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If you're going to use the Ranger/monk combo, take full advantage of the 2 styles at once. Dragon style obviously, but look at Crane Style to help your defenses.


some kind of aquarium on a wagon that your animal companion pulls...


Is a tower shield and bonus feat really better than a 3rd level of bard?


I've always been interested in Armor as DR, but never tried it. How well does your 1,2,3 system work? At first glance, I thought of having heavy at DR 4. Thoughts?


Second level of ranger gets you Power Attack as a free bonus feat (Two Handed Weapon Combat Style)...

just sayin


Mostly the question is...what do you do with all those feats?

Haha, Byrd...I figured your nodachi build would come up.

Ranger makes it nice to get TWF without the 15 dex requirement. Another build (without nodachi, I mean) could also stay unarmed, ala Captain Andoran. Going this route allows a Dragon Style/Crane Style build, assuming your monk levels are MoMS.


Make one up. I don't care. Is there a deity with the Nodachi?


Its called a challenge for a reason. If I wanted another build that "wins at Pathfinder," I'd have searched the threads for the uber leet haxors builds that I'm sure you contribute to.

But that's not what I wanted. I had an assumption, and I guess maybe a misguided one at that, that Pathfinder forum users had an imagination.

Its called a challenge for a reason. Right there in the title.

So, minoritarian and the rest of the forum users, I challenge you to build a holy vindicator with those requirements. If you choose not to, fine, move along.


Requirements:
Human, 12th level Holy Vindicator
2 levels each of ranger, fighter, and monk. 1 level of Crusader Cleric.
Rest HV.

Enjoy the insane amount of feats and build a crazy HV!!
Remember: HV requires either Alignment Channel or Elemental Channel.)


Oterisk wrote:

Well, if we are looking at the movie, any one man assault on the White house would require a SLIGTLY high level. But that's my opinion. For a less casty Nightcrawler, try this:

Tiefling Ninja 6 / Horizon Walker 3 / Fighter 2 can have all the necessary feats by level 11... If The Dimensional feats are considered combat feats. Vanishing Trick is a good low level concept of disappearing one place and appearing another, just takes longer. It is also possible to take the Sanctified Rogue archetype with this ninja, because it replaces class features that the ninja has.

The Dim feats are not Combat feats. But I do like this concept as most "Nightcrawler" like.


Slap Qinggong on and grab barkskin at level 4.


Another quickie...

3 levels of Phalanx Soldier would let a HV wield a Nodachi plus shield.

Fighter 3, Cleric 4, HV...


Dip a level of Unarmed Fighter and 2 levels of Master of Many Styles Monk. Cleric the rest.

He fights using a 9 section whip and the Crane Style feat chain. Flavor as mortification of the flesh (self torture).

Maybe a neutral version of Zon Kuthon.

Also, Byrd...if Torvald is a HV, is he doing greatsword and buckler at the same time?


A quickie...
The cleric of ZK should also be a monk so he can FoB with the spiked chain.


What about working towards a Holy Vindicator?


KestlerGunner wrote:

These items are described a lot in the Pathfinder fiction 'Prince of Wolves'.

They are described as an arcane form of flip book. When a page flips, it reveals a subtly different new arcane mark inscribed on the paper. The spellcaster sees and understands these sigils animating rapidly and the spell activates. You need to be able to see what you're doing.

But that's fiction, not rules.

Varian Jeggare is the character from Dave Gross' Pathfinder Tales. Riffle scrolls also appear in Queen of Thorns and Master of Devils.


If Crane Style, then 9 Section Whip.


Absolutely start with the Beginner Box. You always have the ability to switch out the baddies for different play experience.


The key is Dimensional Agility at level 7 or bonus feats that allow you to take these feats.

So far the winner is Wizard 7/Fight 1/EK...


Is level 15 the fastest level to get the feat Dimensional Savant?

My build is 8 levels of Sorcerer for 4th level spells, and 7 levels of fighter (unarmed archtype for monk weapons and Crane Style).

If there's a faster way to get it, lemme know.


