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Crayfish Hora wrote:
But I didn't say anything about magic weapons. Benkei doesn't need spells and fancy weapons, and neither should the average fighter!

Benkei was in a no-magic campaign that was E6 at _most_, and didn't have to fight oozes, intangible monsters, or anything with DR or flying.


DrDeth wrote:

Wealth as progression has been part of the game since the three volume set. It was critical in 3.5, 4th and to quite and extent, even earlier editions. If you didnt have a magic weapon, you were screwed past a certain level- it was assumed you'd have one.

Yep. "+1 or better weapons to hit". Fortunately, despite what the DMG said, most AD&D modules handed out magical weapons and other gear fairly generously.

Part of the problem, I think, is that D&D magic is spelled out, quantified, and carefully defined. As a result, even the most powerful magic has all the awe and mystery of ordering an Extra Value Meal at McDonalds.

Want to make magic feel magical and mysterious again? Don't allow player-character spellcasters. (And probably don't play PF, as a result.)


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Lemartes wrote:

This shirt is made of light, gossamer-thin fabric embroidered with arrangements of winged feet.

Once per day as a swift action, the wearer can take an additional move action to move and then immediately end his turn, losing any unspent actions.

A character must wear this shirt continuously for 24 hours before he can activate this ability.

Have they nerfed the similar-to-the-old-version-but-better Battle Oracle power, Surprising Charge?

* Looks it up on http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ *

Not according to the PFSRD, they haven't. CASTER SUPREMACY 4EVAR, even at things martials SHOULD be good at!


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Omernon wrote:
Also, comparing martial classes to casters is like comparing cars to helicopters. It is pretty logical that casters have more options, because magic by definition breaks the laws of physics and stands in opposition to technology.

You don't see any problem with this reasoning?

It's Caster Supremacy in a nutshell: "Fighters exist in the Real World, so the ones in Fantasyland have to play by Real World Rules. Wizards do not exist in the Real World, so they can do ANYTHING."

It's not like the concepts of 'some things magic can't do' or 'some things magic can't do as easily as mundane methods' are unheard of in myth or fiction.


So, even if you beat these guys, you'll run out of food pretty soon?


master_marshmallow wrote:
Fighters are the only full noncasting class (save for archetypes that give up partial spellcasting) that can make their own magic armor and weapons (via Master Armorer and Warrior Spirit, respectively) so I'm not sure why fighters are the worst at it.

How many times in a campaign do you expect the Fighter to be able to take a few months off to make +5 armor or weapons?


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Bad skills, bad saves, bad feat chains.

Caster Supremacy and gear dependency.

The rules actively punish attempting to do anything creative in combat.


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And the interaction of intense interdimensional magic with intense thermonuclear explosions _probably_ won't have any unfortunate side-effects!

BRB, statting up a Fission Elemental.


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GM Rednal wrote:
...There times where I want to write a level-by-level analysis of spells - starting with the CRB - and what precautions against them a given settlement might have. XD

Please do! (Aside from this, in the game I'm currently in Our Heroes are setting up an estate, and I know our magic defenses are like a sieve...)


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It occurs to me this setting could swiftly become Shadowrun without the cybernetics.

Harakani wrote:

Imagine Open Source Spellbooks!

We better hope the world runs on PF rules, not Call of Cthulhu's, or some idiot's going to put Summon Azathoth on the Internet and physically destroy the planet.

Even without Create Apocalypse being a first level spell, consider the damage that someone could do with first-level spells like Charm Person, Beguiling Gift, or Murderous Command.

Expect anything resembling Freedom Of Speech to get locked down on hard. (And just imagine what Divination magic could do for law-enforcement! Department of Pre-Crime, here we come!)

So for the Shadowpocalypse, barring some house-rules saying electricity and bombs are magic, we're screwed.

d20pfsrd wrote:
An incorporeal creature has no physical body. It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities. It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms.


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Ryan Freire wrote:
EH....watch the anime GATE and you'll probably get a better idea of how it plays out.

GATE has several problems, such as the fact that the fantasy side are very slow learners on How To Deal With Firearms, and they don't use magic to fight.


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Total extinction of all life within 5 years, if one of the reproducing undead gets loose in a major city.

if we somehow manage to avoid the Shadowpocalypse, there will be witch-hunts that make all previous ones look mild by comparison.

