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How can one best gain spell like abilities?
Available tools:
Race builder (there are a few options)
Spells (wish maybe with DM approval)
Classes/ prestige classes

Anything else? Also, what are some of the best SLA's and how do you get them?

Question in the title.

Here's the scenario. You're a powerful person, both magically and politically. You like your privacy so you've built two fortress retreats. One is on a remote mountain the other an island. Both of your fortresses would fill James Bond villain with envy and rage. I know demiplanes are the best option, but lets say you still needed a home base on the prime for whatever reason.

In the real world water, earth, and height (air) are significant barriers to intrusion. However, in a magical world you've got Sahugin and earth elementals, air elementals. Not to mention various spells and powers to bypass such mundane defenses.

In a magical world what additional protections can you put in and around your fortresses to keep them from getting invaded.

Off the top of my head:

Earth: Bound earth elemental patrols?

Air: Lots of patrols with ranged weapons. Put lot of symbols above the second floor so that anyone climbing is likely to set it off.

Water: permanent strong currents to keep all but the largest creatures from being able to approach. Is there a spell for that?

Overall, I prefer permanent spell effects that don't require maintenance, but I'll consider any options.
Any additional thought or cool ideas you've used for defense in the past?

Is there any resource to indicate the pricing for higher level Rune Guardian's? Meaning ones who use spells above first level.

I'm considering options for playing a caster who specializes in combat. Doesn't necessarily have to be a Wizard, but I do prefer arcane casters.

Basically what's the best build to be generally badass as a caster in combat? I know it's a broad question, but that's intentional. Maybe post some of your builds or build advice.

I prefer something that scales well and is effective at the key levels (5, 10, 15, 18).

Thoughts, tips, tricks, considerations?

I need a cool name / flavor text for an intelligent ring of telekinesis whose purpose is to "watch your back."

Though not fully fleshed out the basics are as follows, though I'd be willing to add stuff if it's cool.

Intelligent ring of Telekinesis

Stats: all 10. I may increase int and maybe wis if I have sufficient funds
Senses 120'
Blindsight & Darkvision
Touch based telepathy
Probably ranks in perception

Possible additions:

Special purpose: Something to the effects of aid/protect the creator who will be wearing it. Need to word this carefully as to minimize the DM screwing with me

use of 4th level spell: Emergency force sphere

Perhaps an extra dimensional space just big enough to hold a few books/spellbooks


Essentially I've done the math on a once per day item that casts mind blank. Now I just need good flavor ideas about what to put it on. It doesn't need to be a slotted item because i'll put it away after I use it. Maybe a small statue of a particularly mysterious or mentally fortitude historic figure. Thoughts?

Essentially a 6 sided (or circular, but same idea) object with arrows slits so that the wizard can have improved cover while maintaining line of sight for any spells he wants of fire off.


1) Large size or smaller. Medium sized is preferred since the wizard is small sized.
2) Weight must be under 5000 LBS, but lighter is better.
3) I'd prefer if it were made of stone, but that's not necessarily required.
4) Non-magic item. I'm not looking for an aparatus of Kawalsh that flies. I'm trying to keep it as cheap as possible.
5) No doors are needed. The wizard can teleport in and out.
6) Bonus points if it's got a way to close off the arrow slits with relative ease.Internal shutters or something would be sufficient.

Ultimately I'd like my small teleport wizard have a box he can teleport into and protect himself while he fires spells outside of it. He intends to move around via Imbue with Flight spell. I may even make the thing invisible to really confuse my enemies. I'd like this to be a reasonably inexpensive mundane object so that if I need to abandon it I can without losing obscene amounts of money.

Edit: Oh, I need stats like L/W/H and weight for the various spell requirement calculations. Thanks in advance.

Wally the human wizard think's its cool to be small sized. So he casts Reduce Person + Permanency on himself.

Wally's mother doesn't know about this and sends him a new hat for a medium sized creature. Wally would like to be able to wear the hat.

Therefore he casts Enlarge person on himself so that he can wear the hat.


1) Has wally permanently countered Reduce person or is he only medium sized for the duration of the enlarge person spell? (1 min/level)

2) Assuming the permanent reduce isn't dispelled Once the magic reinitiates itself will the hat shrink to small sized as long as it's in Wally's possession?

