BenS's page

I was wondering if we don't start a more obviously named thread where all of those wishing to donate a .pdf can coordinate? I think we must be up to around 6-8 copies on offer so far.

Cheers,
S.

Probably a good idea.

Some last suggestions.

There are a handful of Knight & Paladin classes for GH done up in LGJ (in Dragon & Dungeon).

For example, Dungeon #113 has the Knights of Holy Shielding; #104 & Dragon #306 have lots of GH deity-specific paladins; Dragon #317 has "The Ranger Knight of Furyondy"; and Dragon #355 has a F/MU class called "Eldritch Warriors" (I haven't compared it to the Eldritch Knight).

Also, I'm not convinced the Knights of Luna need to be F/MU's. Even Melf has only 4 levels of Wizard if I remember correctly. Though I do like elves as F/MU's personally.

Knights of the Hart is the "triple order": Furyondy; Veluna; the High Forest (these are all elves). Though they are noted (LGG) as being compatible w/ the Knights of Luna in terms of mutual assistance.

I think Eldritch Knight or Abjurant Champion work instead of a dedicated PrC for the Knights of Luna.

There were some knightly Pr Classes done up in odd issues of the late, great (and sadly missed) Living GH Journal, but I don't remember Luna being one of them.

EDIT: You might want to check out Canonfire to see if they've been statted up.

Sold. Thanks.

I'd like to see a more organized and regular system for the 'minipaths' that have popped up over the last two years.

Right now we have Falcon's Hollow series, Entombed with the Pharaohs series, Last Baron series and I think one more that is escaping my memory.

I love having the minipaths, but I'd like to see them be a bit more regular. I propose once or twice a year a 3-part miniseries that could expand on things not big enough (or maybe popular enough) for a full adventure path but something the fans are still clamoring for.

Examples would be:
Alkenstar
The Shackles (we need us some pirates)
A prequel trilogy to The Demon Within
Viperwall

just as a few examples.

What do others think?

I like the idea. We currently have 6 modules per year; why not dedicate 3 of them to a minipath?

Btw, the post-Kingmaker AP I believe is going to be set (or start) in The Shackles. And I think it'd be risky to have 3 adventures revolving around Alkenstar (similarly w/ Numeria), as while some of us would dig it, others would not. Best not to gamble on sales like that.

BenS wrote:

Can someone tell me more about the miniatures counters included? How many, are they the appropriate sizes, and most importantly, where does the art come from?

Thanks

Well, the mini counters are for 1 inch & 2 inch. The 1 inch have 49 to a page and the 2 inch have 9 to a page. The artwork is from our Image Portfolio series.

Do you mean 2 inch by 2 inch for Large-sized creatures (3.5) or 2 inch by 1 inch...(3.0)? Just curious. I'm going to get this anyway, as the price can't be beat, but I'm a counter (Fiery Dragon) fanatic.

BenS wrote:

Monte's "Champion" is exactly what I'm talking about (I have AE).

The Holy Warrior from the Book of Righteous Might (and Unholy Warrior from the Unholy Warrior Handbook, also by Green Ronin) is *perfect* for this sort of thing, as it can be used to make a 3.5 Paladin right out of the box. Convert the 'paladin' version of the Holy Warrior up to Pathfinder standards, and you should be able to reverse-engineer the other options as necessary to make *dozens* of customizable Holy (or Unholy) Warriors.

I love Monte's stuff dearly, but his Champion is, IMO, weak, even by 3.5 standards. He seems to have a much better feel for innovative spellcasting classes, such as his Magister and Witch, while his warrior-classes, the Champion and Totem-Warrior felt sub-par ('though fascinating!).

Excellent. I'm horrible at comparing and balancing classes, so you and Hydro are very helpful here w/ points of reference. I'll be all over the GR Holy Warrior if I need to do this for PF; though I'm still hoping Paizo does it for me (cue Carly Simon's "Noooooooobody does...it better...") ;-)

BenS wrote:

no need to repeat myself...

