And people leaving Pathfinder P&P over this.... pure foolishness. We are better off without those drama queens. This has nothing to do with the P&P.
Really? That makes no sense -- why would people do that? The presence of non-consensual PvP means that I won't play (or support via Kickstarter) this MMO, but it doesn't change my perception of PFRPG one bit.
VG the condition or "very good, I found this awesome module!"? Yeah, not sure that is VG. Maybe, maybe not, can't tell in the picture that well. And is it notched (for the bundled release of back stock in the mid- to late-80s) just above the yellow banner?
Are 1ed modules in that condition really going for $20 a pop? Got a complete set of the 1ed modules pre-re-styling (a la Ravenloft and the like) in both the solid colors and the pastels.
One of the 1,075. My list of subscriptions ebbs and flows (right now it's at an all-time low of just the AP, sadly, but it'll go back up soon I'm sure!) but I'll drop by AP sub only when it is a choice between eating or reading -- and then I'll go hungry for a bit to see if it's doable! I can't remember how many issues I got for "free", but I want to say four. By that time I was hooked. Thanks for all you do, Paizo!
Whew, was worried it was something on UPS' end. Thanks for the explanation, I've got my PDFs to tide me over on vacation (typing this not more than 20 miles from you all!). Hopefully UPS will not just leave it out in the rain (they are pretty good about leaving it on my porch or at least bagging it if they leave it outside). Thanks!
Even though the Paizo site lists order #2090925 as having shipped July 10th it doesn't show up in UPS tracking until July 17th with a delivery of July 23rd (and as of July 18th it is still in WA). As I'm out of town for a bit soon I won't be able to get the package, but hopefully my friend who is watching the house will get it. What caused the delay? Had I known I'd have probably asked for the order to be held until I get back.
I can think of a dozen APs I'd rather have before a Gnome-centric one. I'd buy it, though, if for any other reason than to not lose my AP charter subscription status. But ugh! Numeria, Osirion, Arcadia, Vudra, other planets, etc. would be far more interesting to me.
Please cancel my Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, and Companion subscriptions. I'm trying to cut back on my recurring monthly expenses and will pick up individual products from those lines as I need / can afford them. If the items from those subscriptions (Player Character Folio, Blood of Angels, and Magnimar) can be removed from the July 13th shipment that'd be great, but if not I understand.
I still very much wish to keep my Adventure Path subscription, however. And of course still want the additional non-subscription items in the July 13th shipment (RotRL and the Savage Worlds stuff).
I think the cancellation of those two magazines (though I must admit to being more partial to Dungeon -- I still have all 150 issues and a handful of module rejection letters from Roger E. Moore) is one of the biggest blunders WotC has made and a true blow to the hobby.
I had always dreamed of being published in Dungeon and the news of the cancellation hit hard. Not having time to muster up a proposal (it had been almost two decades since my last one) I decided the prudent course of action was to consider getting a letter published in Dungeon "good enough" to fulfill my dream (when the bar's too high, lower the bar!). You guys ended up publishing my letter in #150, the couple of copies of which I treasure to this day. Thanks!
There is consolation that Pathfinder rose from those ashes but I still wish the two publications were around today. Great blog and thanks for letting us peek behind the curtain!
Thanks a ton for providing feedback on the items that didn't make the cut. I appreciate it!
Pup Tent of Preparation
Regarding the spell being in italics, the template sent around for round 1 did not include the formatting specifier around the appropriate "ZZ" string for spells ("ZZspells"). I imagine a number of people probably didn't italicize their spells for fear of messing up the formatting with a bad code or doing something beyond what was asked. Is that a basis for elimination?
The three I'd most like to see (in no particular order):
1. Numeria, in the style of Barrier Peaks. At the time I didn't know what to make of "Expedition to the Barrier Peaks" but over the years it has become a favorite.
2. Arcadia. I'd love to see some of pseudo-Americas. Would love to see some Meso-American stuff a la "The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan". This could make an excellent Kingmaker 2 as well -- charter to establish a presence in Arcadia and the option of taking different routes: conquest, settlement, trade, religious crusade, etc.
3. Osirion, in the style of the "Desert of Desolation" series. Sure, we've had a couple of J* modules and a source book. A couple of PFS modules. But never a full blown treatment of Osirion. "Legacy of Fire" does not count.
Erik Mona wrote:
Maybe it speaks volumes on my maturity, but I'd be giggling non-stop at my fortune if my day job was designing a poop monster. That is pretty much the definition of "win".
Erik Mona wrote:
That's a good enough solution for me when using other rules systems with the pawns. Thanks!
Erik Mona wrote:
Awesome! Looking forward to it. Can't wait to introduce my kids to PFRPG with this.
Robots. They've been a part of D&D since the begining, they exist in Pathfinder (in Numeria). I say we need stats for them.
Robots would be awesome! Also other stuff to tie into "Distant Worlds" material.
Have they published the list of B3 critters yet?
Erik Mona wrote:
Hmmm, still hopefully will be enough for me to drop the hammer on the subscription -- I'm sooo tempted but know the early October deadline is looming. Looking forward to it!
Mistakes or due to some streamlining of the rules that we're not seeing at the moment? Particularly the second one may be a result of streamlining.
I suspect the Paizo crew will beat me to that!
Liz Courts wrote:
Nope. Unless I'm missing something. He wants (and so do I!) the beginner box art with no text on it (other than the golem in the lower right, I assume). Is it possible to get our hands on that? I'd love that as my wallpaper.