Spellcasters who survive THAT will probably get recruited by various impromptu conspiracies/crime cartels/government agencies trying to use these powers. Hopefully, they'll spend more time shanking each other in back alleys than nuking cities.

Religion has upheavals like we've never seen before or since. On the bright side, doctrinal disputes become a LOT easier to resolve if someone can cast Commune.


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Charon's Little Helper wrote:
Not that Rome was in any way a 'good' aligned nation - probably closer to LN at the time than anything else.)

LE.

"How many languages even HAVE a word for 'killed every tenth person'?!" - Larry Gonick.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Murder the gods and topple their thrones.

Play MythEnder!


I can't believe I'm the first person in this thread to make the obvious reference.


Fergie wrote:

"It enables you to force extraplanar creatures out of your home plane"

Were you on your home plane? No? Then stop questioning the GM.

What is wrong with a little railroading anyway? Even if you were right, why not sit back and enjoy an adventure rather then rules-lawyer yourself a victory (or rather avoid the whole thing entirely?

The OP is Just Playing Their Character - which is to say, someone with a functioning brain-cell, and thus someone who wants to GET OUT OF THE ABYSS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.


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"Of course they exist, but that's no reason to go believin' in them." - Nanny Ogg (probably misquoted)


2d6 + 6 for all stats. :D

If you want an even higher-than-usual power level, have you considered the Mythic Rules?

A game can be epic without needed REAL ULTIMATE POWER, just meke sure the things the PCs do have consequences. Let them build, destroy, organize, and lead.


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THE WORLDWOUND WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

Vishkanya (or 'sneeple') secretly rule the world.

The only reason wizards can't cast cleric spells (and vice-versa) is a metaphysical embargo by the gods who don't want to give up their near-monopoly on healing magic. The Witch class is the work some entities who are trying to break the cartel.


Tyinyk wrote:
Is it not enough that you can singlehandedly slaughter armies at level 20?

How do you go about doing that as a Fighter, given a finite number of hit points and the annoying tendency of enemies to roll 20s?


kyrt-ryder wrote:

'Calibrating Your Expectations'

Look it up people.

The problem is people wanting their favorite low to lower middle level fictional characters (such as aragorn) to be high level.

And at the other extreme, pretty much NO fictional magicians have the sheer breadth of omnipotence that we expect from a level 20 wizard,


Grond wrote:
A life draining martial character in heavy armor that will get back in health a certain amount of the damage it inflicts. It is the classic Shadowknight/Dark Knight class or abilities you see in so many other games. I would pay them to make a class like this.

I was going to suggest Hungry Ghost Monk, but heavy armor precludes that.

Magus, maybe? Vampiric Touch is on the Magus spell list.


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mardaddy wrote:

What about allowing straight INT = Skill points for first level only, then use RAW for 2nd level on?

All players (fighters, paladins included) would be able to benefit and place them liberally ONCE. Also makes for more flexible choosing of Traits and Feats that give class skills and bonuses.

Don't think this would unbalance anything, it is one rank after all, just more of them, and one-use only.

Not a terrible idea but... NOT ALL SKILLS ARE BOOK-LEARNING. Why should someone have to be SMART to figure out how to climb a tree, ride a horse, notice things, swim, or not trip over their own feet?

Sorry, pet peeve of mine with the skill system.


Rysky wrote:

Coolness.

I really don't know why the Fighter got screwed on skill points, that's always bugged me.

Because the devs drastically overvalued full BAB and Feats, with the result that we get Fighters who couldn't get through an obstacle course (acrobatics, climb, swim), set up a camp or travel without getting lost (survival), keep their gear in good shape (craft), or keep watch (perception).


Kolokotroni wrote:

If you include material from the more prominent 3rd party publishers, I am pretty sure there literally isn't anything you cant to. Certainly no fantasy tropes I can think of.

Challenge accepted.

