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Temporarily locking to sift through posts.
EDIT: I've got back and removed some posts and replies to them/quoting them. Conflating any issue relevant to the original topic with a terrorist organization is completely out of place and baiting. Also, do not attack others in the conversation. If there's a point brought up that you disagree with, assert the idea and debate that, not the other person.
Removed some posts. We're really not interested in facilitating yet another thread where the same parties are just jumping down each others throats again. It's fine to talk about this topic on paizo.com, but keep your comments focused on the topic and debate the ideas. Don't personally attack others in the conversation.
Charles Scholz wrote:
As indicated earlier in the thread, this is not all an intended punishment, or a measure we're taking on a whim. The change is both to put us in proper compliance with our credit card processor, and to start bringing paizo.com to the place it should be in regards to security. We're not the only website subject this change (many online retailers, banks, and anyone who handles card/senstive data are also changing) to protect our customers account security. I'm sorry this has negatively impacted your experience coming to our site, and we tried to give as much advance warning as was possible. If you need any assistance with selecting a newer browser, or with your current system, we can absolutely try to help you find a option that works.
Removed a post for the reasons below.
Guys, this thread is, in part, meant to provide support and discussion for other gamers going through difficult times. It is one thing to attempt to offer support, it is entirely another to take on telling another person in the conversation to simply stop a destructive behavior. In general the people posting to our site are not qualified to provide that kind of commentary, and we're not comfortable facilitating those kinds of comments, as they may be unintentionally damaging and hurtful to others in our community. Remember that there is a person on the other side of the screen, and written word can be an imperfect medium especially for this kind of feedback.
Alexander Augunas wrote:
The link in the blog wasn't working for me. To everyone else, you can find the product page for the playtest here.
This should be behaving correctly now :)
Will I be able to use it with an app called Photon Browser?
We (the Paizo staff) really can't provide information for compatibility beyond the major browsers available in the list above. Since this is a Flash application with browsing built in, I suggest contacting the developer of the app for TLS information they may have.
Removed a long series of personally abusive posts, the responses to them, and locking. Jumping into a thread to call our community "moronic douches" doesn't help any situation, even if others in the conversation are, in your view, not being helpful or understanding. Additionally, do not derail advice threads with your own build arguments or baiting soapboxes. If what you're posting isn't advice to the original poster, not only does it not belong in the respective thread, it doesn't belong in this subforum.
Finally, another wallpaper! More backgrounds to amuse people when I'm giving presentations! Please more wallpaper, I've missed them. Was the last one Mummy's Mask? I don't remember an Iron Gods wallpaper....
We're planning on making these more frequent again! Glad to hear this feedback :)
"Breaks other guidelines" works just fine. For spammers it's really obvious to use why the post is being flagged, and the type of specific flag for these isn't particularly essential for our moderation staff to know.
- Post that has a link to an NSFW site, but lacks that warning, what do I choose?
We don't currently have a firm stance on this, but "Breaks other guidelines" works in this case.
Sure, you can use the "BBCode markup/display problem" flag for this.
- Unintentionally insulted someone or something?
Sure, though it may be a good idea to drop a line to firstname.lastname@example.org if it's not super obvious so we have some idea of why it's been flagged.
- Improperly used BBCode Markups?
Sure, you can use the "BBCode markup/display problem" flag for this.
Nothing really. It's want it says on the tin ;)
- Disagree with a deleted or edited post, or a moved thread?
Post to this forum or email us at email@example.com about it.
- Accidentally flag a post (or flag it, then regret it)?
No worries, we see accidental flags a lot and it tends to be obvious. For the latter, I'd say send us an email at firstname.lastname@example.org so we're aware of it.
- See a post that contains words purposefully replicated from a Paizo-created work? (Such as an extended quote, with page citations.)
Flag as "Copyright/intellectual property infringement." In general large portions of our book text aren't something that should be copied/pasted onto our forums. If it's a small quote/reference, it's fine, but large sections of our non-OGL content shouldn't be copied/pasted into forum posts.
