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1) the save or die spells

2) slumber hex

3) the save or die spells

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Take a shot every second, constantly, until you pass out. It's the only way to protect your brain cells.
Or you could just hang out and not watch it. That's my plan.
I've got wrestling to watch.

A pizza delivery guy and bad guitar music is not wrest... no wait. that might be wrestling. Never mind.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Drah,

Some days I think we need different economic ideology. Then I realize people that aren't me probably wouldn't like it much.

we give you all our money is the current economic ideology it just has a different definition of you.

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Being a troll , "Hey boss, stop..." picking them up and shaking them a little is probably seen as the equivalent of shaking someone on the shoulder to get them to notice something,something you'd do to keep a friend from getting blasted by the bard.

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Pete Winz wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

You have not.

You have cited rules text that says something else completely. There is a vast difference.

Please elaborate. How do the rules I cited say something other than what I indicated? What is the vast difference? Thank you.
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The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells.

There is no way to go from that to requiring the spell class feature. That is not there, that is something you, not the rules, are doing. In non PFS, a druid (a divine caster) cannot use an arcane scroll of spider climb even though he has the spells class feature, and a wizard cannot use a divine scroll of spider climb (probably written on bark) even though he also has the spells class feature.

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When you flurry you're two weapon fighting

When you magus flurry you're two weapon fighting.

You can't two weapon fight twice.

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Scythia wrote:

Now for something slightly different:

[Url="http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/09/25/fake-news-site-trolls-flat-earthers-with-story-claiming-donald-trump-has-gone-flat-earth/"]

Who would have thought that individuals with such stellar critical thinking skills could be so easily fooled?

I would have thought they'd be horrified

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Pete Winz wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

You have not.

You have cited rules text that says something else completely. There is a vast difference.

Please elaborate. How do the rules I cited say something other than what I indicated? What is the vast difference? Thank you.

We have been. You're not listening.

Nothing there says, hints, or even implies that you need the spells class feature, or that a wizard using a scroll of CLW has fewer checks than a rogue.

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MY life matters.

And if i don't get the new disney snowglobe for mom, I'm a dead man.

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Pete Winz wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
No. They don't. This is already covered by putting it on your class list.
Once again, I ask you to cite the rules text that supports your position. I have already cited the text that contradicts it.

You have not.

You have cited rules text that says something else completely. There is a vast difference.

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Now pictures the stereotypical commencement speech about fitting the important things in, but instead of a bucket with big rocks, small rocks, water, and gas, its a giant, 16 cats, and a swarm of beetles...

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Fergie wrote:


If you have any good ideas for protest in general, I'm all ears, especially in NYC. We could probably get Doodlebug Anklebiter, BigNorseWolf, and Freehold DM, (any other NYC'ers?), out for a good cause.

Let me know I'll hobble down there. I usually get a seat in front of the doggies.

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Pete Winz wrote:
If not, they would need also to make an "Emulate a Class Feature" check to emulate a class with the appropriate caster type.

No. They don't. This is already covered by putting it on your class list.

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Caineach wrote:
You realize US government subsidized coal and natural gas more than solar and wind, right?

NEVER! THose are good proud american american companies that would never need a subsidy! Thats for commie pinko energies!

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Pete Winz wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

I'm saying you read it wrong

There is no third requirement
There never was a third requirement.

"To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.

The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)

This obviously does not apply when you are making a UMD check: this is what the UMD check is FOR.

The user must have the spell on her class list.

This is met by umd.

The user must have the requisite ability score."

This can be met by UMD, but really shouldn't HAVE to unless you're a lucky 7s barbarian.

And you're out of what the rules say and onto what you think they mean.

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the caster level check is generally very easy, since you add your level and only need to get to their level. A first level caster has a better than fifty fifty shot at cranking out a cl 10 scroll

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Da Wander wrote:

I would say, this clearly is a case of YMMV.

SO maybe it would be best to just avoid scrolls...

You should not avoid an item just because a few people have an odd take on it.

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Pete Winz wrote:
Activating a scroll has three requirements. The description of UMD for "use a scroll" says that it bypasses one of them, specifically calls out that another must be met (with the possibility of making a second check to bypass it as well), but makes no mention of the third requirement - are you suggesting that the third requirement no longer needs to be met?

