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Faiths and Philosophies pg 29
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I'm down for less sneak attack, and I think that reduction could be paired with a distracting strike class feature.

something like this:
1st-- alchemy, inspiration, trapfinding
2nd-- poison resist +2, sneak attack +1d6, distracting attack (as rogue talent)
3rd-- investigator talent, keen recollection, trap sense +1
4th-- swift alchemy
5th-- investigator talent, poison resist +4
6th-- sneak attack +2d6, trap sense +2
7th-- investigator talent
8th-- poison resist +6, some upgrade to distracting attack (ie target is flat-footed to up to a number allies equal to the number of sneak attack dice, but still not yourself)
9th-- investigator talent, trap sense +3
10th-- sneak attack +3d6
11th-- investigator talent, poison immunity
12th-- trap sense +4
13th-- investigator talent
14th-- sneak attack +4d6 (and +5d6 at 18)

add a talent (available at 9th) which makes you able to benefit from your own distracting attack with your iterative attacks.

another talent to be able to spend an inspiration to use distracting strike on a foe without requiring the conditions appropriate for sneak attack.


So... to be clear, you are looking for someone who is able to pilot a Valkyrie? Or are you looking for an actual Mecha pilot class?

I had thought of a tech genius who had been working on a project for an UN Spacy (or whoever) Mecha customization/upgrade which was scrapped or sabotaged because it was a pet project of someone demoted and replaced by a rival. (maybe with influence from a manufacturer who would have a product line become obsolete if the project had come to fruition)
He might not have the natural reflexes of an ace pilot, but his background would give him a leg up in pilot training should he choose to enlist.


I'm a person!

I know robotech, but would need a bit with the system. What are you looking for?


On an unrelated note, I am not above bumping my question once.


bated breath ;)


1d10 + 7 ⇒ (6) + 7 = 13
1d10 + 7 ⇒ (9) + 7 = 16
1d10 + 7 ⇒ (10) + 7 = 17
1d10 + 7 ⇒ (5) + 7 = 12

have a few ideas... if you are OK with Dreamscarred Press stuff, maybe cryptic (distorter archetype) High Theft trait.
... regarding cryptic I would suggest limiting the disrupting pattern ability. Maybe 4+int bonus/day or something


here is one... no charge halfling gunslinger


If you are in a home game (not a PFS) you could ask your GM if you could add scout archetype to be a Rogue (knife master/scout) 2... especially since what scout modifies doesn't come until 4th level. I'd suggest some buttering up first. Compliment his/her shoes then ask.


Equipment trick (scabbard) stuff could be fun. (from Armory)


Sokurah Cyclops beastmasters with packs of Chupacabras on leashes are pretty essential troops in any dragon army.


Add in internal alchemist and plenty of murky water for him to hide in while the poison ticks and so he can set up another calculated strike. I think doing unarmed > adder strike would be fun flavor -or-
unarmed > dragon style with some difficult terrain (broken glass or whatever) to charge, run, and withdraw through ...

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I'd like to see in addition to the base game a "fairly cheap" GM client.. gives you a spot for your first instance dungeon in specific starter areas; kobold warrens .. goblin caves etc.. you get an area specific "instance structure" build it with gamified world building tools with "encounter boxes" populate with area specific creatures appropriate CR restrictions and so on ... people who run it and give a positive rating and GM xp which you can spend on some vanity items..
Also once your GM XP goes up you can do higher and higher CR areas with increasing options. You could then add more GM options controlling text and AI to add plot. This would weed out some yo yo's before you get to the intricate and rewarding GM choices. Adding the ability to flag content should cover worst offenders. By the time you get an adventurer to 6th level or so you should face some decent GM work. User made content decided by the user.

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Couple of things you could do with structures to help steer the PvP... as long as you have no military structures your homestead is safe from razing (maybe even leading to adhoc trade cities with little more than bandits and bar fights to worry about). You could make the "limiter" something acceptable to those primarily to strictly interested in PvE.
Also you could have rich resources areas suitable for some sort of guild-house set up that becomes vulnerable and/or its resource sites become vulnerable to PvP attack a few hours a day. These areas would be less than ideal for gathering the more common resources which would open up trade and alt homesteads.

