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Thanks, I'll check it out


I'm looking for a Pathfinder game to join near Burbank CA. I just moved here, and the local gaming store down the block closed about a week after I moved in. I work 2nd shift, unfortunately, so weeknights are out, but Saturdays are typically open for me.


Yeah, usually the short and long descriptions would disagree if there was a copy/paste error, but they both said Improved Trip. That doesn't mean it wasn't a copy/paste error, but I will talk to my DM and likely house rule that it should be Improved Reposition until there is a clear FAQ/errata on it.


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Why in the world is this the only "strike" feat that has a requirement of a different "Improved" feat than the strike functions as? The pre-reqs say "improved Trip." Does this seem wrong to anyone else?


How would a +5 longbow stack with +1 Brilliant energy ammunition?

I assume the shot would be +5 Brilliant energy?


Alright, so from what I can tell in the Core book, the only types of transmutation effects that are limited to one effecting a character at a time are from the polymorph subschool.

So, a few scenarios that I am trying to figure out:

It seems logical to me that Divine Vessel, which is alignment transmutation, could stack with fiery body, which is a fire transmutation.

On the other hand, even though I can't find anything that I think specifically prohibits it, I don't find it logical that fluid form, a water transmutation, would stack with fiery body, a fire transmutation.

Any one of those three, however, should stack with, say, Giant Form, since that is a transmutation [polymorph] (obviously size changes and bonuses do not stack).

Thoughts?


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So, something doesn't add up on the Wild Talents ability. first of all, it says it replaces the same thing as the rage powers ability replaces (favored enemy 2-5), and it starts at 6th level, gives a benefit every 5 levels thereafter, but says "(to a maximum of 4 times at 20th level)". maybe it;s my math, but 6 plus 15 is 21?


I allow charge attacks to be resolved with vital strike feats. I was looking at a build I was working on for a mounted character, and the lance and spirited charge feats multiply damage on a charge. How would you rule this interacts with the vital strike damage? does only the base damage get multiplied on the charge from these abilities, or would the vital strike damage as well?


There were none in Bestiary 1 or 2, I haven't had a chance to check all of 3.


yeah, that's what I figured too, but I could hear the voices of some rules lawyers trying to argue the other way.


Does a phase arrow pass through magic armor, or is magical armor considered to be a "magical barrier" that would prevent that?


so I didn't read all 850 posts... but my whole gaming group of several years wasn't aware this last weekend that invisibility gives the attacker +2 to hit while invisible.


I hit the rider and the horse, but the check against the horse failed, the check against the rider succeeded...


What happens if the trip attempt from a toppling spell overcomes the CMD of a mounted character? Some options:

- He falls out of the saddle
- He can make a ride check to stay in the saddle equal to the CMB check that overcame the CMD
- Nothing because he's seated not standing
- It effects the mount not the character

Any ideas? or is this kinda a houserule situation?


So I have only skimmed the messages, didn't want to read 285, so pardon me if this came up somewhere else before... but as with all archers, their greatest weakness is WIND WALL.

My current campaign has a paladin in it, and I like giving him some evil stuff to smite, just for the fun of it, but the BBEG also has mercenaries in his employ... lots of CN mercenaries. So even if the BBEG is evil, a lot of his guard who can easily get in the way are not. They are just greedy CN merc's.

The other fun thing to do with Paladins, is have them fight an anti-paladin, and they can smite each other :)

Anywho, that's what I recommend, throw in some wind walls (even if they are easily dispelled, still takes up other actions, and prevents the one turn KO). Get some CN mooks to fight him (I find a Kensai who has the magus arcana that can make an attack a Touch attack to work well).

And if it has to be an evil dragon, he would know the peril of fighting a Paladin all to well. I don't think you played it stupid. And hey, sometimes it's fun to let the players have a gory quick victory... for now ;)


arioreo wrote:
Wind wall?

THIS! Negates all attacks with arrows and/or bolts. Hello mook minions with one spell prepared.


As the title says, we ran into a situation just a minute ago where my paladin player wanted to use both of his smite uses during the same battle, one on each of two different targets, one after the other.

RAW doesn't give any restrictions. So would you allow the Paladin to make a second smite declaration before the target of his first smite was dead?


