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Or I've seen them and I'm not impressed about how well they worked vs just jacking the DC. Pointing out that your answer was vaguely insulting was not an invitation to be more overtly insulting.
Arturius Fischer wrote:
I would hope so, because otherwise it would imply the IDF is a military entity not under control of a civilian government.
What I mean is that a lot of prime ministers came in from the military. Netanyahu, Sharon, Barak,Netanyahu :), Peres, Rabin, Shamir, Peres, Shamir, Peres, shamir, peres...
The military's opinion is thus very well represented politically.
Aaaaand now I disagree. Conditionally. So... if they have forced conscription where everyone of a certain age has to join, those people are automatically complicit and responsible for everything done by the IDF? Or do they simply not have your support? I'm OK with the latter, not so much the former.
I don't consider someone threatening to put you in jail to be justification for oppressing someone else.
That's an interesting can of worms to open. I wonder what things I can find that Palestinian civilians say about Israel. Pretty sure it's worse than not liking concrete. And yet, I still separate those from the ones who actually do terrible things.
In terms of the Israelis that hold that position their political will is enacted into policies that hurt people.
Vauge, non specific, and mildly insulting. The standard response.
David Bowles wrote:
Yeah, no. I've had a pouncing four legged weapon wielding eidolon thing to to my velociraptor what my velociraptor normally does to rogues by leaving it in the dust in terms of damage.
Summoned critters come in
Combat ends you stop counting rounds.
Next fight starts.
Summoned critters enter combat. Summoner holds action. Summoned critters die, Summoner brings in more!
So you wanted to run bonekeep on harder mode?
David Bowles wrote:
Not any more than arrows were, and those don't get to make touch attacks.
Arturius Fischer wrote:
I'm calling the arguments terrible on their own merits (or lack thereof). After long enough looking for a good argument and not finding any, you start to think they don't exist.
Its a misunderstanding. I'm hoping you'll come to find me arrogant and close minded for better reasons.
But hopefully I'm missing something. When you refer to 'support of Israel', are you referring to the nation, the IDF, the leadership, the civilian population, or all of the above?
The government (which seems to have a revolving door with the idf). The citizens and government of israel are often more critical of their actions than politicians are allowed to be in the us. This goes out the window if someone joins the IDF drafted or not. They know what they're supporting.
I can see having problems with the IDF or the leadership for various things they do. The nation as a whole or the civilian citizens? Not sure much.
Well, when some of them insist that they need to deprive people of concrete because its dual use technology then I get a little less forgiving of the citizens.
Arturius Fischer wrote:
So is the problem that he buys into bad arguments or that he supports Israel?
Both. Its a timey whimey ball. The bad arguments are needed to support Israel, support for Israel seems to be the only reason to buy the bad arguments.
Chewbaca defenses make my blood pressure rise. I'm odd like that.
Because you put a LOT of stock in what Israel says and its justifications, buying into some really, really bad arguments.
They are saying the shell didn't cause any casualties actually. An airburst shell designed entirely to kill the most people possible...
When you use the word "Actually" you're supposed to be correcting someone. You don't appear to be doing that, and you appear to be hinting at something without outright saying it. Out with it.
So why not just come out and claim a false flag operation? Because thats ridiculous with the un sitting right there. Of course they can't admit how often these things go off course, because then they couldn't use them around civilians.
Doug's Workshop wrote:
So do we also blame Israel for the palastinian boy that was taken and burned in revenge? Willing to bet some of those people had some ties to the IDF
Mostly because service is compulsory over there unless you're hasidic/ultra orthadox isn't it?
OR implying that the IDF is lying their freaking donkeys off. Your entire argument is based entirely on my alleged bias but somehow this isn't even a possibility for you.
Dear gods man, they admitted launching the shell but say its not their fault. To you that equals a false flag operation rather than implausible deniability .. HOW?
Note "complaints about civilian deaths" by CNN as if both sides were equally killing civilians. This is the "anti isreali" american media.
The palastinians have killed TWO civilians in this flare up.
Look at that bomb crater that used to be a house and tell me with a strait face they're trying to minimize casualties.
If you're a 2 skill point per level class, you're not making any skill checks anyway. If you're going to dump to 9, there's NO reason not to go whole hog and dump to 7 anyway. Skills are pretty cheap to make up for, and after diplomacy and perception there's some serious diminishing returns for skills to keep maxed.
I think my idiot diplomancing sorcerer with diplomacy through the roof has made more skill checks than my faux rogue druid with a good selection of exploring skills.
If pageant of the peacock trips your ejector seat you're going to want to bail on a LOT of PFS options.
I am very much not a fan of the feat. What it does by raw is amazing, allows you to drop barding knowledge like a bad habit, and the flavor text and actual effect are completely at odds. But playing PFS means accepting that someone else has said that a feat is legal and you have to accept that or not DM. Not DMing because of such a trivial reason is petulant.
Did you entirely miss the part where I said leave it up to the players whether to solve it as a puzzle or a skill check?
Nope. I just know how this is going to work.
Player that likes puzzles "Oo lets see A is J so b is probably so...
Player that wants to kill stuff "Blastshadow makes an intelligence check... 16. Can we move on?"