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Wouldn't mind being able to hang out on my balcony, and snipe the occasional wolf or pig-poacher. ... NPCs that show up when you build the appropriate structure .... established no build areas for pathways ... limited paid upkeep time and if you are gone for a couple months NPCs move in (but hold your stuff for you)

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this is the best thing I've heard since "is it alright if I stay over?"

Golarion sandbox ...with crafting and kingmaker influences? Yes! And River Kingdoms is perfect! I'm so excited, its like a Katrina and the Waves video down in here.


What you need is one type of natural attack from your evolutions, say ... tentacles. Then weapon focus (tentacle), then Feral Combat Training (UC). THEN you can flurry etc with your tentacles...


yeah man, bard... personally I'd go sandman. And just between you and me... magical lineage(lullaby) + meta-magic feat Disruptive spell. If your DM allows disruptive to disrupt psionics... you didn't hear it from me...


Tippy Fullbottle wrote:

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Stat crunch has now been updated to reflect 20 point buy, and inclusion of a campaign trait. Will redo equipment soon.

Question: is there anything PF content anywhere that would work for the classic dagger-blade-in-the-boot-tip gimmick?

Answer: Blade boot in adventurer's armory .. swift action activate, use as off-hand weapon 1d3(s) 1d4(m) 20/ x2 crit ... treat all terrain as difficult while extended (and difficult becomes impassable)...full round to retract blade.


Doom metal ... Earth, Old Man Gloom, some Oxbow. Slow heavy and atmospheric is usually good for the whole session. I used to try to have different music for multiple settings but lost more immersion from trying to find the "right" track than I gained from having music at all.

BTW much love for the music from Arcanum by Ben Houge (mentioned earlier)


They don't get countersong and fascinate, battle dance replaces normal bardic performance, this is what they get performance-wise:

from PRD:
Dervish dancers gain the inspire courage, inspire greatness, and inspire heroics bardic performance types as battle dances, but these only provide benefit to the dervish dancer himself.

Rain of Blows (Su): At 6th level, a dervish dancer can use his battle dance to speed up his attacks. When making a full attack action, he may make one extra attack with any weapon he is holding, as though under the effects of a haste spell. He also gains a +1 bonus on attack rolls and a +1 dodge bonus to AC and on Reflex saves. At 9th level, and every three bard levels thereafter, these bonuses increase by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 18th level. These bonuses do not stack with the haste spell. This ability replaces suggestion and mass suggestion.

Razor's Kiss (Su): At 8th level, a dervish dancer can use his battle dance to improve his weapons' critical range. All attacks he makes with manufactured weapons are treated as though he had the Improved Critical feat. Natural weapons and spells are not affected. This ability replaces dirge of doom.

Leaf on the Wind (Su): At 14th level, a dervish dancer can use his battle dance to evade attacks with unearthly grace and to shake off the effects of his wounds. Unlike other battle dances, leaf on the wind requires a standard action each round to start or maintain the performance. Each round it is maintained, including the first, the dervish dancer gains a +6 dodge bonus to Armor Class and on Reflex saves. If wounded, he heals 1 hit point of damage per bard level. This ability replaces frightening performance.


Yea. I agree with RedPorc's comments. I wouldn't worry about trying to learn everything ... Just skim through the races and class descriptions, read through "how combat works" in the combat section (anything within that heading that you don't understand, look up in the combat section and/or glossary or use the search function in the PRD of this site)
If you are supposed to make a character before-hand we can help, you can just keep posting in this thread when questions come up. But you should probably get an idea of race and class you would like to play at least. I see on your profile you have halfling ninja ... that's a pretty good combo.
The more you can tell us about: at what level the game is starting, your previous experience of RPGs if any, what books you are allowed to use, and how much prep work is expected of you - the more we can help.


But he seems to have a few too many arms ... 10 should be the absolute most at that level (picking nothing but limb evolutions with 1 point left over) or 12 if he is a half-elf with that extra evo favored class bonus)


DungeonCrawler_greyhaze wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:

"Force of will" isn't quite right. "Force of personality" makes more sense.

