Ok, cool. One more question. Can your first character for PF society be of a class not in the Core Rulebook, such as Oracle, Witch etc..? as long as you have the proper book or is there some perk you need to "unlock" non core rulebook classes?
Eyup. They're all legal choices. So are aasimar, tengu, and tieflings without unlocking anything.
The only unlock option I'm aware of is a wizard archetype.
Ok, I have another question in regards to sources. If I've purchased a source as a pdf directly from Paizo(aka off this site) and can prove I did so, am I allowed to use a printed out version of that pdf as a source or not?
Eyup. If you look closely at the bottom of the PDF it should have your name and email address there.
Careful, the last time the europeans got to do that it was the cause of a lot of wars.
Why is there a check to verify you're trustworthy? Why would they default to thinking you're NOT trustworthy unless a successful check intervenes to tell them that their original assessment of you still holds?
The murder hobo label isn't QUITE as bad in game as it is around the table... but not by much.
The black raven wrote:
That Farenheit was actually perfectly rational and sensible more than 2 centuries ago is not a very good reason to keep on using it IMO ;-)))
Its perfectly rational for keeping track of weather. 10 degrees= 1 measure of cold/hot
20 Where did they go?
Adjust up or down a bit depending on your locale.
I'm aware of that, the problem is its not active truth telling. It depends entirely on the recipient, its not something YOU can do.
Since most people don't have a skill modifier over 10, you're looking at at least a 50% chance of having your intentions not understood and there's nothing you can do about it.
I've seen it happen with a few online games with a regular group where people know each other.
My games actually tend to run with extra time, so I'm going to make a concerted effort to try to do a little more of this going forward. (the confirmation has a nice slot of the adventure devoted to it)
I see that part, Jiggy. What I'm trying to figure out is how they discern if it is a hostile action. The section you pointed me to has the guards already believing that the spell in question is non-hostile.
The funny thing is... there's no mechanic for telling the truth. "Dear Gozreh, bless this bounty which we are about to rec FIREBALL TO THE FACE!" is a bluff vs. sense motive check for a surprise round but how do you determine if they actually ARE casting purify food and drink without spellcraft? (which my druid does at EVERY meal ever since he woke up in a cult...)
I just assume that the target of the spell is more or less visible by who's being pointed at with the somatic gestures. Casting enhance diplomacy or guidance on yourself right in front of someone would be like perfuming or applying powder right there, a little gauche probably but not rude enough to incur a penalty. Casting a spell at someone (or in their direction) probably results in someone hitting the deck
The setting really hasn't gone whole hog deconstructing the social ramifications of magic. Stores would have signs saying "clerk cannot access the lemonds tiny chest containing more than 20 gold pieces", or a special roped off area or shooting range where you can face away from the counter and cast detect magic without the clerk trying to crossbow you in the face, anti teleportation bank vaults, etc.
Since the setting isn't that worried that we're all playing a game then neither am I. I might drop a warning about spellcasting at the fancy dinner party, but unless the players are trying to get the drop on charming or fireballing someone I don't usually see the need to make it an issue.
Lord Snow wrote:
Didn't try to sound arrogant, sorry about that (and also not sure why just saying that I did a complicated calculation is being arrogant.
It comes across as "I do scientific calculations and none of you obviously do"
And I don't use Celsius precisely, I use Kelvin, which is basically the same only they moved 0 down from the freezing point of water to the actual "zero heat" - the temperature where atoms don't have any kinetic energy.
We know what kelvin is.
If we're in a lab, we can use it just fine because ,as I said, when you're dealing with numbers that big you lose all form of conceptualization that you gain from dealing with the temperature in every day life.
No one needs convincing that they're a threat, they need convincing that the threat half a world a way is going to be a threat to them AND that they should be the ones to do anything about it.
Lord snow wrote:
bout measurement systems being more or less "scientific" than each other - well, sounds like you people never had to do a complicated scientific calculation involving large amounts of time.
You're getting really arrogant about something incredibly silly.
But say you had 1.48 times 10 to the power of 17 feet and you wanted to convert them to nautical miles...
What calculations do you do with Celsius?
Just another day in the magic shop business, right? Or is it time for our PFS agents to freak out and kill everybody in the shop for giving them the arcane hairy eyeball?
Wait wait wait... the guy has a lot of loot. Exactly why is the PFS agent waiting for the hairy eyeball BEFORE killing and looting?
Sheesh, give us a realistic example! :)
Lord Snow wrote:
Neither measurement system is more scientific than the other (unless you're dealing with boiling and freezing water all day) wires melt at X degrees or iron glows yellow at X degrees is so large of a number in either temperature system as to be indistinguishable, and don't relate to water any more than they relate to weather or any other natural phenomenon.
Lord Snow wrote:
Seriously? 12 inches for a foot, 3 feet for a yard, 1760 yards for a mile? is this some kind of joke? who came up with that nonsense?
People that didn't have access to mass produced accurate and standardized measuring devices.
The foot isn't named that at random. You literally measured with your (booted) foot.
When you work with centimeters, meters and kilometers there's really no room for error, and following the decimal system is really smart. Same goes for using Fahrenheit to measure temperature, using ounces and pounds to measure weight, acres to measure area, and gallons for measure volume. Whereever the metric system is streamlined and logical, the imperial system is clunky and confusing.