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Im a big fan of the Eastern Weapons. The Nodachi can be argued for the best the weapon in the game. What's not to like about the Katana and Wakizashi? Naginata with its x4 crit. Sansetsukon and nine section whip if fighting defensively.


To clarify for future build helpers...

Will your choice of race affect your stats?


Have them fight Pathfinder's version of Kung Fu Panda's Furious Five.


I'd take a look at 3 levels of Phalanx Fighter. Nodachi and shield sounds like a good time.


Byrdology wrote:

Man! Thanks for all the wonderful ideas! I think the COCKatrice cavalier crit and glory stealer is the way to go! I'm going to play him like Cpt Hammer from "Dr Horribles Sing-a-long Blog". I'll make Him a melee monster who stands in charge lanes and blast templates at the wrong time, and whenever he is reduced to 3/4 HP feigns death and flees combat until the cleric restores him to full. And he will pick fights when the party try's to sneak or diplo their way out of encounters.

Thanks again for all the great suggestions! You have all given me a wealth of ideas for a long time to come!

Will he TWF with a Nodachi and Unarmed Strikes too? Cuz that seems kinda weak too...


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Watching their son being electrocuted by the evil emperor.


My opinion is...(meaning...feel free to disagree)...

If you're gonna run a solo campaign, run a SOLO campaign. Ditch the permanent GM-PC. Now, maybe 5 or 6 different GM-PC's spent a little of their time helping out, every once in a while, but I feel you run the risk of your perma-GM PC stealing the show.


Black market.
Hermit in the woods.
Traveling merchant.
Gather information to find out that the wealthy family on the hill has some magic items they're willing to part with.


Tell me again how you're gaining claws on this build. Sorcerer gives you 5-7 rounds of claw use. Unless I missed something.


The quick and dirty is to flurry a temple sword.

If you'd like a little defense, then dip a level of unarmed fighter and flurry with a nine section whip while crane stylin.


You also have to have in your possession the book, guide, etc that shows your traits, feats, etc.

Which books, guides, etc do you own?


I know the build will center around 4 levels of Paladin, and 2 levels of Master of Many Styles Monk, with the Dragon and Crane styles.

Would you delay entry into Holy Vindicator by 1 level to grab a level of Unarmed Fighter?


And knowing is half the battle.


Don't forget to take full advantage of Fuse Style. You have room for one more.


2 levels of Ranger, Aspect of the Beast for claws, 2 levels of Monk, Master of Many Styles, 1 level of Sorcerer.

Be a Half Orc for the Toothy trait, just remember you can't take Feral Combat Training twice.


I'm a big fan of "going with what you know." The monk knows Stunning Fist at level 1, so let's focus on that.

Here's the chassis...
9th Level Fighter (Unarmed 1), Monk (Master of Many Styles) 3, Sorcerer (Crossblooded, Wildblooded Draconic/Empyreal) 1, Dragon Disciple (White) 4

The Stunning Disciple:

Fighter 1- Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Finesse OR Power Attack, Mantis Style

Monk 1- Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Fuse Style (2), Mantis Wisdom
Monk 2- Evasion, Weapon Focus Unarmed, Mantis Torment
Monk 3- Fast Movement, Maneuver Training, Still Mind

Sorcerer 1- Eschew Materials, Dragon Style

DD 1- Blood of Dragons, NA +1
DD 2- STR +2, Dragon Bite, Improved Initiative, Dragon Ferocity
DD 3- Breath Weapon
DD 4- STR +2, NA +1, Dragon Roar

The build allows for either a STR build or a DEX build. I plan on using him as a BBEG in my own adventure path. Any tweaks either thematically or optimally appreciated.


LN Human Holy Vindicator, 8th Level
Monk (Mastery of Many Styles) 3, Cleric (Crusader) 4, Holy Vindicator 1

Monk1-Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Fuse Style (2), Dodge, Crane Style
Monk2-Evasion, Crane Wing
Monk3-Fast Movement, Maneuver Training, Still Mind, Mantis Style
Cleric4-Aura, Domain, Channel Energy (negative) 1d6, Shield Focus
Cleric4-Elemental Channel
Cleric4-Channel Energy 2d6
Cleric4-Mantis Wisdom
HV1-Vindicator’s Shield, Channel Energy 3d6

This is a BBEG remember, his tactics are to fight with only shield in hand, starting with channeling negative then using Stunning Fists.