Wisdom is mainly a "resistance" ability - you do not buckle under mental onslaught.

Charisma is a "power" ability - you impose your will upon others.

This is an interesting POV, one I hadn't considered before.

I think the trouble the OP is having is discerning why an object or basic non-intelligent magic (it was argued how do you know it's not intelligent, but if it were what is the force you are reasoning with?) could be bent by someone's force of personality. Bending a sentient creature makes sense, manipulating an object doesn't really.

of course it makes sense... show them metachlorians who's boss! (speaking of force)


Everyone has their own ideal way of learning. Things should click more quickly the more they can do themselves (some people are in the habit of not switching into critical thinking mode if there is someone within earshot who has all the answers)...If they are really into it, and they have the right tools, they will learn.

One simple thing that really helped my young ones was helping them work out a "combat options" sheet with their character that includes all relevant bonuses...even though its pretty simple its one less thing to juggle in their head. When its their turn "look at your sheet, what are your options?"
-attack---------modified attack bonus----damage---------crit--
+1 longsword(fullattack)...+11/+6.....1d8+6/1d8+6.....19-20/x2
........(move and strike)....+11 ..........1d8+6..............19-20/x2
Throwing axe..................+9.............1d6+5..............20/x2
........(point blank 30').....+10............1d6+6..........
disarm............d20+13 vs foe's CMD ..etc.

Then run some strat-heavy arena battles to help it sink in. Starting with something like a few of one type of animal, then all melee skellies, then melee and ranged orcs... Arena fights can make the combat rules fun and therefore interesting enough to switch on critical thinking.


As a mad alchemist connected to a demonic cult, he has a few narcotic cocktails that they have used to shame into silence a few key officials and members of the watch (not to mention helping the cult quietly procure perishables for their rituals) PCs have had two run-ins with him..Now that the villain has a reason to law low, those who he has gotten addicted are cut off.
So the PCs come across a sergeant of the watch.. frantic, "searching" a featureless wall in an alley. Hissing "I know its here somewhere". The PCs can get enough information from to figure out that McGuffin HQ has several layers of obfuscation and scrying protection...add a couple good leads.. Maybe the watchman junkie has a near empty vial that someone in the party can identify a major ingredient which is only available in one shop in the city..
Eventually they can tail someone back to the lair's hidden entrance.. yada yada
But yea if you need to use non-detection to control the unfolding of your plot, work it into the plot and it won't seem as cheap/lame.


What about an Inquisitor(heretic, sin eater)-5/ Hungry Ghost monk of the Sacred mountain-13/ Unarmed fighter-2 (full snake style)

has decent synergy mechanically, and thematically... decent beef.
I like the idea of the steal ki and life funnel being, in his beliefs, just another from of sin eating... his peers may have exiled him for his unorthodox ways, but he has faith that his actions are just.


yep "treat it as a martial weapon" there are no caveats stated or even hinted. Not "in this situation or not that"... he flat out treats spiked chains and dire flails as martial weapon.


Sayer_of_Nay wrote:
BinkyBo wrote:
Sayer_of_Nay wrote:
BinkyBo wrote:
the most unusual/cool characters I've played with recently is a gravewalker/vivisectionist arcane trickster childlike halfling... just looks like a kid with a doll .. but is very effective w/in 30'. Spell storing returning dagger which she uses for things like disfiguring touch.

That's just creepy. O_o

But would the prestige class advance your infusion progression? Or was it house-ruled?

it would advance witch spell progression... and btw you would have to burn a magic trait on "two worlds magic" to get mage hand for the trickster pre-req..

Out of curiosity, how well does that build play out? Seeing as Arcane Trickster won't increase the DC's of your hexes, it seems like you would lose more than you can.

Not saying it isn't an interesting concept, of course.

You're right... she doesn't have hexes that require a save .. flight and disguise (to appear as children of different races when scouting so she gets a jump on them for seeming harmless)


I'd like to see some feat chains like whip mastery for exotic weapons that are no better than similar martial weapons.