This is basically what Monte Cook did for the "Champion" class in his Arcana Unearthed book. You could be a Champion of Magic, Light, Dark, Strength, etc. It was really customizable - people created all sorts of champion ideas. I really do like that concept, but I kind of feel like it waters down the core Paladin a lot. The Paladin, as it exists now, is such an iconic lawful good hero... you really can't get much closer to the "shining knight" examples from Arthurian fantasy.

I guess it all depends on what kind of campaign you want to run.

Monte's "Champion" is exactly what I'm talking about (I have AE). I just think that it could be rebuilt so that the Paladin is ONE way to build the concept, but not the only way. For those who love Paladins, they lose nothing; for those who like the overall concept of a Divine Champion but want it more customizable, we win too! So win-win ;0

If you're looking for more inspiration, you should also check out The Book of Righteous Might by Green Ronin, which has a customizable "Holy Warrior" class that, like the champion, takes on different aspects of its god's domains - so, you can be a Holy Warrior who follows follows the Dwarven God of Creation and choose two domains from Earth, Guardian, and/or Creation. The domains grant level-based powers that replace the standard paladin powers (if you wanted to create a standard paladin using this book, you would have your holy warrior pick the guardian and champion domains). The only thing is that it's the older 3.0 rules, so it would take a little more tinkering to convert it to Pathfinder.

There is also a "Paladin" class in the Spirosblaak Campaign Setting (also from Green Ronin) that divides paladins into Good, Neutral, and Evil classes, and gives them different powers and spell lists based on their ethical alignment (but there are no mechanical differences between a Lawful Evil paladin and a Chaotic Evil paladin). This one was based on 3.5, so it'd be a lot easier to update it to Pathfinder.

I have both of these products, but haven't devoted time to looking through them. If I end up doing my own homebrew class, I will certainly incorporate them. Thanks!

As for the classes in the upcoming Pathfinder book, I think I'd rather that Paizo focus on creating entirely new classes versus just "here's a whole bunch of non-LG paladins." I can pretty much do that myself. I'd really prefer totally new concepts and mechanics for classes. That's why I'm really excited about the Alchemist class.

Well, I'm not good at crunch, so the "do it myself" is not my preferred option. But if I have to, I certainly will. Thanks for all your comments.

I don't know if this has already been posted in this thread, but here goes:

For a few years, Dragon magazine used to do an annual issue that had a collection of monsters, spells, equipment, weapons, armour, etc.

Using that idea as a base, what I would like to see is a Pathfinder Annual. It would feature all the monsters, spells, magic items, feats, skills, etc. featured in the preceding year's adventure paths.

Instead of having to search through the various AP issues, everything would be collected in a single reference book for that year. Sort of a mini splatbook - call it a dripbook

The dripbook should be small enough to keep the price down, but contain enough information to make it a worthwhile investment.

Also, folks who don't subscribe to the adventure paths can still pick up the dripbook and enjoy the critters and doo-dads. Since they can't order the combo, maybe they'll order a la carte?

Start w/ Rise of the Runelords + Curse of the Crimson Throne, updating everything to PFRPG, and you've got a winner. It would be good to get all that stuff in 1 volume; whether it's every 2 adventure paths or even more. It'd keep the price down and be a great reference material.

Can someone tell me more about the miniatures counters included? How many, are they the appropriate sizes, and most importantly, where does the art come from?

Thanks

I also wish there was a gift certificate available to handle stuff like this, hopefully it'll be forthcoming eventually. I guess the easiest way to do it is through paypal transfers.

I think the whole idea of gift certificates has been on Paizo's to-do list for a while, but I'm not sure when they'll get around to it. It is a great idea.

And thanks for picking up on the spirit of this thread. I seem to have created something that's taken on a life of its own.

Paizo, if you're reading this, I hereby pledge to give out 2 $50 gift certificates to select fans once you've implemented gift certificates.

The following is for Paizo eyes only; don't look everyone else!!!

I was disheartened to see this thread had so many more posts than its counterpart.

But then I read through it and saw how the majority of posts are the clerics & heavy armor debate raging once again.

So now I feel better about this thread.

I'm not downplaying the heated emotions this one debate continues to bring up, but I was a bit worried that there were a ton of (different) things people were complaining about. It will be a while before I get to fully read through the book, as I'm not done w/ 3.5 yet, but I'm sure by various postings and snippets I've read that there will be things I don't care for. But taken as a whole, my early impressions are quite favorable.