I'm saying you read it wrong

There is no third requirement
There never was a third requirement.

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I am not ignoring anything.

I am reading it differently than you are.

I am reading it same way 99% and change of players read it.

Use magic device to use a scroll lets you use the scroll.

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Firebug wrote:

Sorry, isn't heroism on the bloodrager list? So you would just use the CL check to cast from the scroll? Since the bloodrager is level 5 it is the same as the scroll. The only hangup would be the ability score, and he says he's got that.

So no UMD, no check at all. It just happens.

He doesn't have the ability score that a bloodrager would need to cast the spell.

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Bob's Feet wrote:


"...have we drifted into a Paranoia game?"

Thats the kind of question only a commie mutant traitor would ask.

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Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
He's already been President for 8 years, at this point, what difference does it make?

Look at the right wing grarg there was over how obama was the end of civilization.

Look out the window.

Now ask yourself if you should trust chicken little this time?

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Chess Pwn wrote:


Maybe I should have explicitly said, without using UMD.

Without UMD i would say no. The arcane/divine/psycic agnostic nature of the scrolls is to keep people from having to track treasure like that, not to let people dump stats.

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Pete Winz wrote:
The primary difference between scrolls and wands is that scrolls are spell completion items and wands are spell trigger items.

Why does this matter?

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Using a wand only requires that you be of a class that has the spell on its class list, but scrolls have three requirements for activation, as I cited in my previous post.

The rules do not say what you think they're saying.

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Chess Pwn wrote:

Okay, so I'm looking into something and I can't figure it out for PFS.

Say I'm a level 5 bloodrager. And I have a scroll of heroism.

If I have int 13 and cha 7 can I cast it?
If I have wis 13 and cha 7 can I cast it?
If I have cha 12 can I cast it?
Or do I need a 13 cha to cast it?

I want to convince the scroll I am a blood rager that is pretty enough to cast the spell. I Can convince the scroll i'm a blood rager I need nothing. To convince it i'm pretty enough to cast the scroll its a dc (15+13) or 28 use magic device check

alternately I AM smart enough to cast it. I can convince the scroll i'm a wizard smart enough to cast it. Already smrt enough to cast it, dc is 20+spell level so 23 UMD check..

Use the second one.

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Dr. Narsius Blote IV wrote:
(and now presumably "Psychic", although that's not described anywhere)

Psychic Scrolls

Normally the campaign does not distinguish between arcane and divine scrolls. With the addition of psychic scrolls, the organized play campaign now does not distinguish between arcane, divine, and psychic scrolls; they are effectively interchangeable.

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Pete Winz wrote:
If the character is neither, then they would need to use UMD to emulate a divine or arcane caster

Do you need to emulate a class for a spell that is on your class list?

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:
BretI wrote:
Really, most GMs just want to run the session and have no interest in screwing over characters.

This is very true.

Though for my character I was tinkering with the idea would be to sport overleveled scrolls. You can get a 4th level scroll on your 1st level character with 2PP, after all. I get the feeling that many GMs would seriously consider screwing over your character when they tried to cast a 4th level spell in a 1st tier game...And I wouldn't blame them.

a color spray with a dc 18 save is way worse than a 4th level spell with a dc 16 save.

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thejeff wrote:

. The polarization is even greater than it was in Bill's terms.

We may see what happens when Hillary wins.

Then you won't be able to tell Democrat from [ferengi]female[/ferengi].

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Unless he has some reason to distinguish his left claw from his right one it wouldn't matter.

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Lorila Sorita wrote:
Do you get to make your natural attacks when doing a flurry of blows? I thought of adding flurry of blows into the mix as well, but I am not actually sure if it works or not.

A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.

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Syrus Terrigan wrote:

If we're talking TWD levels of infestation, or World War Z, we'd eventually run out of ammo. There was a time i would have lobbied for sharp, pointy, blady things, but my appreciation for blunt force trauma has spiked sharply. A light sledge or maul, a solid piece of hardwood (bodark!!), or the best of both with a good axe.

Chainsaws use gasoline, guns need bullets, but melee weapons just need calories and will.

