads related to in-game content, but rather threads solely focused on real-world issues.
We do not consider "The LGBT Gamer Community Thread" to be political, and if there were a ban on political threads in the future, it would be allowed to continue. There are a wide variety of backgrounds that make up our pool of employees, freelance authors and artists, third-party publishers, as well as gamers within the paizo.com community, and it is important to us to acknowledge and respect their identities. We understand the decision(s) of community members who wish to hide these topics, omit content from their games, or for whom this stance on identity issues brings them to an impasse. However, within the context of threads on our website, it is not appropriate to disparage any individual on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality, and that guideline is not up for debate (you can find our full Community Guidelines here).
We have made the tentative decision to suspend our pause on political threads (and will be unlocking a couple). If discussing politics on paizo.com is of interest to you, there is a sticky thread of guidelines for these topics available. If you have feedback on these guidelines, feel free to start a new thread in Website Feedback.
Whether Paizo should continue to host political discussions within the Off-Topic forum has been debated amongst our community, as well as internally. The responsibility of moderation on paizo.com is a task that is additional to regular job duties by certain Paizo staff. If the volume of posts in need of moderation begins to eclipse the time that's needed to be spent on other community needs, customer service, making our games and all of our other cool projects, it may be necessary to put certain topics on pause, or to limit certain topics altogether.
We are tentatively taking political threads off pause. If these are threads that you participate in, enjoy reading, or find to be of value, we need your help to keep them in check and keep them around. What does this mean?
There are a few topics our team has identified which often become politically charged and are too volatile/unsuccessful at remaining civil. We will lock new threads that concern the following (this list is not comprehensive and is for illustrative purposes):
If you have questions about any of the above, post to Website Feedback or email email@example.com.
Don't want to see political threads in your view of the forums? You can hide threads on paizo.com by clicking the "∅" symbol on the right-hand side of any thread. Please refrain from posting simply to voice dislike that a thread exists, as this derails conversations and causes unnecessary friction.
Please revisit Sara's post for any delays on responses to flags. Understand that our very big announcements yesterday, as well as site downtime, have had an impact on our ability to respond.
Removed a series of posts for various levels of personal abuse/offensiveness (as well as their responses) and reopening for now. Folks, this is not an appropriate venue to debate the acceptability of the term "oriental" (for clarity: we're not cool with it's usage to refer to individuals or groups of people on paizo.com), so please drop it.
So, I believe (with some level of paranoia) that I've put some things in place to fix the page errors. It may take getting a new session (signing out/back in) or the instance of the site refreshing, but this ship should have begun righting itself. So sorry for the inconvenience folks, never have seen this sort of thing happen on our side before.
EDIT: For clarity, the issue was totally unrelated to the Humble Bundle or any other currently running promotions. Something was tripped that caused these areas of the site to simply "hide" themselves, and we're working to find the root cause.
Temp locking as my attention needs to be focused on assisting with the site's current state and don't want this getting too hairy.
Quick update: I have not forgotten this thread, but given the site downtime eating up the majority of the day, it will be addressed tomorrow morning when I return to the office.
captain yesterday wrote:
Hey captain, just to clarify, this is just the messageboard feed on the sidebar and below product listings you're referring to, correct?
EDIT: Wait, nm, I see what I've done. I'll work to lock that back into place. Apologies for the inconvenience!
Disclaimer: This is my personal experience as a more casual gamer, so not an answer to all of these questions.
Edge of the Empire has a Beginner Game that is a pretty great place to start (I've played through it twice with friends now). I've used the Core Rulebook for referencing to supplement a few of the community generated character tools, and our group played through "Beyond the Rim" and had a blast (the adventure was enough to capture our groups attention regularly for ~6 months [before switching up GMs], which with everyone but me constantly itching to try new things is quite a feat). You can find the whole line of Edge of the Empire books here.
I found the system very "on your feet" and theatrical (this is compared to my experience with D&D/Pathfinder, so caveat there), possibly because of the dice system. If you're not into "special dice", they also have a free app for rolling here.
Overall direction of our Community Guidelines/moderation is not the goal of this thread. Our community involves thousands of posters, with thousands of posts per day, and if a post seems to just "disappear" it's fairly difficult to resolve that problem if the specific instance isn't being made known to our team. If you find yourself in this situation, the best course of action is to email firstname.lastname@example.org to give us an opportunity to investigate why this happened, and provide an explanation. While we might give the impression of being "omnipresent", we really aren't, and are human and susceptible to not getting it right all the time.
Let's move along to discussion political threads as they exist on our site, thanks!
Removed a series of posts contributing to a serious derail of conversation and personally abusive comments. Folks, we've been fairly hands off in this discussion thus far, and would appreciate participants to take a moment and consider that there is another human on the other side of the screen. Be mindful that hyperbole can be hurtful, words carry weight and meaning beyond what can be found in a dictionary, and that we host a community that is comprised of people from a variety of backgrounds. It is not helpful to a civil discussion to resort to profanity, passive aggressive comments, or dismissive rhetoric. It may be helpful, in the interest of allowing this thread to remain open, to revisit our Community Guidelines before resuming participation in this thread. Thanks!
Go for it! We'd be happy to hear input on this front :)
Temp locking for sifting through.
EDIT: Removed a series of derailing and off-topic politically charged posts. Folks, when a Paizo staff member asks you to stop a thread of conversation more than once, we'd appreciate your help in dropping a given topic. Additionally, intentionally misgendering others is not a behavior we support on paizo.com.
It is not, it's likely an artifact of going from the PDF reader to whatever image editing software that's in use (this isn't something we can easily control, as software versioning or plugins or any number of variables can change this). Our policy is that how you use your PDFs (and images therein) should be limited to personal use and not redistributed.
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