I'll also be giving the PC's a good chance to find this guy unarmored.

Any thoughts on tweeking him for effectiveness?


Regardless what class/classes you pick, I'd suggest Dwarf for race. More specifically, a CON bonus and CHA penalty fits your numbers nicely.


There is one more option. Half elf with ancestral arms trait and a 2 bladed sword. The second end of a double weapon counts as being light in your off hand.


At the beginning of your next session, introduce "making camp for the night." Have the party set watches, ask everyone if they'll be sleeping in their armor, ask the spellcasters when they'll be recharging their spells, etc.

Then hit them with a random encounter. Simply...25% of nothing, 25% for a pack of wolves, 25% for wandering undead, 25% whatever. You get the point.


Monastic Legacy? You have monk ability Still Mind right?


Half Orc, toothy

Ranger 2
Fighter (Unarmed) 1
Monk (Master of Many Styles) 2
Sorcerer (Crossblooded Draconc, Empyreal) 1
Dragon Disciple 2

Toothy states "This is a primary natural attack that deals 1d4 points of piercing damage."

And, darnit...forgot about not taking FCT twice.

PS I'm the DM. This is a BBEG.


Let's assume...
5 BAB, 22 Strength, with a Bite 1d4, Claw 1d4, Claw 1d4 attack (all Primary).

Weapon Focus Bite, Weapon Focus Claw, Feral Combat Bite, Feral Combat Claw, Boar Style, Dragon Style, Dragon Ferocity.

The bite gets 1 1/2 times STR bonus due to Dragon Style and 1/2 STR bonus due to Ferocity. The claws get 1/2 STR bonus due to Ferocity.

So a full attack is...
Bite +12, 1d4+ 12
Claw +12, 1d4+ 9
Claw +12, 1d4+ 9

Correct?

Also, to clarify, Boar Style with Feral Combat Training makes a bite both bludgeoning and piercing, and claws would be bludgeoning, piercing and slashing?


ask your GM if the 'target' appears hostile. For example...

A wild west pistoleer...are his arms crossed, or does he have a hand on his yet undrawn pistol?


Human LE
STR 14, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 7, WIS 13, CHA 18
Monk 3, Cleric (Crusader) 4, Holy Vindicator 1
BAB +6/+1
Abilities
Fuse Style (2), Evasion, Fast Movement, Maneuver Training, Still Mind, Aura, Channel Energy (Negative) 3d6, Domain, Vindicator’s Shield
Feats
Stunning Fist, Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus Unarmed, Alignment Channel, Monastic Legacy, Combat Reflexes, Panther Style, Panther Claw, Panther Parry, Dragon Style, Dragon Ferocity

This build does require a Headband of Inspired Wisdom and a specific order to take the monk and cleric levels.

It allows for some AoO's and 7 uses of channeling negative energy. A worthy NPC, I think.


Variety is the spice of life.


Half orc with toothy, 2 levels of Ranger with Aspect of the Beast feat, then 5 levels of Sorcerer. You'll have "bite claw claw" all the time, with them sometimes powered up. Use Magical Knack trait to get sorcerer levels back on track.


I didn't say anything about Crane Style. Yes, I know it exists, and could be part of a certain build.

Actually, I guess the 3 levels of Monk comes from the fact that the feat Monastic Legacy requires the monk ability Still Mind.

I forgot to mention this. I assume a multiclass unarmed build like this would center around Monastic Legacy, but its not a requirement.

Also, if you'd like to throw in a level of Unarmed Fighter, be my guest.


Friar Tuck.


The build is a 8th level Holy Vindicator.

Requirements: Lawful Evil, fight unarmed, able to wear a shield, and channel negative energy.

Point buy: 20. Books available: CRB, APG, UM, UC.

Optimized build, or thematic build; whatever suits your style!!
Thanks in advance.

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