Umbral Reaver wrote:
I don't care for the OP's post, but personally, I don't believe Paizo has the skill to create epic level rules that work. This is not an insult against them, because I don't believe anyone on the planet has the skill to create epic level rules that work. An overhaul of the 1-20 rules are required first, and I'd rather wait for Pathfinder 2 before seeing epic rules.

Actually, they can be done. I ran a 3.5 campaign up to level 35, houseruled a lot of it. But it worked, with parity of power. Two of the PC's were vorpal'd in the second to last fight, and three of them died in the last fight, even though they were able to resurrect them immediately.

It was fun, memorable, and one of the PC's became Bahamut, who had been killed by the BBEG.

The focus wasn't so much on creating more epic abilities, but making the abilities the players had more difficult to resist, and making them more competent through continued feat and ability score progression.

It can be done, done well, and can be fun!


FallingIcicle wrote:

I have two major problems with scrolls and potions.

First, I, as a player, avoid "wasting" my money on expensive, one-use items when that money could have gone toward a permanent item instead.

That's the way I have thought in the past, and my players think too. but the more I look at the utility of them, as well as the fact that anyone with a high UMD check can make use of them, I'm becoming more convinced that they can be real game changers.

AS I have been preparing for my campaign I was building a higher level Kensai as a potential enemy for the players. I figured out that with some not too difficult UMD checks, he could use both versions of spell immunity, and he could use scrolls of globe of invulnerability (and lesser). The player's party's only full caster is a druid, otherwise they have a bard, kensai, and paladin caster. I do have a GMPC sorcerer with them right now, but that is a very fluid situation, and basically so I can learn and playtest wordcasting... and a wordcaster is also a very good option to use scrolls with.

Anyways, my point is, my preparations as a DM have led me to believe that a lot of potential danger for some characters can be muted or even removed by a scroll or two used in the right place, that a cloak of resistance, or armor, or anything else would not be able to accomplish.


So, I have come to decide that scrolls, and probably potions/oils, are the most overlooked magic items used in the games I DM for. I haven't used them much myself, to be honest. But the more I look at them, the more I am thinking they should be a very high priority for pretty much anyone.

I'm getting visions in my head of making a super charismatic fighter who can fill the roll of the caster via scrolls, but still lay the smack down as a fighter... because he's a fighter.

Does anyone else find that scrolls are overlooked? or how useful are they in your games, and how are they typically used?


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I beat a drum at 3 AM as loud as I can every day, and then the sun comes up later. Therefore, I make the sun come up every day, so you all need to thank me =]


I hope my post wasn't snippy... I was tired and crashing when I wrote it. In my group though, as the GM, I have to find ways to provide challenge to anything like that, so I immediately go to "how can this not be as overpowered as it seems?"


Do you know how high touch AC can be on a lot of characters at level 20? I'm not 100% familiar with the bombs rules, but I am aware that through luck, morale, Dex, Deflection, and other modifiers, it is more than easy to get a touch AC over 30.

Also, I'd have to look this up, but do bombs make it through a wind wall or other such effects? And what about a wall of Force, or prismatic sphere? WHAT ABOUT THE EIDOLON BEHIND YOU READY TO BITE OFF YOUR HEAD!? Okay, now I am just making stuff up... but there are ways to counter it, I am sure, that would be pretty easy for any appropriately CR encounter.


Bog wrote:

Unfortunately, I'm in the 'hating (Overland) Fly'-camp as well.

The smart people in this threat responding with the encounter-ideas of lava-columns or trees with strong wind etc. might take a note from 'Table 4-5: Wind Effects on Flight, pag. 97'. The only way a medium-sized wizard is affected by any kind of wind, is if the force of the wind is that of a windstorm, and the only slight danger said wizard might endure, is only when the force of the wind is that of an hurricane. Which is cool, I guess, if your PC's are on the Elemental Plane of Air all the time.

Even with the penalties to Fly of strong wind conditions, the generic wizard has such a large bonus to his Fly skill, that any difficulties when flying become obsolete. (Half Caster Level (~5) + Good Maneuverability (4) + Fly Ranks (~12), versus DC15 or DC20)

Effectively, the Wizard who did not shun the Overland Flight-spell, is now immune to >70% of all hazards presented in your average Adventure Path, for >9 HOURS a day (so; the whole day, every day)! Combine this with Invisibility of any form, and out go all arguments about the Wizard sticking out as a target..