Here's a few I can think of I'm not sure how you could do in PF:

Cu Chullain was already mentioned.
An iron golem with a human(oid) soul
The World's Luckiest Man
Sans, Undyne, and Flowey from Undertale
The Architectomancer: They have immense magic powers, but only over architecture - they can move walls and doors, make buildings sprout up in empty fields, make rooms bigger on the inside than the outside....
Any Solar/Lunar/Infernal/Sidereal Exalted
Any Nobilis character
Card Captor Sakura
Heimdall (A PF character can't even see the full moon, much less everything in Midgard...)
Son Wukong, the Monkey King (Patron saint of munchkins)
The Wicked Witch of the West and the Scarecrow
The Green Knight (that Sir Gawain fought)
A Prinny, dood!


Gisher wrote:
SorrySleeping wrote:
Have tried to talk to the player multiple times. His Rogue is literally named Adolf at this point, to give you any indication of what is happening.
Leave. Now. Don't look back.

This is probably the most practical advice in this thread. Problem Player is indeed a problem, the GM who's letting Problem Player's antics proceed is going to be a much bigger one.


Since the OP is apparently OK with PvP and this sort of telegraphed treachery, why not see how good the rogue's player is with it? Have the Paladin take a break for a few sessions - say they're sequestered to pray or something, and bring in your 'backup character', whose family was brutally murdered by bandits and they're seeking revenge.... :D

Hey, fair's fair.


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thejeff wrote:

I really do want to find out when he thinks America was great. What's he aiming for? In any era I can think of, there are either horrors even the Republicans can't admit to wanting back or building blocks they despise. Often both.

Even nostalgic 50s middle class utopia had Jim Crow for the first and a union backbone for the second.

Don't forget the imminent threat of nuclear war with the USSR, and a 90% top income tax rate!

(I think we need to bring back that tax rate - encouraging the ultra-rich to spend money is a GOOD thing.)

Being the uncharitable person that I am, I think some of Trump's fans want the 50's back - the 1850s.


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As people have said, in roughly descending order of priority and usefulness:

1: Ask the PLAYER to lay off the intended PKing, and make a character that's capable of playing well with the rest of the party.
2: Ask the player to hold off until after the campaign's over. (Do not expect him to actually do so - he's JUST PLAYING HIS CHAOTIC EVIL CHARACTER, remember?)
3: Refuse to work with his character, for common-sense reasons. You monster. (For some asinine reason, the JUST PLAYING YOUR CHARACTER excuses only works for Chaotic jerks.)
4: Find out how many innocent people the Chaotic Evil bandit has killed and Smite his ass with HOLY JUSTICE.
5: Never leave this guy on watch alone, and have a backup character ready.


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Grey Lensman wrote:
Ronnie wouldn't recognize this Republican Party - the nominee admires someone who claims the breakup of the USSR is the greatest disaster of the 20th century, owes a large part of his fortune to the same guy (and his lackeys), and might even be getting help from them.

It's both bizarre and hilarious to me how dewy-eyed so many Republicans get over an ex-KGB kleptocrat, just because he's so MANLY.

Grey Lensman wrote:
The rest of the party is passing bathroom bills, voter ID laws, and other nonsense that can best be summed up as 'solutions in search of problems', or as I like to call them, 'exactly the big government Reagan warned about'.

Yes, but big government is OKAY, as long as it's putting Those People in prison (see Drugs, War On). It's only bad when it stops businesses from doing whatever they want.


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Is it time to break out the bingo board again?

(And yes, an incompetent player or a bad build can greatly diminish the actual power of a class, but that's not what the tier system's supposed to measure. It's hard to think of any amount of ingenuity a fighter or a rogue can bring to bear that can lock down a teleporting opponent as well as a Dimensional Anchor, to use just one example...)


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Protip: If you come to a big green demon head with an open mouth, let SOMEONE ELSE look in the hole, and if they get sucked in, DON'T follow.


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
Look, whatever, I voted for Nader in 2000 and--OW! Stop throwing things, it's not like I did it in Florida!
Nader only got less than 98K votes in Florida in the 2000 election. Nader didn't cost Gore the election in Florida; the millions of Florida voters who preferred Gore but didn't get off their collective asses to vote is why Bush won.

Actually, Antonin Scalia is the reason Bush won.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Given that we have had TWO resignations over the WikkiLeaks material, Something has to be there... and a decent amount of it, even if it's just confirmation of what we had suspected all along.

"Where there's smoke, there's... a crowd of Republicans burning Hillary Clinton in effigy."

What are we going to call this scandal? I propose "Primaryghazi".