To add to the thread's purported purpose: I don't like sneak attack working on undead and constructs, which I've stated elsewhere. I'm also not fond of the racial bonuses to attributes that make little sense to me, but that's ok, I don't have to incorporate anything I don't want to.

People are free to take and use what they like. Paizo has been upfront about that from the beginning, I think.

I already posted initial impressions in the other thread on this book, but had a few new thoughts.

1) Oracle remains a great concept but poor title for this class. My suggestion, YMMV: "Channeler".

2) As 1 of the 2 unnamed classes has been intimated to be the new Blackguard (or Anti-Paladin if they go old school w/ it), I'm really hoping they use this opportunity to blow open the whole concept of Paladins in general.

To me, the Paladin is just one example of what a "Holy Warrior" could be, and why should only LG gods get to have such a champion (or CE gods get the obvious counterpart)? I put this thought aside until some years ago when, in Dragon #310 & #312, articles were written to explore all 6 good & evil alignments. Essentially, Paladin & Blackguard were given equivalent classes for the other 4 alignments.

I put that thought aside for a future homebrew adjustment until just this past year. I then took the idea one step further. Really what D&D needs is a base martial/divine class that can encompass not only all alignments, but even basic domain-like concepts (e.g., war; strength; balance; etc.)

New idea and suggestion for this 5th class: (Divine) Champion (I know Paizo likes the 1-word titles...). Why limit yourself to the Blackguard as a base class when you can expand out the idea behind Paladins & Blackguards to include everything I mentioned above? The versatility would be fantastic, and no longer would the default divine champions of yore be limited to the Arthurian hero/anti-hero. Why can't other gods have their own divine champions w/ completely different paradigms? Try imagining a divine champion for a god of magic, for example? To the horror of many on these boards who complained about clerics losing Heavy Armor proficiency, such a divine champion might look very different from a heavily armored paladin, even if the alignment was still LG.

You get the idea.

I now have the book. Thank you very much.

Whoa! Only took 2 days to mail from coast to coast, that's awesome. I'm glad you have it for the weekend.

And a special thanks to damnitall22 for offering to pony up for a few pdfs. That's the spirit.

I have been thinking about this last idea for a few days. Since you asked, I'll toss it out, but I doubt it is something Paizo would be interested in.

I have been wanting a adventures written and designed for a GM to run with ONE player. Lots of roleplaying opportunities, and combat can be real and truly nasty, just with more limited opponents or quantity of opponents.

Krome, I think there's a thread in Product Discussion about a collection of 1-on-1 adventures (11?) converted to PFRPG. FYI.

As for the Summoner...The mechanics remind me of the psionic astral construct rules from 3.0, very much a "build your own monster" power (seems like in 3.5 you had to choose from a set of prebuilt monsters). I think it sounds neat.

Just a small correction. 3.5 was still "build your own monster", but the "prebuilt monsters" came from Complete Psionic and the Ectopic Adept prestige class. Not everyone was a fan of this particular book, as you might have heard.

Anyway, my 1st thought on hearing "Summoner" was pretty much yours. If they could translate the psionic Shaper class to an arcane Summoner class, I'd be quite happy. Rather than just an enhanced version of a wizard specializing in summoning. And D&D really does need an excellent Summoner class.

Wes, I loved all your comments about how to flavor the many variations possible for a Summoner!!!

Last note: yeah, Oracle is just a bad choice of words for this class, as many posters have already pointed out.

I have a simple question, and apologize if the answer should already be self-evident, but...

How did this company get permission to do a Warlock class? I assumed that since it was from a splat book, it was not OGL, and thus off limits. Clearly I'm wrong, but how exactly is the question?

Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

lordzack, if by any chance you're still following this thread

I'm very heartened to see this news, as I don't think Paizo's in any rush to address psionics. Nor do I think their heart's in it.

As for reading through that 14 page thread Erik started about psionics, yeahhhh...I guess you could. I can only read through so many posts by people clearly ignorant of how 3.5 psionics worked w/out reaching for a stiff drink. Depressing. I didn't have the strength to try to stamp out the same old weak arguments over and over...kudos to those of you who stuck through it!

