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My question: Has WotC asked the same thing from Paizo?
When the first Adventure Path and creatures for Golarion came out, and later on, up until now, we are told time and time again of how the setting is Old School in style and inspiration.
Disclaimer: I AM a huge fan of Golarion. Don't get me wrong.
My fear is that the more we detail the setting, the more what we end up getting is 3rd edition's Forgotten Realm's Campaign Setting in supplements, aka a uber-described setting down to its last details.
This is NOT what I call Old School. Golarion is NOT the World of Greyhawk or Grey FR boxed sets. This is not the Wilderlands of High fantasy. These settings give a frame for the DM's imaginations to run wild. The more you describe these settings, the more you run into AD&D2's pitfalls of describing too much for not enough adaptability, imagination sparkling value.
The very text of the Pathfinder Campaign Setting reaches back to 3E's FR campaign setting rather than any previous edition's settings.
What do you guys think? Is this a fair assessment on my part?
For some time, I've been wondering if D&D was truly "D&D". I defined the latter as a complementarity of characters, a search for treasures and accomplishments, a management of resources... lots of things.
The more I read about 4E, the more I believe it is "D&D".
Is it the "D&D" I want to play, though?
And there, we are stepping away from any reasoned argument towards personal definitions and experiences of what "D&D" may mean to one or the other.
One definition is not better than the other, much like one gaming experience is no better than another.
We are gamers. We make different choices based not on what is mechanically "sound" or not, but on what we like, feel we are able to use and tweak, or not.
D&D 4E does not seem to be the "D&D" I want to keep playing. But others may make a different choice. And it may still be "D&D".
The bottom line here is that we may not agree on WotC's choices, modus operandi, PR, ways of belittling previous editions of the games, its fans, and so on, so forth, but this has nothing to do with the actual mechanics of the game and whether it "feels like D&D" or not.
Let's separate experiences and opinions from ethical disagreements with WotC. That's what I mean. And before anyone asks, yes, I anticipate to stay with 3.X, PRPG, whatever OGL material is out there, for a long, long time.
James Wyatt wrote:
Would you be interested in such a product for 3.x?
You can read more about it here: montecook.livejournal.com
and here: ezboard.com/fokayyourturn
Monte might publish it.
Monte Cook wrote:
IMPORTANT: The POLL on OYT.
Thanks to Jaws for the post's template!
Rise of the Runelords seems to have its share of wilderness adventuring, village/cities investigation and dungeon delving. Seems to be a bit of everything, in fact.
Curse of the Crimson Throne seems to be an Urban AP. True/untrue?
The third AP (what's its name again?) would be an Underdark AP. True/untrue? Something else?
Is there a pattern here showing that different Pathfinder APs will have each a focus on a particular environment?
I started to draw an alternate map for Varisia, and I would like to know a few things about the one that appears in the RotRL player's guide.
From what I see, there are five major woodlands in Varisia: Mierani Forest and Lurkwood to the North, Churlwood, Sanos Forest and Ashwood to the South.
I would like to know the wood composition of these areas. Which are mostly composed of deciduous trees, which are coniferous, and which are of mixed composition?
Erik in his post about Paizo's conundrum right now was talking about the possibility, if the company stuck with 3.5, to release a new set of 3.X core books that would integrate with the rest of the Pathfinder/GameMastery universe and feel.
Wayne Ligon, later, was talking about the possibility to work on something integrated to Pathfinder akin to Monte Cook's Arcana Unearthed.
Which made me wonder...
What if there was a Pathfinder 4.P RPG ?
See, what I dislike with WotC's 4E at the moment is the whole "let's milk everything" marketing, PR, digital initiative, redesign monsters and basic feel of Fourth Edition.
But what if the rules themselves rock? Provided there's an equivalent to the OGL and/or d20 License, wouldn't it be possible to produce something akin to Arcana Unearthed with alternate classes, races and such that would depict the particular feel of Golarion just like AU used the Diamond Throne as a "default" setting and basically help the dungeons and dragons we love to survive while riding 4E's wave at the same time?
If anything, this could be used just like AU, as an alternate source of house rules for particular games. It would only enrich the 4E experience, appeal to those who dislike Wizards' approach, and would plant the seeds to make Paizo more independent in regards to a fifth, 4.5 whatever edition?
How do you guys feel about that?