I'm not sure where to put this thread, but I figured General was sufficient.

My question about the Simulacrum spell is specifically regarding this line:

A simulacrum has no ability to become more powerful. It cannot increase its level or abilities.

What does that mean exactly? I get that it can't gain class levels to include improving skill points, but how does that play out in your games? Do Simulacrum have no short term memories or do they simply never choose to improve themselves.

What happens if they read a self-help book? Do they completely forget the contents or are they simply incapable of incorporating a new way of thinking.

Lets say you make Sally the Simulacrum. She was specifically created because you found the best receptionist ever when you were on holiday in Rio and you wanted a Sally of very own for use in this little B&B you opened last year. (Or whatever.)

Is sally capable of remembering people? repeat customers? who tipped her the best? Or is every interaction as if she's never seen you before in her life?


I'm aware this is totally random and silly. However, if you were to convert Sophia Patrillo, the character from Golden Girls, how would you do it?

Here are some characteristics off the top of my head:
Sassy, stubborn, tough as nails, smart, dedicated, etc.

I'm new to Kineticists, as is most everyone else.

Question 1: What's the "best" overall build for a Telekineticist? I'd like them to basically be a telekinetic rogue that's got a decent punch in battle.

Question 2: I'm considering a Undine Hydrokineticist for Skulls and Shackles. I'm not entirely sure what direction to go with her. Any thoughts on making the best Hydrokineticist? Essentially being as good at whatever a hydrokineticist is best at as possible.


Is there a way to either:

- pick what species you turn into via reincarnate? Perhaps through some other magic or ability.


- is there a way to legitimately change oneself from one species to another? Poly any object won't work because it only changes the superficial. Wish would probably do it, but anything else? Limited wish maybe?

The general idea of this is to reincarnate, but into a species you want to be.

What's the formula for the ring of telekinesis please? I don't think it follows the normal rules.

I'm asking because I want to scale it up to a 15th level caster. The max for telekinesis.

What happens when you're a wizard with the Multimorph discovery and you cast polymorph any object on yourselfin regard to duration?

Suppose you're human and you polymorph into an elf. Duration = permanent.

Can you them change into a dragon (for instance)? The duration is shorter than permanent. Something like 10 min per Level.

You finish fighting then polymorph back into an elf. With at least 2 minutes left on the duration.

Is the duration now permanent again?

Rinse repeat. Is this an effective way to essentially have shape change abilities, subject to good timing and lack of dispel?

I like stuff that you can throw out and automatically fires upon the enemy. My go-to summon are Lantern Archons.

Anyway, I'd like to branstorm/crowdsource ideas. There are two related, but seperate instances of auto-turrets I'm interested in.

First is mobile. Spells are an excellent example, but this is pretty well covered under Summon Monster. Though if there are other such set and forget spells I'd be curious about that. Also, in this category are items or other such things you could pull out of your pocket and then run away while they fire upon the enemy. In a sci-fi game this would be something like a portable laser turret.

Stationary has more options, I think. This would include something that sits on a tower or city wall that automatically fires upon anything that gets too close. Animated siege crossbow comes to mind, though expensive. Perhaps also undead archers in a stone tower with only one window facing the direction you want them to fire. If they are capable of using a bow and cant otherwise escape you'd just have to supply them with arrows. Though I dont think mindless undead are capable of using a bow.



Is there a resource anywhere with good maps of castles? Preferably with grid lines. They don't have to be fully fleshed out. Just a shell k can print out and let the players decide what to do with it.

If you manage to activate gaseous form while someone is telekinetically grappling you, what happens? Is there any mechanical benefit or difference?

In this case it's a telekinetic grapple.

The opposed CMB makes spell casting next to impossible.

Tools available:
ring of telekinesis (command word)
Door item (Command Word)

I can't think of anything else that might be relevant. Basically if you're a wizard in a grapple what are the best strategies for getting away?

Thanks in advance.

"Nice" is relative since to my knowledge all hags are evil aligned. However i'm basically trying to figure out how theoretically a PC could get "access" to a Hag for purposes of his/her coven.