Good DM's of this forum who DO like flying PC's; Do you only put your players in abandoned mine tunnels all the time? Or maybe everyone in the entire world that is the potential enemy of your heroes carries Scrolls of Web. What if the flying PC is also invisible all the time? Do you like to only target the other PC's with your 'bound to the ground'-monsters and villains? Have you actually ever tried to run an Paizo AP, which is mostly outside, with some flying characters???

tl;dr: I don't like the ease of availability to be able to fly. The consequences of being able to fly are so immense, almost no other ability any Class has at equivalent levels has the same game chancing implications. Also, Fly as a skill is IMHO not nearly limiting enough to bother about once you have some ranks in it.

PC's playing smart and using their abilities to their advantage is only really a problem when the NPC's are played without the same focus on intelligence and tactics. Everyone in the game world should know how important the spells fly and invisibility are, so everyone, in my opinion, would do something about it.

Why would the enemy not have flying monsters? Why would he not have See Invisibility or Invisibility Purge, or True Seeing? Why would he not make the entrance to his inner sanctum a tunnel that disintegrates you unless you step on the floor tiles in a certain pattern?

I have only ever read and played one adventure module, I run homebrew campaigns. My players use fly and invisibility all the time. Guess what? So do their advesaries. My NPCs fly, teleport, go invisible, use fog clouds, glitterdust, they set traps (even ones surrounded by permanent antimagic fields), employ or summon multiple types of creatures, get robes of eyes, etc...

Just because fly makes a lot of the normal normal environmental challenges less useful for a while, doesn't mean there aren't a crap ton of other environmental challenges and encounters that are viable and useful. You just need to find the ways to make their use of the spells benefit the experience, not take away from it.

Also, one more thing. I used to struggle with feeling like the PC's were ruining my plans a lot more when they came up with ways of circumventing dangers. But look, wheather they had to walk through it or flew over it, they beat the challenge, right? And you can always reuse the challenge in a different place since they don't know what it was now, right? And you as the DM should be the player's biggest cheerleader. Be EXCITED when they do things well, and push yourself to be more inventive and creative and make the challenges different and more exotic, and in the end, more fun.


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I love what Monte Cook said at a seminar at GenCon a few years ago. Instead of restricting what the players can do, try making challenges that REQUIRE them to use their abilities. That way the players feel good that they can use them, and the GM feels good that he doesn't have to worry about them being used at more unexpected times.

Can they fly? make the enemy castle a floating one that they have to fly to, then they get to make the spell useful, and you get to keep it out of the way of the challenges where you don't want them to fly.


ProfPotts wrote:
Jadeite wrote:
The ninja does not have to be the one feinting.

Feint text...

'If successful, the next melee attack you make against the target does not allow him to use his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any).' (core book, page 201; emphasis mine).

... So unless there's some Feat or something which allows you to Feint for other people, and the Ninja two-man insertion team happens to have it, then no, you can't get your buddy to Feint for you.

Luckily for Ninjas everywhere, lots of Barbarian players throw caution to the wind and take archetypes which remove their Uncanny Dodge Class Feature (Invulnerable Rager I'm looking at you...).

Read the teamwork feats from UC. There's teamwork feinting and AoO's. Also, not all assassins work alone...


Davor wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:

The title says it all... both use your int mod, but one is EX and one is SU, so would the bonus to AC stack?

Source doesn't matter, only type does. The bonus from Canny Defense is untyped (it adds Intelligence to Dexterity), so yes, they stack.

I think by RAW I agree, it just seems odd to be able to use the same stat as a bonus to the same thing twice?


The title says it all... both use your int mod, but one is EX and one is SU, so would the bonus to AC stack?


Matt Stich wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:
So, I'm my group's GM. I just am. There are a lot of reasons why, but I really want to be a PC too. I would like to know how play-by-post and other forms of gaming work so I can figure out my other options?

This may not be what you want, but my group tonight used a webcam because I live 100+ miles away currently. It worked alright, but you need to make sure the microphone on their end is good enough for you to hear them.

We had a little bit of an issue with the die rolls on my end, but we fixed that with a little finagling of an alarm clock and the webcam. Not too bad.

well my computer is definitely capable of doing that pretty well, but I kinda don't even know how to go about finding a group, since I kinda made my group happen by getting my friends into it.