A summary of all the stuff on the blog so far:
You asked for interpretations as to the way the symbols of the sins were designed the way they are, so here's my shot at it:
Wrath: The horns of the bull. Impulsive, violent passions.
Pride: Someone lifting his arms above his head as a sign of personal victory and inner pride.
Envy: The upper contour of the eye and the narrow pupil. Envy shows itself by the way we "look" at each other. It is in the beholder's own eye.
Greed: a clawed hand grasping the triangle (a thing, a diamond) for itself.
Gluttony: A bloated body contoured by the arms holding its own tummy.
Lust: A tongue? A sexual/phallic design.
Sloth: Somebody lying down with his arms stretched above his head.
It becomes harder and harder to find the original Tome of Horrors in print. I think a Tome of Horrors Revised in print would be a great commercial success.
Granted, I do base my opinion on sporadic observations over the internet, and internet doesn't make a rule. I must precise, however, that I've never seen a fan of the original ToH who would not buy a revised print edition.
I've got the 3.0 edition in print and the revised PDF. I would buy an updated reprint in a heart beat, and all the fans I read would do the same.
Furthermore, using ToH monsters along with Pathfinder would just make sense, given the old school inclination of the book series in some instances, like the presentation of the world through the adventures instead of a dry "campaign setting" thrown wholesale to the masses.
Whether grognard or noobs to D&D, I can't see any gamer who wouldn't profit from the contents of the ToH. I have all the MMs and numerous monster books whether they'd be OGL or d20 trademark licensed. Monster Collection, Ravenloft, Arcana Unearthed and Iron Heroes, etc ... you name it. ToH is easily the non-WotC resource I use the most in our games. I suspect many, many fans of DnD and the OGL would do the same if given the occasion.
I think a print version of the revised Tome of Horrors would do good to us all. Please? What do you think?
I would love to be able to order D0: Hollow's Last Hope. I am not in the U.S. but in Canada, and I don't think I'll be able to take avantage of the Free RPG day since the closest FLGS is at about 500 km from my home.
Will it be possible to get it from Paizo's online store? I would prefer the physical book, but a PDF would make a fine compromise too. Thanks for your attention!
I don't know for you guys, but sometimes for me it's easy to come up with names for elements (nations, NPCs, deities) of a campaign setting, and sometimes it can be a real pain in the butt.
When purchasing a new setting, the names chosen by the authors participate heavily to the flavor of said setting, and are thus part of the first impressions I have about the new product. They may, or may not, draw me in.
Now, Varisia, Thassilon, Lamashtu, Karzoug, Desna... I really dig these names.
Thassilon. I can feel the ancient empire just by saying the name. Nice!
Hello everyone !
Reading through the preview of the Rise of the Runelords goblins got me completely psyched about them. Me and my dearest have even started working on an actual TUNE for the goblin song ! We've had fun all evening with this (and would send it to you if you'd like to have a look !). :)
My question would then be: will there be miniatures comparable to the Game Mastery/Compleat Encounter/Ptolus miniatures that would release to represent these little guys (and other PF unique monsters) at our game table ?
I would LOVE to paint and use these guys in our games. I love Wayne's work on them.
Hello Paizo and fans.
I've just heard the sad news and me and my dearest are completely devastated. Dragon and Dungeon are both institutions of gaming, and I really can't express the sadness I feel rushing through my heart right now.
I'm also happy Paizo moves on with new projects and endeavors. Erik, James, Josh, everyone: I'm in, guys. I'm going to support and help with Pathfinder. I already converted my "credit" with Paizo.
Please relay my compliments and admiration to all the staff. You guys rock. You should be proud of your accomplishments!
It's been a while that Monte Cook has been writing his Dungeoncraft articles for Dungeon magazine.
A few weeks ago, the subject of a compendium of all the Dungeoncraft articles into a single volume came up on his website (www.montecook.com), and Monte had this comment about it: "When I write a collumn for Dungeon, I'm selling it to Paizo. I think it would be very cool if they collected them all into a book, but that's up to them."
So I just put it to the attention of fans of the magazine and push the topic back to the people deciding here: Paizo's staff. Would such a compilation volume be at all possible? I for one would preorder instantly. *hint hint* ;)
Thanks all, take care!
Hello everyone !
I received Dungeon #119 one week ago, but still didn't receive Dungeon #118. I just read about other people having the same problem in this forum.
I hope you can do something about it (my shipping adress is in British Columbia, Canada).
Thanks you all very much,