I mostly agree.. except for temperature. If you deal all day with boiling and freezing water i suppose celsius makes sense. If you deal with ambient temperature in a temperate climate Fahrenheit makes a lot more sense. (0 is about the coldest day of the year, 100 should be the hottest)
@BNW - For the most part, this thread isn't talking about how NPCs would react to you after feeling themselves make a saving throw against the spell you cast on them. It's about how they react when someone to whom they're indifferent starts casting a spell. Some GMs are saying that NPCs would be shoot you in the face before you finished the first finger-wiggle.
I'm sure some NPC's would.
They're not useless, any more than getting a reaction if you walk into a restaurant holding a two handed sword invalidates the two handed sword. They're just not the invisible, undetectable solution to everything.
People can tell when they're under a zone of truth if they make the save: if they can't recognize the spell they still feel it.
Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.
Leaving people wondering just WHAT you tried to attack their minds with. I can't imagine that getting a very friendly reaction.
Even in PFS there aren't rules for everything.
You are not hanging out with the right mad scientists...
Which is problematic, because it makes running into the cave the same thing as running right at the minotaur.
If you put him 60 feet off to the right you give the party the chance to run into the cave if they want.
Well that's just it, there is no one world wide (or even culture wide) standard for a lot of real things in the real world, why should something in a fantasy world be different?
If you grew up with dogs your whole life, can tell a happy dog that wants a belly rub from one that wants to eat your face then there's nothing to worry about. If someone's from a region that doesn't normally keep them as pets then they might freak out.
I don't think this should be golarion wide, because golarion is a big place willed with a lot of different cultures.
A dog hops up on your couch do you
1) shoo it off
For casting detect magic
In absolom, a passing magistrate corrects your grammar.
(the inner sea world guide lists magic as getting rarer the further you head away from the inner sea region)
A) While evil characters are disallowed, are [evil] spells still ok to cast in moderation? Could a character who is neutral on the good/evil axis cast a few [evil] spells every now and then if they needed to?
Eyup. As long as you're not a cleric of a good deity you're good.
Likewise, what happens if a character starts out as good or neutral, but falls/turns evil at some point during their lifetime? Do they become unplayable and are you forced to roll a new character if the fallen PC was your only one?
Because PFS is episodic it is very difficult if not impossible to slowly inch your way down the slippery slope to evil. Anyone can DM pfs, and you don't always have the same DM (the ability to trade out that duty is both one of the strengths and weaknesses) so while they may have see you callously fireball someone that may or may not have had one coming, they don't see you do it EVERY week to the point that you're sliding from neutral down to outright evil. It varies a bit from DM to dm, but for non paladins its more or less "don't burn down the orphanage and I won't move your alignment"
Andrew R wrote:
reality be damned this is not the cause they care for
They do care, its just a little more ingrained and offset by the fact that
1) its easier to see the people at the top than at the bottom. (and in this case, often 6 feet under)
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Which gives around the same percentage as women on the boards of FOrtune 500 companies. If the safety net is a myth because some people fall through, then so is the glass ceiling for the same reasons.
You cannot have a conversation about a group as large as the human species or a concept as broad as society without being able to talk about a numbers game and generalities: it can't be done.
Poverty IS the safety net.
Homelessness is the sharp rocks Jack goes homeless, Jill gets wellfare
Or 4 times more likely to die violently.
9 times more likely to be incarcerated.
Why should I retract it when you're proving it for me?
Ok, this is for a PFS character yes?
To the best of my knowledge, all of the critters are legal. Once you see a critter you like You can (and SHOULD) see what the source for the critter is and then check the pathfinder society additional resources to see if its legal.
In PFS, a level of druid does not "unlock" all of the critters for the other mount classes. If you want to have any critter you want, you need to be either
or some mix of those. (list complete to the best of my knowledge. Do not use if nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant...)
If you want to fly, a small character on a pterodactyl or dire bat may be your only hope.
If you want a gryphon, consider a summoner with a good strength score and a lance.
Guy Humual wrote:
The same attitude towards people that causes one causes the other. Its not insurmountable, but it is rough.
Dex- because you're a swashbuckler
Yes. Having your 5th/6th most important stat at 13 is a bowling ball.
The MONK is making MAD jokes.
Mercy 0f Spades wrote:
Ain't no rule against it. Only downside is you'll know common and no ethnic language.
What, exactly, is a level 1 Swashbuckler supposed to do? He's not going to take Weapon Finesse, because he's getting it for free next level. He's not going to invest in Strength, because he's getting Weapon finesse next level and this is a class that's obviously supposed to prioritize Dexterity anyway. Beyond Paizo's fear of dip levels (which is completely unfounded in this case, as a two level dip in Fighter beats a one level dip in Swashbuckler any day of the week and twice on Sunday), is there any particular reason the Swashbuckler shouldn't get Finesse at first level?
they've realized this and are probably going to fix it.
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Did Julio leave a threatened square adjacent to Tarquin? I suppose the lack of an AoO is due to Tarquin dropping his dagger, but why did he drop his dagger? There's no rule saying he has to drop his dagger to dodge a harpoon. Either way it's fiat.
Grabbing onto an airship speeding away is a withdraw action if I've ever seen one. The first square (all Tarquin threatens) isn't counted for the AoO.
Sir Frog wrote:
All three (four, actually) musketeers should be viable builds underneath the umbrella of the swashbuckler class. DEX and STR should be useable builds, because CHA is what really matters :)
And... they're not. Currently the best swashbuckler by head shoulders and loincloth is AM SWASHBUCKLER.
Look, this is like the announcement of an electric car. You keep saying "i want it to seat 8, I want it to seat 8, I want it to seat 8".... as if seating 8 were more important than being an electric car.