Anyway, keep as close as possible to the 3.5 book, w/ obvious tweaks and errata, and a PFRPG upgrade, and you'll have a great product. Best of luck.

1. Greyhawk

2. Planescape
3. Dark Sun
4. Glorantha (early Runequest)
5. Al Qadim

Golarion looks awesome, but it will be a few years before I actually play in it, after wrapping up other campaigns. I'm sure it will be at the top of a revised list at that point.

Gah! Someone reminded me of Monte's great work w/ Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. So I'm going to make that a tie w/...crap, I don't know. The shades of difference are so slight it probably doesn't matter.

Thanks for the responses, everyone.

For those of you interested in a Blackguard that may or may not officially show up, I'd highly recommend getting a copy of Dragon #312 for the "Reavers of the Divine" article. It follows #310's "Champions of the Divine". Basically, the Paladin is just the LG version of 1 of 6 holy/unholy warriors; a fantastic idea to my mind. These are 3.5 so it wouldn't take much work to convert them over to PF.

Ok, 5 potential winners, so a percentile roll coming up; the only way to be impartial about this:

lordzack (1-20)
Ramses (21-40)
lastknightleft (41-60)
Rezdave (61-80)
brentnorton (81-100)

Drumroll...(rolls a 10). Congratulations lordzack! Now the tough part, having to say sorry to the others; wish I could afford copies for everyone who couldn't! :(

lordzack,

My special sympathies for those of you who might be currently unemployed. Hang in there!

Well, I'm off to bed for the night, but so far looks like I won't be needing that D20 to make a decision after all! LOL

I'll check back tomorrow night and make the call then so as not to drag this out.

Krome wrote:

This was debated ad nauseum for over a year. I can't believe it is coming up yet again.

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary

Each individual monster (including undead) in Bestiary will indicate it's resistance to Sneak Attack. Some may have have resistance, some might have no resistance, some may be immune. Depends upon the monster.

Really, this is ancient history and been discussed and debated to death. Time for it to rest in peace.

Not everyone was here for every big argument during Beta. I was here and I was only able to absorb about a third (at best) of all the major issues and controversies.

So rather than snark at people who are coming in late, just lay out the conclusions and (if necessary) link to the relevant threads.

@Krome, I did not know this in detail, so thanks. That sounds more hopeful than blanket immunities. I'll wait for the Bestiary to check this out more before making my final decision.

And as delabarre indicated, not everyone was wrapped up in the Beta threads (I pretty much ignored them to be honest). So it was a surprising (and unwelcome) thing to read about.

Don't descend on me like locusts, but, I accidentally bought a 2nd copy that I'd like to give as a gift to someone.

Only a few preconditions: you must live in the U.S. (since I'll spring for the postage); I'd strongly prefer if I "know" you from the boards here (sorry lurkers!); and I have a few of you in mind already.

My 2nd copy has a few creased pages (about 17 pages w/ 2 creases, about 15 pages w/ 1 crease); though this is not the reason I'm giving it away. Just want to be upfront about that. Nothing that interferes w/ legibility by any means; it's only an aesthetic consideration.

I'll check in on this thread later tonight, and again tomorrow after work (Pacific Standard Time). If there's an easy way for me to choose (like rolling a D20, for example), that might be more fair than 1st come, 1st served.

When I pick the winner, I'll do so here and post my email address so we can confirm the details.

Good luck.

Anyone know why the following were not included in the PFRPG: Archmage; Blackguard; Dwarven Defender (!); Hierophant; Horizon Walker; and Thaumaturgist?

Obviously I know why Red Wizard (of Thay) didn't make it ;-)

Of those, I'd only miss Blackguard & Dwarven Defender really...

BenS wrote:

Wow, am I the only one who doesn't like the ability to sneak attack (corporeal) undead, (some) constructs, and plant creatures? Guess I lean towards the Simulationist side of things.

This will be my 1st houserule; keeping sneak attack like it used to be.

Watched many zombie flicks? Just loaded with crits-on-zombies. Their hard-to-kill aspect is reflected by their hp, they still have weak spots.

Plants definitely should be crittable too.