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Sharoth wrote:
But honestly, I am neither Democrat or Republican. I just want someone competent in the office who realizes that BOTH parties are now the extreme end of the spectrum and over 90% of the people are in the middle.

You're kidding, right? By the standards of any country in Europe, the Democrats are Centre-Right to the Republicans' Far Right. There's a LOT of room in the political spectrum that only got airtime the the US this year when Bernie Sanders was speaking. (And from the turnout he got, there's a fair number of people who would LIKE an actual 'Left' choice.)


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Pan wrote:


May I ask an honest question? Republicans are always trying to limit the size of government and control spending.

That's what they SAY, but in practice, what they DO is cut taxes on the rich, spend more money on military junk, starve the poor a little more, and run up the debt.

(The fact that Republicans ever managed to rebrand themselves as the "Party of Fiscal Responsibility" is one the greatest triumphs of PR over memory in my lifetime.)

(And I see I've been ninja'ed on both posts. Eh, I'll leave 'em up.)


Lorila Sorita wrote:
I kind of expecting someone would say that hehe. So it isn't a surprise though I might be kind of naive about it, since I am hoping the situation is salvageable. I do enjoy the game more often than not, but these occasional moments of insanity are a bit much.

The only way I can imagine salvaging this situation is to treat the game as 'Paranoia with broadswords' (Trust the GM! The GM is Your Friend!), and just enjoy all the random incompetence and backstabbery. If that doesn't appeal to you, FLEE NOW AND NEVER LOOK BACK. These players sound like terrible jackasses, and life is too short of put up with people like that when you don't need to.


silverrey wrote:
edit* The "Four Living Creatures" are even worse. "In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings."

Yeah, the actual descriptions of angels in the Bible sound more like something from Call of Cthulhu than any of Pathfinder's Good Outsiders.

....and therein lies a potential setting... :D


My group is not the most optimized bunch in the world, but my Battle Oracle has done pretty well starting the fight with communal buffs - I cast Blessing of Fervor, Bless, Prayer, and meanwhile the frontliners are getting the fight started.
(I am really looking forward to Quicken Spell at level 11, admittedly.)


Dabbler wrote:
The Shaman wrote:

Well, it seems almost everyone wants to fix fighter... or has given up on it and uses the PoW classes.

It's just sad :/ .

I for one haven't given up on the fighter, Shaman!

Seriously, the fighter can do his job, although he takes more skill to build than it first appears. His damage output can equal the barbarian's and he gets other advantages too. Is he a weak class? Yes, insofar as he has more weaknesses, or weaknesses that take more care to cover, than other classes. But the fighter has only ever done one thing in the game, and that's fight.

Actually, back in the AD&D1 days, Fighters could do more than just fight, they could do anything a competent normal person could do. Pitch a tent, ride a horse, build a fort, sail a ship, cook a meal, etc, etc. This was before skills existed in the game - and once they did, they made everyone worse at everything they didn't allocate points to.

But somehow, the idea that Fighters should be dumb jocks seems to have soaked into D&D. (And derivatives.)


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D&D alignment system continues to make no real-world sense, Major Images at 11.

Though I am personally inclined to agree with Granny Weatherwax that "treating people like things" is the root of most if not all evil.


If not for the price limitation, I would've said to grab a Mnemonic Vestment.

As was said, having the right scrolls can really help with condition removal and such.


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:
Here's a small list of what fighters lost going from 2e to 3e.
Let me add one: WBL. In 1e, you generally couldn't buy items, you just found them. The ones you found were determined randomly. The random tables were heavily geared towards magic weapons, armor, and shields -- stuff the fighter can use. By 10th level or so, the fighter more than likely had an intelligent magic sword that could grant him powers, along with magic armor and a magic shield. His WBL naturally ended up being several times everyone else's.

And at the other end of the spectrum, things like potions, wands and scrolls were random, rare, and valuable, not things you could buy in every village. (And the rules for making them were difficult enough that scrounging for them in monster-infested caverns generally seemed like a less-stressful plan.)

Picture is relevant and possibly funny: Martial/Caster Disparity Bingo

Edit to add: One potentially good change to the game overall, not just the fighter: stop punishing players for trying interesting stunts in a fight without having invested in feats to allow them.