I really appreciate the change in the map folios from very AP-specific to more about the area the AP is set in. I had canceled my Campaign Setting subscription and taken that business to a FLGS that would skip the folios for me but I'm *this* close to re-sub'ing. Thanks Paizo!
While I love parts of what I've read of the book (from the PDF, c'mon snail mail, get the book in my hands!) I must agree at being a bit disappointed that the caster classes got so much love in this book. I'd have loved to see sections on staging interesting fights (the aforementioned "swinging from chandeliers"), fighting with flair, etc. Maybe that falls too much in the GMG side of things, I don't know. But I can't help but wonder what other cool stuff we could've gotten without so many pages dedicated to a part of the game that, frankly, doesn't need the help in a book dedicated to a part of the game that does.
As for Ninja and Samurai I can't help but feel they may have made excellent archetypes as well -- I'm just not sure they feel meaty enough (as opposed to the Gunslinger, which does) to stand as their own as base classes. Yeah, yeah, alternate base class -- whatever, it is either a base or it isn't. They are given the page count of base but feel closer to an archetype. Though I suppose as replacements to the Cavalier and the Rogue they do make some sense, but UM didn't have Wu-Jen and other replacements. Of course, eliminating both of the alternate classes from UC means that both UC and UM got one true new base class -- so there is some symmetry.
I guess I'd rather have seen a hardcover dedicated to Far Eastern replacements for casters, martial, weapons, monsters, etc. etc. -- get it all in one place like the old Oriental Adventures (and other ones for Arabian, Meso-American, African, and Indian analogs).
That all said, I'm not unhappy with the book. It's just that for us martial lovers I was hoping for a bit more oooomph, or at least not have our "NO FINGER WAGGLERS ALLOWED" clubhouse sign so brazenly ignored.
I'd certainly give it a go. I'm not a huge fan of magic anyhow, and this would shift some of the focus towards the martial classes. In normal magic games I almost always favor E6 anyhow, so that most of the more difficult spells are not an issue. As an alternate, I could see playing in a non-E6 game where the DM controls which spells are available -- so the difficult spells are never player-allowed. So the premise of a world where magic (and, conveniently, non-problematic magic) is discovered is very enticing.
I think it is great that Paizo ordered some copies though I've already ordered mine through FGG. Only thing I wish could be done is to have the PDF that comes with it registered here at Paizo and appearing in my downloads history rather than over at FGG's -- mainly because I'll end up forgetting it is over there, or losing my password or whatever (how exactly do we get the PDF?)
I love having all of my Pathfinder PDFs safely located here. I don't suppose there is a way that those that ordered through FGG could get their PDF via Paizo? I'm doubting it but figured I'd ask.
Regardless, though, very cool of Paizo to order a few more. I'm so excited about this. Still kicking myself for not getting the S&W one too -- but oh well, I'll get the PDF for that I suppose. Incidentally, any chance the S&W PDF will be in the Paizo store?
B/X = Basic (red box) / eXpert (blue box)BECMI = Basic Expert Companion Master Immortal rules
RC = Rules Cyclopedia
All variations of TSR's 1e non-AD&D line.
I don't want epic level content.
While I have no problem with Paizo doing an epic level book (though I rather prefer the idea mentioned earlier about a high level (12 - 20) book partly devoted to 21+ options), and accept that it would delay a book I do want, I'd only want epic level support to be a book plus (possibly) modules -- though it should be at most one module a year (if that -- worried about people that don't want epic level content cancelling those subscriptions). No AP support, at the very least.
Dark Sasha, Kthulhu, and FGG Chuck: Thanks a ton for the insight into S&W core vs. complete and the excellent review. Also thanks for the Salt Drake lair entry... Given there'll be many of those and that I may play S&W it may just be worth going with the S&W version as well.
Dark Sasha wrote:
Ah well, you don't need the newer version then. Carry on. :D
Not to derail the thread, but... really? The newer version isn't that big a change? I hadn't seriously compared the two, just knew I wanted to snag a copy of the Black Blade version before they were all sold out.
Dark Sasha wrote:
Yep, the PF version does come with a PDF. But... I'm somewhat attracted to running S&W anyhow and if the extra content is sufficiently cool -- something I need to know before the door closes today -- that'll probably push me towards picking up the S&W version of the ToH:Complete as well. As for the S&W rules book, I'll probably regret it, but I picked up the prior version -- the cover appealed to me more and I wanted it on my shelf, whereas the new version I'd be happy with just a PDF.
I know this is a lot to ask, but any possibility of posting a sample of what the S&W version has that the PF version lacks? If it is sufficiently cool I may just pony up for the S&W version too. Else I'll probably just settle for the PF version I've already ordered.
Ordered mine earlier as well, Pathfinder version. Also picked up the original S&W rules as well (LOVE the cover). Somewhat tempted to get the S&W version of ToH:Complete as well for the lairs but I think the PDF will have to suffice.
I always thought rogue would be the perfect engine for Pathfinder.
I can't express how happy I am to see both a Rogue-like and a Temple of Apshai shout-out in this thread.
Edit: And the Ultima post by ronaldsf above is spot on!
I'd love to see the same flexibility afforded paper / PDF products via the OGL extended to computer games. It couldn't be via the OGL but perhaps something that Paizo drafted separately that allowed for free use of the rules, monsters, etc. (OGC, of course) in computer games. Though I doubt that'd be legally feasible, however, as the PFRPG rules are OGC themselves and bound by the original OGL.