Zombies are just 1 type of corporeal undead, though. I can't buy into it for all corporeal undead. To me, sneak attack remains believable only if it's closer to the old backstab; it's against a vulnerable organ or headshot on a corporeal, living creature.

As for plant-type critters, I just don't see it, sorry.

Anyway, I like D&D where certain classes shine in certain moments. As Beckett alluded to w/ undead (we've already got clerics and paladins for them). Hence the houserule comment.

And now the obligatory "YMMV".

1. Greyhawk
2. Planescape
3. Dark Sun
4. Glorantha (early Runequest)
5. Al Qadim

Golarion looks awesome, but it will be a few years before I actually play in it, after wrapping up other campaigns. I'm sure it will be at the top of a revised list at that point.

Wow, am I the only one who doesn't like the ability to sneak attack (corporeal) undead, (some) constructs, and plant creatures? Guess I lean towards the Simulationist side of things.

This will be my 1st houserule; keeping sneak attack like it used to be.

As a player & DM, I like this being 1 big book.

But. Most players are not DM's, and I'm curious why the decision was made to combine what has traditionally been 2 books into 1 book. If I were only a player, I would have a hard time w/ this book being my only option.

I haven't made up my mind on a PFRPG "lite" book yet, so no comment...

Got my copy of PFRPG in the mail today (yay!) and was reading through it, only to discover about ten pages in a row that we pretty badly crinkled up (like someone partially folded them back ontop of eachother then closed the book on 'em).

The pages are still readable; but it's definitely not pretty to look at.

Still, an awesome product and worth the money, I think. Hopefully this is just a fluke.

Ok, I just spent an inordinate amount of time looking through every page. Twice (I accidentally ordered 2 books. D'oh!)

In the 1st copy, I see what you're saying. Pages 161-169 have 2 creases; pp. 170-184 only 1 crease; and 185-192 back to 2 creases. Nothing too terrible.

In the 2nd copy, very small, single crease on pp. 317-320.

So I guess there's no pattern. Even if I only had the 1st copy, I'd be fine w/ it. I'm more worried about the binding holding up over the years to come. I think, unlike my separate PHB & DMG books for 3.5, it'll be harder to keep this book pristine throughout its lifetime.

Miyazaki-san can't make his movies fast enough for me. Yeah, I'm excited, although I don't expect it to be one of my favorites.

Same here.

Here's an upcoming cool addition to the adventure:

The Elysium Gem by Colin McComb

Sweet, thanks for the heads up.

I'm showing that this shipment consists of:
Order #1211525 which contains
1 x Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL) Hardcover
2 x Pathfinder Adventure Path #25: The Bastards of Erebus (Council of Thieves 1 of 6) (PRPG) Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Chronicles: Legacy of Fire Map Folio Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils (PFRPG) Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Module: Crypt of the Everflame (PFRPG) Print Edition

and
Order #923078 (placed 3/28/08) which contains
1 x Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL) Hardcover
(and a previously fulfilled 1x Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beta Release Print Edition)

Unfortunately, since the order has already shipped, we cannot modify it.

If you need to return one of the copies of the book for a refund, you can certainly do so. Just send it back to us (please put Attn: Store Returns on the package). Please include the order number, a brief description of the problem, and whether you would like a refund in store credit or to your credit card.

I think ultimately it was my own mistake. I had assumed that the pre-order from 3/08 would be cancelled when I ordered it later, but that must be only for the RPG sub line, which I haven't picked up. My bad. I'll find a home for it no doubt.

Thanks.

Sorry, those troops are the pcs' army.

So in your scenario are the Crafters really Ethergaunts?

Yes. The pyramids & gone-for-millennia angles work perfectly.

Sounds like you have things well in hand, thanks to Rezdave, one of the unsung heroes on these boards. I've never known how to handle mass combat. Hopefully Paizo addresses that in the near future!

I googled and went to his art home site. I liked his art work. For those curious the URL is here

Thank you for that! I've bookmarked it. Now we just need him to start publishing books of his artwork. He's got some fantastic stuff on there. The funny thing is, I've liked him for a while now but in my head see mostly his b/w stuff for Malhavoc Press. The color stuff is damn good too!