Lets assume the PC witch is question is Neutral to good. They may walk an ethically grey line, but they'd rather not go outright evil. Keeping an evil creature from doing evil while simultaneously using them for your own benefit is the kind of ethically grey area in question.

The only thing that comes to mind is some kind of long-term mind control. I imagine this would be in the form of a dominate monster item.

Any other ideas or experience with something like this?

1) For sake of argument can an unseen servant hold a tower shield vertical out of combat?

2) If Yes, what if any changes occur during combat?

Assuming Yes:

I don't believe the shield would provide any ac bonus as it is not wielded by a person. A melee person could easily push it aside, probably any bow composite bow with a strength bonus also.

It would probably provide cover though for ranged weapons.

Given the above what difference, if any, would it make if the unseen servant held up a piece of wood the approximate size instead of a shield?

Is there any way to get early access to wizard discoveries or one specifically?

For argument sake lets say I want to get Immortality early. Is there any combination of class features, feats, traits, etc that might allow this?

Basically, a wizard wants to expand the list of things that can be made permanent.
Anyone have any experience with this?
Reasonable? What cost(s) would you require? Would it be like memorizing a new spell?

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By whatever means you've created or found a private demiplane with the timeless trait. All other options are up to you.

Lets make a list of shenanigans that one could get up to.

Some guidelines: Consider they "why" and not just the "what." There are a lot of spells that can be made effectively permanent, but what's the end goal? Sure, you can make a permanent wall of fire, but what's its permanency going to do for you? Also, keep in mind spells that "wing out" if you leave the range.

Timeless reference::
On planes with this trait, time still passes, but the effects of time are diminished. How the timeless trait affects certain activities or conditions such as hunger, thirst, aging, the effects of poison, and healing varies from plane to plane. The danger of a timeless plane is that once an individual leaves such a plane for one where time flows normally, conditions such as hunger and aging occur retroactively. If a plane is timeless with respect to magic, any spell cast with a noninstantaneous duration is permanent until dispelled.

1) Simulacrum, Lesser : instant loyal servants / guards/ etc. They're cheaper than simulacrum plus they cant leave the demiplane or they "die."

2) Summon Monster 1-9: Permanent powerful utterly loyal extraplanar minions! I'd primarly use these as guards, but keep them hidden. Such as there are actually 100 Greater earth elementals hiding below the meadow in case you need them to help defend.

3) Calling creatures: Buy yourself some more time with your summoning circles as they basically no longer have a duration. Not to mention you can be fully buffed just in case the creature breaks loose.

4) Twine double: Set up multiple of these doing various things. If someone tries to scry you they're 50% likely per double to scry one of these. Not sure how the math works out with multiple castings, but even just 50% is pretty good.

5) Unseen servants cast by your lesser simulacrum. Not so useful if you cast them because they wink out, but any permanent resident can have a lot of basic work happening at any given time.


I'm mostly looking for RAW, but if none exists I'd be curious about what people think RAI is. Either way please clarify which you're using.

I've had a concept for awhile though I've only used it sparingly.

Marty the Mage gets high-ish level and decides to create an intelligent ring of telekinesis.

Base item Ring of Telekinesis named Ricky. Assuming no other Intelligent Item add-ons can the ring use telekinesis at will?

For example Marty is standing in a picturesque meadow when a goblin with a horse cutter comes out of the treeline headed toward Marty. Round 1:

Marty casts Mage armor (standard) and moves away (move).

Ricky, having his own action economy, hurls a nearby unattended greatsword at an incoming Goblin. (standard)

Is that valid? Presumably they both couldn't use telekinesis in the same round. I'm not aware of a rule, but it just makes sense.

If no:

Lets say Marty the absurdly wealthy adds a dedicated power, Item can use a 5th-level spell at will. Marty Chooses Telekinesis during construction. And the special purpose is to defend Marty.

Again Goblin attacks: Round 1:

Marty uses the base ring telekinesis power to throw a greatsword at the poor goblin.

Ricky uses the dedicated power to throw a nearby boulder at the same goblin.

Valid or no?

Intelligent Items Reference.

Other thoughts?

You're one of two groups. You're either attacking or defending a city.