Sayer_of_Nay wrote:
BinkyBo wrote:
the most unusual/cool characters I've played with recently is a gravewalker/vivisectionist arcane trickster childlike halfling... just looks like a kid with a doll .. but is very effective w/in 30'. Spell storing returning dagger which she uses for things like disfiguring touch.

That's just creepy. O_o

But would the prestige class advance your infusion progression? Or was it house-ruled?

it would advance witch spell progression... and btw you would have to burn a magic trait on "two worlds magic" to get mage hand for the trickster pre-req..


the most unusual/cool characters I've played with recently is a gravewalker/vivisectionist arcane trickster childlike halfling... just looks like a kid with a doll .. but is very effective w/in 30'. Spell storing returning dagger which she uses for things like disfiguring touch.


the reason for the text "you must choose this feat before making an attack roll" is so you can't make the roll, realize that you would still hit with power attack, and turn it on then. It has nothing to do with when that attack comes (on your turn or AoO)
now searching for something to quote I came up with this from the PFSRD that I wish I hadn't seen...

PFSRD wrote:

Attack Roll

An attack roll represents your attempt to strike your opponent on your turn in a round. When you make an attack roll, you roll a d20 and add your attack bonus. (Other modifiers may also apply to this roll.) If your result equals or beats the target's Armor Class, you hit and deal damage.

sooo... can't activate it after your turn?


there really isn't much in the way of synergy .. just toughness and a little extra AC vs other foes when grappling another and not moving.


Yea i didn't mean to say ranged... what I was referring to is that Arcane Mark is not an attack spell. The only cantrip you would be able to use is ray of frost, and that would require close range.


I was under the impression that arcane mark doesn't work because it is a range:touch not a ranged touch attack...a distinction that makes it unusable with spellstrike. Is that not the case?

Edit: meant "range:touch not a touch attack" didn't mean to put ranged in there


Hung out with my DM and told him my intentions... He said he would not allow a barb to ready an action while raging *shrug*. So now I guess I'll drop the hurling... so I'll probably stick with completely unarmed to help my grappling. So here is attempt 2
Human unarmed fighter(4) master of many styles/monk of the sacred mtn(5)
Str 18/20 (belt +2 str, dex)
Dex 14/16
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 16/18 (headband +2 wis)
Cha 10

Feats
imp grapple
(bf)power attack
(bf)imp bull rush
rhino charge
greater grapple
body shield
hamatula strike

that leaves 4 feats for style feats. I am thinking...
(bm)boar style
boar ferocity
(bm)snapping turtle style
snapping turtle clutch

The style choices are the overwhelming part for me now... If anyone has input for how to accomplish a surprise round/readied action monster or shore up weaknesses I would really appreciate it. I have until friday to figure it out.

@Brambleman thanks again... looks like MoMS doesn't stack with maneuver master... that would have been very nice ... skipping MoMS for man master is a possibilty. And yeah spear would have been perfect for a barb version. Might try that later with the DM that allows psionics for a soulknife/hurling barb ..throw spear on hurling charge and quick draw free action re-form spear for the end of charge .. tasty...


Thanks so much for this ... I always think I have grappling mechanics down until I try to explain it to my players (or when there is just to much to keep in my head at once). This really helps a lot.


My guesses would be 60' range (seems to be the norm for major hexes) Ice is permanent until destroyed... and target who has failed save cannot free itself. And if it were ever relevant, I would assume that it would be a thick layer .. maybe not really a block but more than a thin layer.


Adept channel in orcs book (pg27) gives channel energy 2/day at cleric level -3...pre reqs are divine spellcasting, summon familiar class feature, caster level4 and cha 13


First of all... you can't do this thing too often. What I've done in a similar situation with chronically skeptical players is make it sound like I'm making up the NPC on the spot... fumble around for a name or something.
Making it clear how important it is for the PC's to trust the NPC can be a huge red flag.
This can also happen if NPC interactions are uncommon. One of the peeps I play with has that problem when he DMs... when we meet an NPC (with a name!?)... time to get your dice ready and detect evil.

good input from previous posters... really like the idea of picking the "traitor' after the fact, Kaisoku.