As for the book itself, I'm sure Wes did a bang up job; a real labor of love. Can't...wait...

The following products are included in this shipment:
1 x Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL) Hardcover
1 x Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL) Hardcover
2 x Pathfinder Adventure Path #25: The Bastards of Erebus (Council of Thieves 1 of 6) (PRPG) Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Chronicles: Legacy of Fire Map Folio Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils (PFRPG) Print Edition
1 x Pathfinder Module: Crypt of the Everflame (PFRPG) Print Edition

I responded to the email, but since this is about to ship I'm going to post it here as well.

I believe there's an (expensive) error in this order, and that is the 2nd copy of the PFRPG. I only ordered one copy as far as I know; it's the PF sub that gets 2 copies (properly noted above).

Thanks.

Yes, get better soon! But not too soon (i.e., don't rush it)!

I'm trying to come up with a series of attacks/events for a general campaign event: (and would appreciate suggestions.) What I'd ultimately like are elements that would suggest a gathering force large for attempting to assault the city, trying to get in. The pcs have an investigative mission to do involving the pyramids but I want this as a major distraction.

1. Exag is being occupied by the pcs. (for those aware it is being set in my undead war campaign and is a path along the way of the 'Rescue the Queen' adventure.

2. The city is much as described in Dungeon, but now add on about 1,200 troops including:

3. Perrenland embassy has become an allied Trade Envoy setup, but is basically the same.

4. Green Welcome element removed entirely.

5. Yak-Folk are changed to being part of the wererat cult in my game. (So for example Banfar has a cane with a cat's skull instead of a rat's skull for flavour)

I don't have any real suggestions, but partly b/c I'm confused as to what's going on here. Are the 1200 troops the undead invaders? Or defenders to fight them off? In either case, what about those sweet, high-level "doomsday" options the Cult of the Crafters has by sacrificing the high priestess (elemental rampage, I'm looking at you)?

Just a few days ago I wrote up something about the Ethergaunts (Fiend Folio) returning to the Prime plane after their 10,000 year absence. I made Exag one of their former bases on Oerth. This may or may not give you some ideas (i.e., they attempt to reclaim it by force).

I need to go over my old contracts and see if I can legally reprint the Maps of Mystery in a collected volume. I believe most of them have a clause in the contract that allows the artist to have his or her work reprinted in books profiling the artist.

If that is consistent, I might have the wherewithal to do so.

!!!

Chris, please do look into this. Those maps are freakin' awesome and I would buy a collection of them in a heartbeat! Thanks so much for at least giving me a sliver of hope!

I have been reading the first one thus far, but I was wondering... considering the definitely Arab feel of this Adventure Path, has anyone already adapted Legacy of Fire to Greyhawk (Sultanate of Zeif perhaps)?

Well, don't you need access to nearby mountains? That might rule out Zeif, though Tusmit has the Yatils on the eastern border. Ull might even work if you had more settled cities/towns than appear on the map. Then you could use the Ullsprue Mountains and the Barrier Peaks ;-)

Or you could just make it a pre-Twin Cataclysms campaign and plop it somewhere in the Dry Steppes near the Crystalmist Mts and/or the Sulhaut Mts.

My PCs are going after an Eldritch Giant that commands a gang of Stone Giants. This just kind of came up on short notice. I was just wondering if anyone could point me towards a particular issue of Dungeon with a dungeon that would fit for this purpose.

I don't have time to write much up, I could improvise it, but I would rather have some published material for at least a map and some interesting ideas.

any suggestions?

Dungeon #118, "Shadow of the Abyss", takes place in a fortification in Sterich (Greyhawk) taken over by giants, w/ a dragon to boot as an ally.

I haven't looked through it, but I imagine "Kings of the Rift" from Dungeon #133 includes a giant stronghold as well (part of the Age of Worms AP).

Those come to mind, and I'm sure someone like Rezdave could point out more.

BenS wrote:

References are made to Hydrodaemons et al. from Tome of Horrors Revised and so not statted up. But I don't own that book. Can I hope to see these creatures in the PF Bestiary? Otherwise, how do we stat them up?

TOHR is one of those books we assume most people have because it has SO many monsters from the previous editions.