Attacking: you're a small adventuring group. 4-6 powerful individuals. The details are at your discretion, but lean toward the "realistic." You're resources are vast as is fitting your group, but not endless. The end goal would be to get some specific treasure or conquer the city for yourself. Killing the ruling body (see "defending") would be required for that. You know as much about the city as the common people know and perhaps just a touch more as would come from a high gather info check + a few divinations.

Defending: you're a standard 4-6 adventuring group who years ago conquered and setted a now thriving city. You have a reasonable standing army and base of operations. Your resources are vast, but you still have a kingdom worth of upkeep. Be creative, but consider the cost/benefit ratios.

For both groups the details are up to you, but please consider what a "reasonable" dm would allow. Custom items, sure. Snow cone wish machines, probably not.

Feel free to reply to other posters with countermeasures. "Cities probably have lots of archers to counter flyers," for example.

Based on my reading of the Secret chest spell you can use a magic chest. See below. I think the "and so on" covers whatever magical additions you'd like to add to your chest.

1) do you agree and if not why?
2) What kinds of things have you done or would you do to ensure your chests protection.
3) Off topic, but kind of related: I think a well protected secret chest would be a great place to put a liches Phalactry if for some reason they thought the Demiplane spell series was insufficient.


School conjuration (summoning); Level sorcerer/wizard 5
Casting Time 10 minutes
Components V, S, F (the chest and its replica)
Range see text
Target one chest and up to 1 cu. ft. of goods/caster level
Duration 60 days or until discharged
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
You hide a chest on the Ethereal Plane for as long as 60 days and can retrieve it at will. The chest can contain up to 1 cubic foot of material per caster level (regardless of the chest's actual size, which is about 3 feet by 2 feet by 2 feet). If any living creatures are in the chest, there is a 75% chance that the spell simply fails. Once the chest is hidden, you can retrieve it by concentrating (a standard action), and it appears next to you.

The chest must be exceptionally well crafted and expensive, constructed for you by master crafters. The cost of such a chest is never less than 5,000 gp. Once it is constructed, you must make a tiny replica (of the same materials and perfect in every detail) so that the miniature of the chest appears to be a perfect copy. (The replica costs 50 gp.) The chests are nonmagical and can be fitted with locks, wards, and so on, just as any normal chest can be.

To hide the chest, you cast the spell while touching both the chest and the replica. The chest vanishes into the Ethereal Plane. You need the replica to recall the chest. After 60 days, there is a cumulative chance of 5% per day that the chest is irretrievably lost. If the miniature of the chest is lost or destroyed, there is no way, even with a wish spell, that the large chest can be summoned back, although an extraplanar expedition might be mounted to find it.

Living things in the chest eat, sleep, and age normally, and they die if they run out of food, air, water, or whatever they need to survive.

Beyond mundane stuff, like being a good and noble king, what methods have you seen/used to ensure loyalty of a populous?

I ask because I had an idea.

Permanent symbols of persuasion somewhere public. Ideally you'd work them into other signage that as many people as possible looked at on the regular, but that's not necessarily important. Having a big magical effect as a kind of art piece could also be sufficient if its true purpose were not common knowledge. Perhaps overlay some illusions to disguise, but not cover, the symbols. People would come to see the wonder and then think highly of you.

Symbol of Persuasion works as charm monster which works as charm person which makes a "creature regard you as its trusted friend and ally (treat the target's attitude as friendly."

Assuming the ruler or at least a major figurehead casts the spell you now have a large percentage of your population that will see your actions in the most favorable light.

As best I can tell this is 100% RAW and rather brilliant.

Thoughts on my idea and/or please share yours.

In the same way that once per day is 1/5 What's the Calculation for once per week and once per month items?

I need a good dragon disciple build please. I'd like to maximize caster levels as I'll be the only caster in the party. I think that means going straight from Sor into DD.

Starting level is going to be 11 with standard gold. Half price for any item the caster can make himself.


1) He's just throwing around stuff instead of elemental matter, right? Just use whatever's handy?

2) If you throw a adamantine bowling ball does it bypass DR appropriately?

I'm sure i'll think of more, but that's a decent place to start.

Is there another thread that discusses the telekineticist specifically? My search Fu didn't bring up anything.

