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taig wrote:
You mean to have a good marriage, you need to have a personal digital assistant? ;) Not that inoccent. wrote:
I've got vines, if that counts .... Solnes wrote:
Sic 'im, Solnes! Go get him!!! >=D Waitaminnit .... how did you know the lingo? o.O Sebastian wrote:
(Cutting down on the maze of interlocking quotes for general board sanity) You know, Sebastian, that's downright Machiavellian. Is Sebastian short for Colonel Sebastian Moran, or something? ;) PDFs and other electronic files are still quite a bit clumsier than books, IMO. You've got to have a computer to look at them, with electricity, which limits the spots you can use them right away. Even more than that, once you get them, they're pretty much tied to you forever. You can't lend them out, you can't resell them if you decide you don't want them any more, you can't give them directly as gifts, and you can't buy a legitimate copy of them once they're out of print. And, they're still a lot harder to read, despite a lot of improved utilities. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of computers and the Internet. It's just that I'm also a fan of physical books, and can see that there's a need for them that will never be supplanted totally by the electronic format. IMO, of course. David Fryer wrote: I hate to say it, but I dislike that attitude. I used to have an acc~*~ with a local bank and after about ayear with them the decided to close my account, "due to inactivity" according to them. The did not notify me that my account had been closed, and they continued to accept my direct deposits, but they started sending back the checks I as writing. I didn't know what had happened until I started getting collection letters for bounced checks. Ah, yes, banks. I have plenty of horror stories about banks to share, and I agree with you that I have a hard time trusting them. About 3 years back, my bank removed $182 per week from my account, and claimed that they didn't -- and charged me their exorbitant overdraft fees. Naturally, they didn't notify me about the overdraft, either, so I racked up a good solid fee the first time it happened. I went in, went over my checkbook with them, went over the bank statement, and basically showed them that $182 was missing from my account that should have been in there, because there was no transaction on which it could have been spent. Their response was to print out a page showing my current balance, and saying "Well, we show this as your current balance, and so that's your current balance. We're not sure how it got there, but that's what you've got now, so it's correct as far as we're concerned." About 4 months later, I got a note saying, "whoops, ha ha, we did make an error, so we redeposited the money in your account." So, last year, I was in the bank and some other guy came storming in, saying, "There's $182 missing from my account!!!" .... Needless to say, I'm currently banking with another bank .... and keeping a couple week's groceries worth of cash on hand so that I can't just be wiped out by a computer glitch .... David Fryer wrote: My favorite was a customer complaint letter I read in book one time. It went something like "Well I know that your motto is th customer is always right, but as a customer, I think you are wrong. The customer is not always right, and since we are always right, we are not always right, but if we are not always right then I could be wrong about the customer not alwys being right. Go sit on a tack." Amazingly the person even signed their name to the letter. Isn't that a variation on one of those old Greek paradoxes? =) Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Glad to hear you got that much loot, at least. Must be convenient having a scanner and printer in one device, rather than needing room for two side by side .... or piling them up on top of each other, as I've sometimes been obliged to do. Well, the book is legally your property other than for copying and distribution, so there's not much to worry about there. I can loan out my Audubon Field Guides to anyone I please, as long as I don't start printing 'em up and selling them, and the same goes for a Pathfinder book. Otherwise, you'd be hearing about police raids on libraries and used book stores all the time. ;) The PDF, I'm guessing would be something to steer clear of. I'm not an expert on the subject, but electronic stuff seems to be a lot touchier than physical stuff in the loan department. Sharoth wrote:
Dang it, you mean I've managed to be this annoying in only 214 posts? ;) Grats on the potential interview! As it happened, I missed an important phone call by 10 minutes today ... and it may end up costing me over $200 because I won't have something in by the date it was supposed to be in now. It might be okay, but it's gone from 100% okay to 50/50. =P Ah well, you win some, some you hope you didn't lose .... In the interests of putting my money where my fangs here, here's another contribution to the main topics of this thread ;) .... in the form of a gross story about spiders from about 10 years back .... WARNING! If you have squeamishness about spiders, this story may be extremely disturbing to you. ;) Arachnophobe discretion advised -- reading further may result in permanent mental scarring, waking with a yowl and a cold sweat in the middle of the night, and/or extreme prejudice against spiders. Just so ya know. One morning, about 10 years ago, I woke up after a good night's sleep and my nose felt a bit stuffy. I