Fortunately, there is also an OGL Book of Daemons with those writeups here: http://www.traykon.com/pdf/book_of_daemons.pdf

BenS wrote:

But the references to Slimy Doom as a special attack are not explained. Is this some sort of poison or disease statted up in the upcoming PFRPG?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#slimyDoom

Well, I don't have the TOHR, but for half price I'll probably get the pdf linked elsewhere here. I don't want to use the book of daemons pdf b/c it's all 3.0 stats, but I appreciate the gesture.

I found the slimy doom in the 3.5 DMG; it's been a long time since I looked at diseases.

And Todd, sorry for the missed credit on that totally sick Meladaemon!

Now I just need to hold out for the PF version of TOHR.

I'm astonished no one mentioned this:

Buy D&D.

...

Release Greyhawk into the PD for fans to keep alive.

As long as we're dreaming, change that last part to "Make the current PF map the western end of Oerik, w/ the Flanaess as the eastern end, and plenty of room to flesh out the other parts of Oerth, including central Oerik.

I might just die of bliss on the spot...

On a related subject, how do people feel about modules where it is assumed you use the pregenerated characters. Something like a historical adventure with important NPCs, or an all-goblin adventure, or something?

If the pregens were used in an historical adventure, it wouldn't matter to me if they were important NPCs or not. It would just be cool to adventure in the mythic or legendary past!

But I'm not personally interested in the PCs-as-monsters idea.

If you can create the Golarion equivalent of traveling back in time through Greyhawk's Tovag Baragu (just for example, helping lead one of the Suel imperial houses into the Flanaess before the Twin Cataclysms hit)--and I'm thinking the Azlanti period would be perfect for this, or maybe a battle leading up to the imprisonment of the Whispering Tyrant--you've sold me!

EDIT: Half the attraction of this kind of module is not even playing the pre-gens; it's getting an in depth look at mythic history of which we have only tidbits in "modern" products like the Campaign Setting. This would be key to marketing it, as people who wouldn't buy a published adventure per se would still love a look-see into Golarion's past.

I would definitely buy the cut chapter on Elysium. I wish this had been a larger module, but the line is fixed at 32 page adventures so I'm out of luck. Well, until I get that next 10 pp ;-)

Love the title on the cover; very pulp-like in its Weird Tales way. Glanced through the module to get the general idea. Flavor text is off the charts cool. I did have a few crunch questions, though.

References are made to Hydrodaemons et al. from Tome of Horrors Revised and so not statted up. But I don't own that book. Can I hope to see these creatures in the PF Bestiary? Otherwise, how do we stat them up?

The Meladaemon is one nasty critter; Todd would be proud. But the references to Slimy Doom as a special attack are not explained. Is this some sort of poison or disease statted up in the upcoming PFRPG?

Thanks.

So many pieces of awesome wrapped into this issue. That picture of Ahriman alone was priceless, and I loved all the high-level nasties in the Bestiary. That and the Spawn of Rovagug article...mmm, tasty! Now I've got to go read some of it, starting w/ Elaine's last Channa-Ti story...

Had some great sales today! Here's what's left:

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Still lot's of great deals!

Just emailed you on these.

Lots of helpful, if contradictory, information! I wish this were really a straightforward thing. I'll have to look more closely at how it appeared where it did (I'm pretty sure through a Gate) on Oerth, and go from there.

Thanks everyone.

Ok, looking at Fiendish Codex 1, p. 8, on Death either "outside" or "within" the Abyss, along w/ sidebar on "Demonic Death Throes". From this, I can extrapolate to all Outsiders. It's clear that summoned outsiders return to their home plane when either the spell ends or they are "slain".

My scenario did not involve a summoned Arcanaloth, but one that was indeed not on its home plane. The text suggests the body MIGHT return to the home plane, but it might also remain behind (see example 20 under "Death Throes"). Regardless of what happens to the body, though, the "essence" gets sent back to the home plane.

So. I'm thinking that the essence survives, to a point, but the body could remain physically behind. In which case so do its items. I'm going w/ that; the bastard was incredibly tough to kill and I think the characters deserve the spoils of war ;-)

Nice art! Can't wait to see the final product.