Town full of clueless people infected by something harmless-seeming...

.... Isn't that how Arthas ended up becoming the Lich King in Warcraft III?

Charon's Little Helper wrote:


Meh - I think a lot of alignment arguments on the law/chaos axis come from Gygax using the term "Law" when he didn't mean actual laws. I think that "Discipline" or "Order" would likely be a better fit.

IIRC, Gygax was cribbing from Michael Moorcock's novels, which have the struggle between Cosmic Law and Cosmic Chaos as a big element. And yes, they had very little to do with being law-abiding or LOLRandom at the human scale.


Ranishe wrote:
This is why many people have no issue with mundane / martial characters being less influencial than casters. The question is really what should be considered an inferior option that should be at a disadvantage?

Not playing a spellcaster.


Snowlilly wrote:
Perhaps you would be happier with a more narrative game system, like Feng Shui. You describe what your character is attempting to do and the GM assigns modifiers. The rule of cool applies, so get creative.

I see no reason that can't be done in Pathfinder.

Another gripe for me is all the combat feats that pretty much serve to say "don't bother trying to do anything more interesting in a fight that sword the enemy in their hitpoints." Lock blades and get in a suckerpunch? NOPE. Suck an attack-of-opportunity for trying, doofus. Pull the old sand-in-the-eyes trick? NOPE. Try to get a guy in a headlock? NOPE. Try to jump on the huge monster's back? NOPE. And conversely, if you DID spend the feats to be competent at non-hitpoint-removing tactics, you can spam them endlessly without your enemies ever being able to counteract them more effectively.

Or, what this guy said:

Mr.Lute wrote:

There are multiple feats that really, really need to be fixed.

For instance, Two Weapon Fighting being a chain.

Why. Just why. Make it one and done.

Or combat expertise tree-and in general, all of the various "you don't take attacks of opportunity while doing X" feats. They severely limit how and when people do anything actually interesting in combat, without a clear reason for them existing. Tons of monsters cheat and aren't subject to them, multiple classes cheat and aren't subject to them, why doesen't everyone with serious martial training cheat and not be subject to them? Why do you need eight feats to effectively utilize tripping, bull rushing, etc.?

Feat taxes were always a terrible idea, and this merely exaggerates it.

Power attack is also a problem. As is Weapon finesse. Required feats for most builds or useless.

In fact, I have problems with every single feat chain for martial fighting. Fighters get 20 feats! But, if they do anything more interesting than swing a sword, four or five of those are locked into making their fighting style work to begin with. It's fake, stupid, and exaggerates the disparity between martial classes and casters. Casters generally get interesting tricks online with every single feat, rather than enabling their casting at all.

Imagine if a wizard had to prepare Burning Hands as a prerequisite to take Scorching Ray, which they needed to work their way up to Fireball. Now the casters can feel the fighters' pain.


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Blistering Invective.

You curse out all enemies in range so hard they catch fire. It's hilarious.


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My group's Ranger has Combat Reflexes, Combat Patrol, and a reach weapon.
Sometimes he kills more enemies on their turn than on his own.


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Jader7777 wrote:

A broken ship carcass washed up on the edge of an eroded rocky crop 100 feet from the shore, a stormy night with wild winds, uneven surfaces and splintered wood are your only footing. Weird monsters lurk in every corner of the wreck and some nasty traps and ambushes are waiting for you- but you need to get the ultimate mcguffin of plot device before the king tide ends or all elves will die.

(SNIP)
Freddy the Fighter needs the following:
Climb check, oh he brought his grappling hook, whats that freddy
Only has 1 ration and isn't going to share

Ummm, how's Freddy even going to GET to the wreck? How's he going to breathe water when something inevitably tries to drag him under? How to find what they're looking for?

(Meanwhile, my plan for the wizard would be along the line of: Fly up, Locate Macguffin, Disintegrate path to it, Hold/Stun guard, grab MacGuffin, leave. Summon aquatic help if needed. If wizzo does it right, there won't even BE a fight.)


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MeanMutton wrote:
"Tiers" are incredibly subjective and frankly I find they have very little to contribute to the game.

What's so subjective about them? 9-level spellcasters have a lot of ways to insta-win or bypass many scenarios, fighters don't have any a normal person wouldn't.

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