OK here is my first attempt...it assumes that my DM will not question readying an action while raging...25 pt buy

Human barbarian (brutal pugilist)6 / unarmed fighter 3

1)barb Power attack, Imp Bullrush
2)barb -
3)fighter IUS(b), Boar Style(b),Imp grapple
4)barb -
5)barb rhino charge
6)fighter boar ferocity(b)
7)barb hamatula strike
8)fighter -
9)barb ?body shield?

Rage Powers: lesser hurling, hurling charge, lesser fiend totem

so I could (when raging) all as a readied action..
throw a drawn weapon, charge with a piercing gore or boar style, initiate free grapple from ham strike, and be ready to use grappled for cover...

Any thoughts on how similar thing could be done "better"... or if there are any problems with how I see this working?


I'm trying to build a character suited for infiltration/ambush playstyle group. Party needs some beef and foes neutralized quickly. Party is level 9 ...not necessarily relevant but we have a scout/trapmonkey rogue, gravewalker/vivisectionist arcane trickster, illusionist, and life oracle ninja...

The crux of my idea is to have my piercing attack from rhino charge (ready a charge...from sargava book) initiate a free grapple from hamatula strike.. any thoughts on the "best" way to approach this? I'd have to have at least +7 BAB and would like to avoid as many "one trick pony" feats as possible. I'm guessing unarmed fighter with boar style tree but dunno.

So the feats needed so far:
improved unarmed
imp grapple
imp bull rush
power attack
rhino charge
hamatulatsu strike


Yeah boar style allows slashing unarmed .. boar ferocity allows piercing. But I'm floundering a bit on where to go with it. Now that I feel confident about the foundation of my idea being legit I'll open a thread in advice. thanks again


Thanks for the responses ... and good catch Prof. I would say my intended use would require patience.
Haven't made him yet, but he is joining a special ops group infiltrating an area of the darklands. We already have rogues, illusionist and sneaky healer...but no beef.
My intention was for a "lie in wait...take my mark out in surprise round" plus other uses of readied action monster. I will probably skip the barbarian thing and go with boar shred for the piercing to initiate the hamatula strike grapple.


Basically what I'm asking is if the charge from rhino charge still counts as a charge for related charge abilities.


Character level 9 barbarian(6) unarmed fighter(3)
I've got rage powers- lesser fiend totem, lesser hurling, and hurling charge.
Feats include- rhino charge and hamatulatsu strike.
I've got a throwing axe... and I'm raging and readying a charge(rhino charge) conditions for charge are met...
I throw(hurling charge), I charge with a piercing attack(gore from fiend totem) which enables free grapple attempt(ham strike)...

Am I OK so far?


Did a little playtest last night with a couple people. (Was in no way an extensive test, just existing rogue and stealthy monk.) Didn't really click until we banned the question "wait.. how did it work before?"
Once everyone got a good feel for it, it felt pretty intuitive.

At that point we really started wanting two things...
Something similar to what Lore keeper suggested with putting the onus on the observer.
And a mechanic similar to Measure the Mark in cutpurse archetype (APG)... but for stealth. As rogue talent, feat, or archetype class skill.


Part of the problem is just with character generation... young newcomers often make boring cliche characters... its hard to role-play generichero genericbroodinghero etc.. What I have done with runs with the awkward youth are things like "OK everyone add a free profession" or occupation from tome of secrets .. its not much, but anything to give them a little extra to play off of helps.
If it works for you, find out if they would like to make new characters. That way you could work on their bio's with them and give them a little direction...already incorporated in the campaign world. Maybe even give them some secret knowledge...make em feel special.


I think it would be great if you amped up opportunities for critical thinking skills and creative and age appropriate problem solving... like in a description mentioning "..the thin supports for the awning hanging over the two guards who are still unaware of your presence..."

As long as it doesn't get too bloody, its mostly in the delivery of course... I'd use a lot of things like living statues, skeletons, and things that they have might have something to reference (young dragons, werewolves, dire rabbits, low morale goblinoids ...)

Sounds great though...hope it goes well!

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