For example, I'm making an item which casts "Bigimpressivespell."
The problem is "Bigimpressivespell" has a material component of 1000GP. Clearly you have to pay that cost when you make the item, but does it add to the time to craft.

The crafting cost minus the material component is 2000 GP.

Would this theoretical item take two days to craft or three?

Please cite sources for a RAW answer. Thank you.

Is the below correct by RAW? That is the question. Opinions on if it should be allowed are welcome, but please keep it to a minimum and be clear when you're stating RAW vs opinion. Naturally some DM's allow custom items and other don't. Thank you in advance.

So I may have figured out a "reasonably" priced way to make a demiplane early. Essentially i'm going to use the create trap game feature to make something useful. Edit: in hindsight you wouldn't even need the trap feature if you simply made a one time use wondrous item. The price difference will change, but only by a few thousand gold. Plus you'd be able to activate the thing anywhere after you made it.

For sake of continuity and my sanity this trap will be placed on a doorway which will be the portal focus for the greater deimplane spell. Going through the doorway activates the trap. Essentially I'm going to make a trap that goes off over the course of two rounds, though if it needs to take longer to activate so be it.

Once the trap activates it creates a greater demiplane effect then casts permanency at an appropriate caster level. All demiplane features would have to be decided upon creating the item/trap.

Ta Da, Over the course of a month of so a lower level caster with a good spell craft could have a greater demiplane available for party use before 17th level.

Here's the math break down. I'm a little unsure on this part, but please let me know what if anything needs correcting.

Greater Demiplane: [Spell level 9 X Caster level 17 X 50gp (one time use; Use activated)] /2 because it's a magic immobile trap = 3825
Permanency [Spell level 5 X Caster Level 17 (which is probably required, but is debatable) X 50 GP (One time use: use activated)]/2 Trap = 4250 + Component cost of 22500

Total market price = 30,575 (crafting it cost 26,537 because the component cost isn't reduced)

Assuming 10th level wizard is crafting this and has Permanency available:
Crafting DC= 32 (5+ Caster level 17 +5 for being too low to cast greater demiplane +5 for not having the spell available) Lets assume our theoretical wizard can take 10 and make this check. (Class skill 3 +10 ranks+ skill focus 6 + 6 Int)

Am I forgetting anything or is all of this correct by RAW?

If you can cast demiplane early from say a scroll what level do you need to be to make it permanent?

can a 9th level caster who successfully uses a scroll of Greater Demiplane then cast his prepared Permanency and pay the 22,500 GP cost to make it permanent?

The spells all say:
"You can make this spell permanent with the permanency spell, at a cost of (Varies by spell)gp. If you have cast create demiplane multiple times to enlarge the demiplane, each casting’s area requires its own permanency spell."

This thread has two purposes, though I suspect the first will be short lived.

1) By RAW are there any things mundane creatures can do to ward off magic. Things include circle of salt as supernatural blockers, powdered ash wood, etc. I suspect alchemical stuff will be in this category and that qualifies as long as it can be made without magic.

2) Are there any rules/systems that can be incorporated which add flavor and perhaps balance magic user's overpowered-ness. (Please don't debate if they are or not. I don't think they are, but for sake of argument lets just say they are.)

Circles of salt in the dresden files are good examples of what I'm talking about. Basically something anyone can do if they know to do it.

Edit: actually white ash wood from the MTV Teen wolf series is a better example. No need to infuse it with a fraction of will and what not.

I'm looking for any and all ways to meet the minimum caster level requirements for Permanency. Preferably multiple ways that all stack.

I know there's a Ioun stone that adds +1 overall CL

There's also a trait where you pick three spells to get a +1 CL. I forget the name.

Any other ways?

What are some of the best combinations of protections on a wizard tower have you seen? This can be permanency combinations, traps, general trickery, etc.

I know you can walk through it without a problem, but can you teleport or is that blocked for the caster as it is for everyone else?

Basically I'm wondering about an item that combines the features of a flying carpet and folding boat.

Would the price of 67200 be fair for a folding boat that can fly at 40' per a flying carpet? I know the dimensions don't match exactly, but I'm not sure how to otherwise adjust.

for reference 60,000 for the largest (10X10) flying carpet and 7200 for a folding boat.