So, I'm my group's GM. I just am. There are a lot of reasons why, but I really want to be a PC too. I would like to know how play-by-post and other forms of gaming work so I can figure out my other options?


One handed weapons can be, light weapons cannot.


That's how we usually interpret it, just good to have support/confirmation in the matter


The short description says it affects sonic spells, the long description says it affects force spells.... I assume the longer description is right?


FarmerBob wrote:
Theo Stern wrote:
Or protection from alignment, if you know the alignment

Love it! BBEG keeps three 1st level "interns" around to cast Pro from Good, Pro from Neutral, and Pro from Evil on him at the start of combat if the Inner Sanctum is breached. Problem solved, lol!

Actually.... that does sound wickedly effective... thanks community :) I was about to go and give all my guys scrolls of spell immunity, but you brought to light the usefulness of a spell that I almost never considered using, except when the Intellect Devourer is involved :)


Theo Stern wrote:
Any mid to high level wizard worth his salt will have mind protection.If its not a creature that has immunity to mind spells you are giving up a character action to make the monster/NPC give up its action. I only see this working well in a situation where there is one opponent and the party has action economy. In my experience, in those cases, the party usually wins quickly anyway

Mind blank doesn't give immunity to mind affecting effects, only a +8 to the saving through, and my point was that making the saving throw is the worse option. Mind blank is also an 8th level spell, so only high level Casters have access to it.

I am thinking spell immunity and/or globe of invulnerability is actually a more potent defense against both Frigid touch and Terrible Remorse.


And what I am saying, is that having a spell where failing the save is a better option than passing the save is not a good thing to have.


do you really want a spell to exist where it is better to fail the save every time?


I know that an erratta/faq has already been posted about this spell, but I think there needs to be another look taken at it. If this spell is spammed, you can hold any creature not immune to mind affecting effects in place and make them do nothing if the save is failed for as many times as you can cast it.

I would think that wands of Terrible Remorse would be in super high demand, and weeping and wailing would be going on all across Golarion. Imagine a 3rd level party of 4 armed with 4 wands of terrible remorse, going up against a 20th level wizard... the wizard will pass every save, really, and therefore have 200 rounds of being able to do nothing? that is an imbalance of power, in my humble opinion.

Oh, and Frigid Touch, staggered with no save as a 2nd level spell? that will kill a spellcaster really fast if he is threatened by someone who has disruptive and/or spellbreaker, which the Magus can now get as arcana.


My first response would be, what do you mean by unexpected trouble? Do you mean, they get around your plans in a way that you didn't expect? That they become extra mischievous?

I, as a GM, have had to struggle through my players often trying to use things in "unconventional" ways. I am slowly letting the reigns out more and letting more of their plans succeed, because hey, if it makes sense, let them do it! It's more fun for them, and my role as a GM is in helping everyone have fun. That has pushed me to be more creative, pushed my "on the spot" GMing to newer levels, and put more inventive and difficult obstacles in their way.

I can't think of any spells that have caused any major issues. Detect Magic is always one that can be hard to remember exists. Detect alignment. A lot of little things. I would recommend you think more in terms of, "Hey, that's a great idea, and my villain didn't think of it, but now his boss knows, and next time will have counter-measures in place" I think you will be less frustrated as a GM, and the players will be more satisfied in overcoming more difficult obstacles.


I think it would be more appropriate to do the diminished spellcasting as it is done with other archetypes, where you get one fewer slot than what is listed. The spells known is already limited enough for a sorcerer, knowing one less than listed is a bit harsh.

This is especially true considering the additional penalty of the -2 to will saves.


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Does the ring of evasion give you the ability to evade in medium and heavy armor, even though the class ability does not?


Remco Sommeling wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:
A Man In Black wrote:
Make them chase enemies into crowds,
You just gave me a fantastic idea to throw into my game... The "terrain" is actually helpless innocents tied vertically to posts in the ground. Let's see the Hero's use AoE attack effects then ;) Especially since my players have a Paladin in the group. Yummy idea, thanks!!
I used this.. unfortunately the mystic theurge had selective spell, burned the boggards to crisps.

I hope he had prepared all the spells that way, or was he spontaneous caster? also, I am thinking like, almost every other square, not just a few. I think someone in Razmir's employ would employ such a dastardly tactic.