They put you in blood splatter range though. You're gonna wind up a zombie from a paper cut.

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Thomas Hutchins wrote:

Well a multiclassed bloodrager that goes to 5 and then switches classes only gets level 1 spells. Spelleater doesn't need a positive charisma for it's stuff. So you could have gone a smart or wise bloodrager and never use charisma. Thus being able to use that int or wis for the scroll would be handy.

yes it's not optimized, but it's not crippled trying this, especially if the scroll casting worked out for you.

I think you need to pick one path from start to finish and stick with it.

Either you're a bloodrager who doesn't have the charisma score to cast it OR you're a nobody with the ability score to cast it.

Figure out which is the easier roll and make it.

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Thomas Hutchins wrote:
I just asked a similar question and was told that if it's on your list you need to use your stat.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't WANT to do that. Presumably you have enough of a stat in your class to cast something you can afford.

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Rylden wrote:
An ogre, standing up, isn't vertical? What qualifies as a surface? I dont see how you can't say an ogres legs, back arms etc aren't surfaces you can climb on.

Kinda hunched over really...and what happens if you're on the arms and he starts swinging? Now a horizontal surface.

I mean the name of the trick is wall climber. It's for... climbing walls.

Barbarians and vigilantes get much better climbing abilities.

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I don't think an ogre qualifies as a vertical surface.

The vigilante has something like that, or just get spiderclimb slippers/ a toilet paper roll of spider climb scrolls.

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Ectar wrote:

Several questions that seems to have conflicting answers on forums, that mostly arise from the "requisite ability score" line of scroll usage:

1.) Can a level three sorcerer use a scroll of summon monster 2 without any checks, even though he can't cast 2nd level spells yet?

Yes. He has a caster level as high as the caster level of the scroll.

2.)Which mental stat must be at least 12? He casts spells with charisma, but since arcane scrolls are made by wizards, does he need a 12 int? Does this differ between PFS and regular rules?

His choice of int, wis, charisma

3.) Sorcerer gives up and hands the scroll to his rogue buddy. The rogue succeeds on his UMD check of 23 to "use the scroll". But, which attribute does the rogue need to have at least a 12 in? Summon monster is on the cleric list, too, so could he use Wisdom?

His choice of int wis or charisma.

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Ectar wrote:

Should work.

Towering Ego gives you a bonus EQUAL to your charisma modifier.

Irrepressible lets you use your charisma modifier instead of your wisdom modifier.

They do different things, mechanically speaking.

One gives a bonus, the other a substitution.

The math winds up being your charisma bonus + your charisma bonus. Which is stacking. Which doesn't work no matter how they got in the pool together.

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You don't want to take that trait, since as a mesmerist you'll get your charisma bonus to will saves anyway, and they won't stack.

Do ability modifiers from the same ability stack? For instance, can you add the same ability bonus on the same roll twice using two different effects that each add that same ability modifier?

No. An ability bonus, such as "Strength bonus", is considered to be the same source for the purpose of bonuses from the same source not stacking. However, you can still add, for instance “a deflection bonus equal to your Charisma modifier” and your Charisma modifier. For this purpose, however, the paladin's untyped "bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws" from divine grace is considered to be the same as "Charisma bonus (if any)", and the same would be true for any other untyped "bonus equal to her [ability score] bonus" constructions.
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Pete Winz wrote:
On reflection, it occurred to me that perhaps BNW may have been saying that the PC could use UMD to emulate the Spells class feature from the wizard class and activate a scroll with a spell from that class list without needing to make a separate check for using a scroll. I would agree that emulating the Spells class feature of any caster class should give you the class spell list for it, but you would be subject to arcane spell failure if you are emulating a class for which that rule applies.

No. Making a UMD check to use a scroll means you get to use a scroll.

If you could make a UMD check to emulate the spell class feature, all you'd need to do would be to make the dc 20 check, rather than the harder dc 20+caster level (just noticed that isn't spell level)

Use a Scroll: Normally, to cast a spell from a scroll, you must have the scroll's spell on your class spell list. Use Magic Device allows you to use a scroll as if you had a particular spell on your class spell list.

If you want to be really pedantic, a rogue using UMD adds the spell to the rogue class spell list.