Follow up question: If yes would the boat be able to go faster with sailor checks and using wind?

When you designate the single creature what are the limits?

Can I recklessly infatuate someone can I indicate someone on another continent? Someone famous, like a world leader or something.

Does the infatuated person need to even know where this person is? Theoretically they'll spend the time looking.

Does the target need to be real if the person believes they are? Can I indicate Mother Goose and have the person spend 1 day per level looking for this fictional character?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Reckless Infatuation REFERENCE:

School enchantment (compulsion) [emotion, mind-affecting]; Level bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S

Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature
Duration 1 day/level
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes

You fill your target with feelings of intense infatuation for a specific individual known to the target. At the time of the casting, you designate a single creature as the focus of the target’s desire. Thereafter, the target does all it can to remain within 30 feet of the object of its desire. If the target moves outside this range, it gains the staggered condition until it is again near the focus of its desire. If remaining within 30 feet of the focus of its affection would place the target in obvious physical danger, the target can attempt a second save to break the spell’s effect.

Reckless infatuation counters unadulterated loathing.

... Or are you just an invisible spot outlined by water rendering it functionally useless?

This spell writes stuff down at the cost of a move action every round(aka. Concentration).

If you have to concentrate on the material what's the point? Is it not taking the exact same amount of effort to actually write yourself?

Admittedly, it looks cool and very mage-y. Style points aside, am I missing some aspect of this that makes it worthwhile?

Scrivener's Chant:

School transmutation; Level bard 0, cleric/oracle 0, sorcerer/wizard 0

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (fine sand and a vial of ink)

Range 5 ft.
Target one or more written objects
Duration concentration, up to 1 minute/level
Saving Throw Will (harmless, object); Spell Resistance yes

This spell imbues a quill with animate energy and rapidly transcribes words from one page to another. The quill copies a written work at the rate of one normal-sized page per minute. The Linguistics skill can be used to make a convincing copy, but otherwise the reproduction is written in the hand of the caster. You must concentrate upon the material being duplicated for the spell's duration and provide new blank pages as required. The scrivener's chant requires blank paper and a quill or other writing materials, in addition to the material components.

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Lets say you're a wizard of indeterminate level and wealth. Somehow you are paralyzed from the waist down. You're unable to locate any magic that can fix your condition. You do, however, have craft wondrous item. You decide to build a chair that will move you about.

Like Professor X's chair, but admittedly it would probably look more like this

Lets build this item together. I have no specific budget, but lets keep it as reasonable as possible. Perhaps a low end version and a high end version.

Lets talk features then we'll move to actually starting this item.

Low end:

Functional: as floating disk or Permanent animated object legs (via scroll or hiring a caster)
Defensive: Null (too expensive and unnecessary)
Offensive: Null (too expensive and unnecessary)/ Just the wizard sitting in it.

High end:

Functional: as flying carpet (perhaps faster) and perhaps teleport X/d
Defensive: Deflection bonus or X/d emergency force shield.
Offensive: Scorching ray firing auto turret dragon heads.

Perhaps even an intelligent item that can move and take action without you.

What do you think?

As the title says. I'll start to give an example.

1) Being an immortal with an eidetic memory. Imagine having perfect recall of centuries upon centuries of life.

This is one of those things that I think can be built within the rules and for a reasonable price. That being said i'm not great at building constructs/animated objects. I need a little help please.

What would be better: permanent animated object or construct?

How big would it be?

I think teh cannon can simply be an offensive caster on the inside, but I'm open to suggestions.

Any other thoughts?

What if says on the tin.

As the subject says. If so what's the best way to optimize this?

If you could have a single spell with a duration of 1 min per level or greater last all day what would it be?

You can have only one spell.

It needs to be drawn from the druid or Wizard list.

any spell level 1-9 is game.

Arcane mark is a unique, unforgable mark that when placed on living flesh lasts for a month.

This seems rather underused. I have two questions for the community.

1) What are the standard uses of this I may be overlooking? Both spells tied to it and strategic uses.

2) How have you used it in your games? Though similar to #1, question #2 includes any homebrew spells that are related.

Thanks in advance.

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