got up, got dressed, got a tissue, blew my nose .... .... and a crooked, hairy spider leg came out. I sat there, looking at it for a good ten seconds, and then I was blowing my nose frantically, even though it didn't feel stuffed up any more. Two more spider legs came out, but nothing after that. I rinsed my nose out with water as best as I was able, but no go. The rest of the beast remained out of sight, so I wasn't sure if it was still up there, or if just some of the legs got up there without the rest of the spider being involved. Then, the next morning, when I woke up, I sneezed .... and there was the rest of the spider, a smallish wolf spider, dead as a doornail of course, and missing three legs. I've got a pretty strong stomach most of the time, but with the implications of that, I admit to a retch on that occasion .... Thankfully, thus far, it seems to have been a once-in-a-lifetime experience .... and I sure do hope it stays that way! =) This thread was a real Gark-a-thon for a while. It goes to show you what happens when you let a goblin off the leash. ;) As for spiders, I usually catch them and put them back outside. However, if they come for me (like the one that made a run at my foot the other night), I mash 'em flatter than a toad in Chicago rush-hour traffic. Gleefully, and without a qualm, I might add. Yeah, I know, they bite you only when they're provoked, blah blah blah. That's why when I was 10 years old, I was getting a bite every night while sitting reading my evening comic book, and my parents couldn't figure out why until she saw a spider come out of the bathroom and crawl along the wall 30 feet through the house -- she followed it, and it went up onto the couch I was sitting on and headed straight for the arm that kept getting bitten. Clearly, I was just invading its personal space. I've seen plenty of examples of such provocation since then. ;) "The smell of your blood provokes me, human! Muahahaha!" Lokie wrote:
Yep, and as is noted, the repeating crossbow is so weak that the Chinese had to poison the bolts in order to make it effective. Repeating crossbows are one of those things that make me wince whenever they're mentioned. I personally like that combat works differently in different eras, and there might be some settings where the Old West gunslinger not only doesn't exist, but can't exist, and being a 'badass' means something totally different -- like being lethal with a halberd. But that's just me. Now that is a really repulsive situation. I'm sorry to hear that and I hope some kind of solution presents itself soon. With that said, I really think that public housing is at least worth checking out. Even the small town I live in, with 425 people, has a miniature apartment complex with small apartments that are available only to people with low income, and whose rent is adjusted to match the income -- so the really unfortunate can get some spartan but decent living space for a minimal amount. Even just a few months of some low-rent housing might give you enough breathing space to find some alternatives and get back on your feet -- or at least take the first step towards getting back on your feet. And as someone who spent 7 years at the bottom of the economic heap, literally, and who has only managed to claw out of that situation in the past couple of years, I can say that I know exactly where you're coming from, and how difficult it is to just come up with "a solution"; and you've got my sympathy at least. Stark Enterprises VP wrote:
See, now, that makes me think that it's probably overpowered. I guess there's just no pleasing some people (me, specifically). Jason Beardsley wrote:
Dang, that's painful, sorry to hear it. :( This recession/depression is pretty savage, but I hope you find some new work soon. Hopefully before you've had to sell off all your Paizo stuff! Matthew Morris wrote:
Hoo boy. Well, there went pretty much my last reason to purchase the book for class stuff. The races leave me unimpressed, and the magic item stuff sounds abominable. So that pretty much leaves the flaws -- something that might be nice, but I'm not paying full book price for one chapter. Looks like this is one to scratch off the list of future purchases. Thanks for the warnings, though, guys! Well, my interest just went down a few notches more. I already have the duskblade, and use it in my campaign (although I despise the name -- "dusk," for goodness' sakes? -- and call it the "blademage"), and since it sounds better than this version, I can't see why I shouldn't stick with it. Same with the PHBII Knight. The Priest sounds like the only thing still piquing my interest, since my campaigns feature religions pretty prominently. Can someone please share some information about it? Anything to make it stand out? I've never owned a copy of Unearthed Arcana, so hearing that it's similar to the cloistered cleric from that book, as so many have said in this thread, doesn't convey much to my mind, unfortunately. [Edit: misspelled Priest, of all things] tejĂłn wrote:
Yes, that is a LOT of rice. :) I just used it because it sounded appropriate. I do like your idea for the "Five Koku Trap," though. =) I've spent a good part of my adolescent and adult life reading as many books about samurai and medieval European warriors as I can fit into my schedule, and although both cultures produced very distinctive types of fighting men, my personal opinion is that they can both be modeled quite well by the fighter -- and some role-playing notes to remind you of what makes them what they are. Like the fact that European knights considered it to be the worst disgrace possible to enter a wagon, and eschewed wheeled conveyances almost completely, even, on occasion, when badly injured. Or that the samurai of the early period would recite the names of their ancestors and the list of their accomplishments before battle, then fire special whistling "humming bulb arrows" en masse to attract the notice of the gods to the deeds of valor about to be performed. The samurai, even more than the knight, would fall into the category of "heavily-armored generalist" that the fighter represents so well. Just my two koku. ;) Well, I'm glad that my players aren't like this, and I'm sorry that you're stuck with a bunch like that. If I found myself in this situation, and didn't want to just ditch the group out of hand, I'd probably say, "Okay, guys, we can go one of two ways here. "One is that we treat this as a tactical fantasy wargame, and I just make up combat scenarios for us to play out together. I'm not going to do anything with the background if we do this, because in that case, you're obviously not interested in the background, and I don't want to waste my time writing stuff you're just going to turn into a big joke. "The other is that we accept your characters are living in a world here, and their actions have consequences. You can still do whatever you want, but don't be surprised if stuff happens to your characters because of it. If they don't have names, for example, nobody will be able to find them or pay them for things they do. If they pull the king's beard, expect his knights to kill them for attacking him. You're not pulling any punches in your actions, so I'm not going to pull any for your characters either. I'm going to be fair and impartial, but if we choose this way, the world is going to respond in a semi-realistic manner to your actions, so if you want your characters to survive, you need to be a bit more cautious. "So, which is it going to be?" Deussu wrote:
Again, I don't see how this is such a problem to grasp. Casting a metamagic enhanced cantrip uses up a slot of the appropriate level. It does not use up the cantrip, since the cantrip can be cast any number of times per day. However, you cannot cast the cantrip with metamagic if you do not have the slots to do it. And regardless of the metamagic applied, saves against it will always be against a 0-level spell. The rules seem perfectly clear as they are to me. I didn't read through the central pages of this thread, because to me it seems pretty straightforward. You can cast cantrips (0-level spells) any number of times per day. If you add metamagic to them, they are no longer 0-level spells. In basic, common-sense mathematics, 0+1 = 1, 0+2 = 2, etc. Therefore, if you add metamagic to a cantrip, it uses up a slot of the appropriately-leveled spell. When you have used up all your slots, you can no longer cast cantrips with metamagic enhancements. You can, however, still cast them as their ordinary, 0-level selves. So, they're not expended, but you can't supercharge them up any more, because you've used up all your higher-level slots. The rule appears to boil down to: "You can cast any spell with a level of 0 any number of times. Any spell with an effective level higher than that uses a slot, and once you use up all your slots, you can't cast anything but 0-level spells for the rest of the day." Seems to make sense to me .... and be pretty clear-cut .... maybe I'm just missing the point. Bill Dunn wrote: But there is absolutely no reference to Aragorn dual-wielding that I know of. That didn't even enter the AD&D class's formal concept until 2e, long after the initial ranger (first appearing in the Strategic Review) and revised in 1e could have been based on Aragorn. I've read the Lord of the Rings over a dozen times myself, since I first discovered it as a 10-year-old, and I concur, there's no sign of Aragorn doing anything remotely resembling dual-wielding. I don't think there's anyone who dual-wields in the books -- it's either one-handed weapon, one-handed weapon and shield, two-handed weapon (and this one is rare), or bow, as far as I can recall. TriOmegaZero wrote:
Hm, now you're getting me interested in the warlock, too! ;) I like the solution with the broader groups, myself. Or retraining. Although I do agree with those who say that the player and DM should communicate at the start of the campaign, and that the DM should throw in occasional challenges that include the ranger's favored enemy. This is the best way to handle it, and I don't see it as 'coddling' the ranger or something like that. After all, there are going to be locks and sneaky situations for the rogue, injuries for the healers to tend, etc. etc. -- so designing an encounter or two into every adventure (or every other adventure, even) where the ranger can potentially shine just seems pretty natural to me. YMMV. That said, I can see that some DMs may not be quite as flexible in this way, and that when that's the case, it can produce a big problem for the player. Which is why I personally find the ranger's favored enemy to be find (because I usually DM, and I write the adventures so that all the characters get a chance to shine -- as long as they don't mess up, of course ;)!), but as a general rule think that the retraining or broader groups would be a good overall solution for the official rules. (Now to see if I made that too much of a wall of text for anyone to response to.)
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