UMD to let you use a scroll lets you use the scroll. No need to dig into the tea leaves more than that.

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Jiggy wrote:
knightnday wrote:
There are expectations that mods should leave their bad day or personal likes/dislikes at the door and comport themselves professionally, but when it is suggested that posters do the same you'd think that we're asking for the moon.
Nobody's suggesting that it's unreasonable to ask posters to behave themselves. I'm suggesting that (at least a good portion of the time) they think they already are. I don't understand how you got "asking posters to behave is being treated like asking for the moon" out of "posters don't realize they're not already behaving".

All this results in is people making passive aggressive insults instead of the outright aggressive kind.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
One thing I've learned from this, is not all posts need a response, and that I really wish Paizo had a blocking feature built in. Some folks just aren't worth the hassle of dignifying with a response.

another mage has a blocking script.

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Pete Winz wrote:


On the contrary, "Spells" is the name of the class feature that you find under each casting class.

The class features are different despite having the same name. That is why a cleric has the spells class feature and cannot cast wizard spells.

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The class spell list comes from this feature. If you don't have the feature, you don't have a class spell list to which you can add the scroll spell.

This is the entire point of making the UMD to use the scroll.

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For characters without a Spells class feature, I have always seen Use Magic Device require checks to emulate that class feature, the necessary caster stat (if applicable), and the scroll activation, so I wouldn't say that this is a new rules interpretation.

It is a new and wrong rules interpretation. Please do not spring it on players.

You would not be able to use UMD to declare a cleric scroll of invisibility, it's not a cleric spell.

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brock, no the other one... wrote:


This is why I think that if you are not a spell caster you might have to ALSO emulate that class feature to use a scroll, which would indicate whether you were casting it as arcane or divine.

"Spells" is not a class feature. "Wizard spells" or "sorcerer spells" or "cleric spells" is the class feature. When you make a roll to count as having "wizard spells" you are counted as having spells.

Please do not surprise players with new rules interpretations that no one has ever seen used before in the 20 years of the game.

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Icyshadow wrote:
I would not be surprised if a comparable list of Clinton dishonesty would be dismissed as being unfounded (or worse, conspiracy theories), or coming from an unreliable source.

The source here is Trump, on camera, talking.

Or his own twitter feeds.

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Yet a lot of people do not seem to trust Hillary Clinton all that much. Now why is that a thing?

Because she's a politician

She's not a particularly likable politician
And most importantly because she's a politician that's had an entire political machine including an news network dedicated to making up stuff to say about her , 24 7, for the last 15 years.

They do this, largely, by having an "opinion" piece saying something that isn't true, and then have the "news" piece talking about people talking about that opinion as if that opinion MUST have some validity, kind of like what you're doing now.

Peoples perceptions are not an argument for a position.

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Icyshadow wrote:

I am a dude from Finland who really doesn't have any say in the US elections, but from what I have seen and heard, there are good people and terrible people on both sides of the debate.

Saying only one side has total monopoly on all the nation's wrongs (let alone all evils in the world) is not only intellectually dishonest, but also insulting to all the people who stand by their beliefs without being terrible to others.

What's dishonest about it? Because it can't possibly be true?

Why not?

It's a long way to go from "both sides have bad people" to "both sides have a point".

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Second, the clause determining that firearms worth $950 or less are given special treatment as stolen property compared to anything else of identical value (felony theft vs. misdemeanor theft). The logic behind this strikes me as odd.

Because for finding the guy that stole my DVD player Chief Wiggum showing up, looking around and saying "nope.. don't see it" is fine but if someone swiped a gun you may want to put Benson and Stabler on it before it winds up on the black market?

Guns that people don't know you have have a street value well above their price in a gun store, and their sale brings a great deal of risk to citizens and law enforcement alike. Increasing the penalties for that in an effort to discourage it is a no brainer.

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55: Guesse whats under the dwarfs beard 20 questions.

Spoiler:
Its's chuck norris' beard with a dwarven beard in it with a chuck norris beard inside that with...

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Pet class. The Kitty of death will by far be the most effective character.

Dwarven Drood

STR: 7 DEX: 7 CON: 18 INT: 14 WIS: 17 CHA: 5

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