Are multiple flags important, or if a post is already flagged by one person, is that enough?
We have some level of filters for quantity of flags, but the number of flags is not directly related to whether that post/thread is going to get more attention. We sift through them daily and if something's been flagged, we're going to see it :)
Hopefully this helps! I have some plans to adjust our FAQ a bit when we have time, and maybe some of this will end up there.
Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
When the post that compared me to Hitler (for saying humans don't have tails in Pathfinder) was allowed to stand, I quit flagging any posts.
If you see something like this, please contact us at email@example.com. If we don't know about an issue, we can't do anything about it.
Just popping in for a moment to touch on this, and I'm going to shamelessly utilize some words from some of our moderators (and the PMG) here:
I understand that our philosophy towards our community might come off as "touchy-feely hippy-dippie" to some people. I understand that there are loud groups on other websites that are very loud and adamant about their points of view and issue ultimatums about how other members of their respective communities should act.
However, our Community Team (Liz and myself) and our group of moderators within the company are maintaining the same inclusive principles that we (Paizo) have held from the get-go. We deal with thousands of posts per day, have a user-base increasing in number as the Pathfinder RPG gains popularity, and also have to mitigate the needs/wants of our existing community (some of whom have been with us for years). This means that how we handle posts has changed, what we permit has been adjusted, and it's going to be an ever evolving process that adjusts as the community does. Additionally, we've never been fond of criticism of other online communities being posted to our own site because it generates unnecessary drama (this includes what may/may not occur on Tumblr).
We're going to make mistakes (such is the nature of being human and having a diverse and passionate group that we have on paizo.com), so if you think we're coming off heavy-handed in a specific thread, or you see a case where you're developing a concern about our staff shutting out certain voices in error, please tell us. If you're not comfortable posting publicly in the Website Feedback forum, or even emailing our devoted inbox (firstname.lastname@example.org), go ahead and contact me directly (email@example.com), and I'll see what we can do.
I will say that the feedback related to our moderation staff in this particular thread should probably stop, simply because it's not one of our official venues for handling this sort of feedback.
As an aside from some other posts in the last couple pages that have not been removed: keep in mind that everyone's game experience will vary and dismissive/disparaging remarks about other gamers really aren't constructive.
Renamed thread and removed a long series of back and forth/circular arguments/posts quoting the removed posts. If you want to debate alignment, what is/isn't good GMing, or anything that isn't related to the original post, take it elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason for this level is animosity on our forums.
Silly/joking threads aren't something we're against or something not OK under our Community Guidelines. However, historically, we don't keep "parody threads" open (parody being a direct parallel of an existing contentious thread, riffing on an individual or group that within our community in a negative way, or similar). Why don't we keep them open? Because more often than not it isolates people, brings out the "mean" side of people, and ultimately doesn't serve to keep our forums a fun or friendly place. This would fall under the "baiting" portion of the Guidelines.
We do not explicitly spell out "don't do this" or "these threads aren't allowed" because, well, we're a site that caters to gamers. And, more often than not, explicit rules are just asking to be gamed or exploited.
As an aside, I will admit that I missed some key language in the post that indicated that it was a sarcastic, which is totally my bad (it has been a long and fatiguing week in the wake of PaizoCon, and that's not an excuse, but just trying to give context for my own flub), and have revised my post locking the thread.
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PaizoCon 2015 has officially come to a close, and our staff is interested in what attendees thought of the show!
Please leave us your feedback (things you liked, things you thought could have gone better, or any suggestions) in this thread. If you have feedback that you don't want to post publicly, please email it to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Thank you all for attending PaizoCon this year!
Walking in the convention areas is absolutely OK. I suspect we'll have a lot of people hanging around/gaming in the hotel bar area and in our open gaming space. Official events that are listed on our Event Schedule will require a PaizoCon badge, however. Traditionally there's also been an "Anti-Banquet" group that rallies up near when the Banquet starts, so I'd look out for a thread popping up Saturday evening by those folks.