There is no functional difference between eliminating them and turning them into a skill check. If you were to suddenly polymorph every panda on the planet into a toucan, you've just eliminated pandas.
Its not semantics, they're completely different things. Some people like puzzles. You can't eliminate everything from the game that one person doesn't like, you'd have no game left.
Right. Its a canard. A hoopla. A distraction. A disingenuous talking point to ensure that NOTHING ever happens because the status quo that we have now is the absolute best thing possible for Israel. Look in this thread. Do you see how many calls there are for zero rocket attacks? Do you see people saying that the violence ends and then israel will promise to do something.. eventually?
Sometimes they do one, sometimes they do the other.
Like I keep trying to tell you: The palastinians do not have a police force capable of stopping this. They would need to be heavily armed, heavily trained, and well equiped. Israel won't let a goup matching that description exist, much less travel through the check points it has set up within the west bank.
Look what happened with the kidnappings. Not-Hamas did something, Hamas gets the blame and they get invaded. Expecting any government to stop ALL crime with 2 million really pissed off people is absurd and they know it.
Or not to blame the current generation for actions taken by their grand parents and great grand parents.
The current generation is responsible for the embargo. The current generation is responsible for mass arrests and indefinite detention of protestors. The current generation is responsible for maintaining a system of roads. The current generation has maintained the Israeli only roads and check points effectively shrinking the already tiny area of the west bank. The current generation supports denying them so much as concrete because it might be misused.
You do not need to go back a generation to find a good reason for armed resistance.
But can't expect to hear anything pro Israel from you.
Have you TRIED basing an argument in facts and evidence rather than ad homs?
The more bad arguments for your position I see the less convinced I am that there are any good ones.
And again, Israel didn't start this spat. They might have wanted it but Hamas, independent cell or not, gave them the reason/
Your designation of when this spat started is entirely arbitrary, and cherry picked to make Hamas out to be the aggressor.
Here's a difference: Not EVERY wizard does this. Sure, dazing persistent black tentacles? There goes the fight. But throwing haste on the party, buffing, damage spells that are frankly, meh will not. So you see some wizards that are breaking the game and some that aren't: it gives wizards a better reputation.
ALL gunslingers can mow things down. The class is very cookie cutter and the resulting gingerbread man just mows through things because targeting touch AC is an automatic hit when armor is supposed to be the majority of your armorclass.
We were once playing on the concrete platform of a storm drain. A few blocks up a couple of kids heard us and yelled down
"What are you doing
"Dungeons and dragons.
"Isn't that devil worship?
Someone starts to go onto their spiel about how its just a role playing game , I cut them off and sent the voice of doom down the tunnel Denstabula Punculabium , in quinitum draconis BRING ON THE VIRGIN
I haven't launched missiles at anyone. If I were to start firing missiles at angry, deprived people I'd fully expect to be blown back to the stone age. Nor have I kidnapped anyone. Nor carved their land up to give to people I like and stolen their water.
The biggest, if not only, difference there is the argument that might makes right.
Freehold DM wrote:
It doesn't matter. Far less reasonable things are believed about israel with less evidence. The truth is irrelevant, the truthiness will be unstoppable. Conversely, I think the difference between Hamas and a Palestinian terrorist not-hamas will be lost on Israel and the west.
The wizard shouldn't be able to keep it up, at least not at pfs levels. Some of the things wizards use to do so (persistant spell, dazing spell) could use a good concussion from the nerf bat too.
So a simple question I asked, how many 5 pound rockets are you ok with having fired at your house?
You asked a deliberately misleading, intellectually dishonest talking point that you are unable to justify with anything other than rote repetition. Are you anti Palestinian or just pro helicopter? How many helicopters firing rockets at your house would you be ok with? If evolution is true why are there still monkeys? Simple questions.
And tell me, what came first in this conflict, rockets beng launched into Israel or Israel attacking?
Not that it matters since it was so long ago, but Israel attacking. The invasion is a response to a kidnapping, which was a response to a bombing, which is a response to.... If you go back far enough it was a wave of illegal immigration, Israeli terrorists violence,false flag operations, kicking palastinians out of their homes and then keeping them from returning once the winner was clear. Mind you at this point that's about as relevant as thanksgiving getting its start with the pilgrims engaging in grave robbing and canibalism.
Who is Detroit at war with?
And you are. Wanting Israel to be ok with something you'd certainly never be ok with
So your charge of hypocrisy relies on your ability to look into an alternate reality AND read my mind to see what I'd be ok with.
ignoring the number of rockets fired into Israel
This has not been ignored. Its been addressed and refuted.
You cannot explain why Israel is justified for retaliating against rocket attacks but the Palestinians are not justified for responding to the helicopter attacks. Your cherry picked argument to limit the conversation to JUST the rockets demonstrates that you're either anti Palestinian or just pro helicopter.
. What did I say that was an insult?
And as no surprise you are totally unabe to give a non-biased answer. There are none soblind as those who refuse to see.
You called me blind and biased. That is an ad hom, not an argument. Note the complete, total, and utter lack of substance to anything you've said to actually make your argument.
Merely pointing out that your argument is hypocritical
Which you haven't done. You didn't even mention hypocrisy, much less demonstrated it.