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A Man In Black wrote:
Make them chase enemies into crowds,

You just gave me a fantastic idea to throw into my game... The "terrain" is actually helpless innocents tied vertically to posts in the ground. Let's see the Hero's use AoE attack effects then ;) Especially since my players have a Paladin in the group. Yummy idea, thanks!!


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So, I asked this in the rules Q&A at GenCon, and was told to check the online FAQ, but it hasn't been posted yet... so I want to see what most people would say.

The crossblooded sorcerer archetype drawback says it knows one fewer spell at each level than is presented. This would seem to keep the sorcerer from knowing any spells of the next highest level on its progression until an additional level later. Getting spells one level later than the WIzard is already bad enough, but 2 levels later is kinda crazy. I have currently house ruled that it is minimum one, but would like some other reactions.


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The key is that it is on each extra dice roll not on each extra damage die. Vital strike lets you roll the dice one extra time, improved twice, and greater three times, so the extra damage from the feat is only total +2, +4, or +6 respectively.


Not that I want to add pressure, but just got back from GenCon with my UC, and wondering when the material from that might make it's way in? :)


Cheapy wrote:


Most of the broken things power-wise that I have seen is from Paizo. Hello, synthesist.

SGG is good quality. Their main guy even does stuff for Paizo.

The blanket denial of 3rd party stuff just seems silly to me.

It's not a blanket denial of 3rd party stuff, it's more of a money thing, streamlining thing, and name brand recognition thing. For example, there are certain car brands I would not buy, I only buy nintendo Brand accessories for my nintendo systems, There are certain brands of computer and computer accessories I won't buy.

I know Paizo, I have a relationship with them, experience with them, and have found the balance to be very good in all respects, and my entire gaming group does min-maxing because we think it is fun. I allow lots of non core stuff, do plenty of homebrew stuff, and am willing to listen to any requests from my players on stuff they create.

That being said, I still would rather have more Words directly from Paizo than needing to rely on 3PP, since my group tends to stick more with the core products.


Dapifer wrote:

My apologies, I meant how well does it stack up against normal spell preparation, in other words, what would a Wizard say about using WoP instead?

I really like the concept but I don't know for certain if it would be too crippling or confusing, from what I can gather, a fire ball would be a 5th level spell if I got things right

Burst(1lv) Fire Blast(3lv) Boost (1lv)

I can get the idea of Fire Blast having less AoE than Fire Ball without the boost, but the Burst word says it's Lv1, so it would add a level to the spell right? meaning that Burst Fire Blast as is, is level 4, and boosted in order to compare with Fireball, it's level 5.

I am pretty sure I am missing something here... could anyone elaborate?

Typically, only the effect words change the level of the spell as per the chart on pg 164. The level of the Target word is the minimum spell level the wordspell needs to be to use that target word. The Same is true for the meta words, but the meta words might change the level of the spell, if it is listed in the description.

you got the right spell level, but for the wrong reason I think. In this case, you are modifying the word Burst with the word Boost, at which point you can select a medium range 20 ft burst for a +2 level adjustment, or a long range 40 ft burst for a +4 level adjustment.

I think the system is less useful for prepared casters, even if they do get to use more of the words. You won't be able to truly mimic regular spells, but you can get somewhat close. The main idea here is flexibility. Know you're going up against that pesky Red dragon? well instead of burst fire blast (3rd lvl spell), just swap out a word and apply a metamagic feat, and you have an intensified Burst Frost Fingers and you have an iceball spell, max 10d6 of dmg, 10ft radius, and possibly stagger a creature, 3rd lvl spell.


Dapifer wrote:
Add one +1 to the tally for me will ya? I endorse this idea as well, I like the Words of Power and will be trying my hand with them on my up coming campaign, is it really lacking comparing to spell preparation?

I'm not quite 100% sure what you mean by hat last sentence, but it seems a lot more useful for spontaneous casters than prepared, imho. I'm trying it out with a sorcerer starting from level 1 though, and it seems really fun so far! Complex, yes, but a lot of fun :)


Liz Courts wrote:
Words of Power is also Open Game Content, so any 3PP could pick the idea up and run with it. :)

Yeah, as with the above poster, my group tends to steer clear of 3rd party content for our games, mostly because we aren't sure they put as much care as Paizo into trying to maintain system balance, and because we already have a lot of books to keep track of just keeping pace with core :) We love Paizo the best!

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