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Angel of Violence wrote:

crosswiredmind wrote:

Wow. An entire thread demonstrating the veracity the cartoon - sycophants and trolls.

Can we just move on - please?

I think it will be a long time before we move on when there are so many people out there so eager to be offended by WOTC or anyone else.

Yeah, a smurf can dream - can't he?

Yeah, but dreaming just gets him grabbed by Gargamel.

Edit: Hey, we match.

BYU 59, UCLA 0; need I say more? ;p

Wow. An entire thread demonstrating the veracity the cartoon - sycophants and trolls.

Can we just move on - please?

I think it will be a long time before we move on when there are so many people out there so eager to be offended by WOTC or anyone else.

After viewing the On the Set, 4e Red Dragon video from wotc, I am sickened at the new low they've reached in this crappy video that portreys valid criticisms involving greed, video games, and over-simplification in 4e as coming from a Troll typing feedback/criticisms on a computer. The red dragon then actually s@#~s on a farmer, and s@#~s on the Troll giving feedback. This is hands down the absolute worst treatment of (formerly) loyal customers by any company I have ever seen. They've managed to turn our game into a lollypop. Did anyone get the message that gamers with contrary opinions are worth s@#~ting on?

How absolutely disgraceful.

But you have to admit, the kobolds pouring barbecue sauce on the reporter and then him being roasted by the dragon was pretty funny. I may use that in a campaign sometime.

Llamafrog wrote:

David Wickham wrote:

LOVE THE POODLES!

*hands out a Special Honorary Member badge with special privileges to David W. on the way out*

What kind of previlages?

If the poodles are involved, you don't want to know.

Wow, that is really something to be proud of.

You would rather stay at work and cruise the boards, then go home where you have to share the internet with your kids.

Putting all three together means manipulation is one skill and the difference is a matter of context and method.

My posts illustrate how Charisma gives you the edge because it's harder to be scared of muscle when the encounter system pretty much jades you against it, ergo the strong, low Charisma guy loses compared to the physically weak, but otherwise dangerous high Charisma guy.

I would support putting all three skills together. I think that they really are just three sides of the same coin. ;p

The first step to getting help is admitting you have a problem.

I feel that the only reason this is even on the table for discussion is so that barbarians and fighters can min/max. The skill is clearly charisma.

You mean that this is a gamist/character optimization thread in disguise? I'm stunned. I had no idea. ;p I think that Intimidation should stay Charisma based, I just think that there should be some penalties for people who want to try and intimidate people without them having any reason to be intimidated otherwise.

Angel of Violence wrote:

I am 350 lbs, solidly built, played football in high school, and have been trained in hand to hand combat by the military. I work out three times a week and routinely worked with 500 lb rolls of material for my job until a few monthes ago. I also have been known to break cinderblocks when I get angry. If someone who is 150 lbs comes up to me on the street and tries to convince me that in a fight he would do anything other than soil himself, no matter how much presence and swagger he has, he will have a hard time. The only way things would be different is if I had seen something to demonstrate that he could back up his boasting. So I have a clear understanding of what you are saying, I hope I have made my point clear as well.

By RAW, is it possible for a STR 8 halfling bard to use successfully intimidate against a Large Red Dragon?

Yes, but again, if I was the DM there would either be a serious penalty to his intimidate check, or else the dragon would get a will roll against the bard's attempt. If you are a halfling trying to intimidate a dragon, you must not only have low Str, but low Int and Wis as well. Diplomacy works much better in that situation.

Edit: What does RAW mean?

It's sex and vampires, so what's not to like? Unfortunately I don't have HBO, so I will have to wait until it comes out on DVD to watch it. I can't afford HBO and Pathfinder, and I would rather have Pathfinder.

Put another way, imagine you threatened someone smaller than you, and without any fear they told you to f*** off or suffer the consequences. Chances are you'd think they were either some sort of martial artist and therefore dangerous, or crazy and therefore dangerous right? And this is in a world where there is nothing supernatural that can easily result in a tiny little Pixie handing an elder dragon his ass. I dunno about you, but I'd think anyone being that bold has a damn good reason for it if I were Ogg. And since Ogg just wants easy stuff anyways...

This has actually happened to me. It was about five years ago and my neighbor came over and started yelling at me for asking his kids to get out of my driveway so I could park in it. When I asked him to stop yelling or there would be repercussion he told me he was going to kick my ass. I told him that I would let him have the first punch because it would be the only one he got and that is when the fear entered his eye. He had failed his Intimidate check, because I had no reason to believe that he would carry through. He told me he would let me walk that time because we were in my yard, but if he ever caught me outside of my yard he would kick my ass. Everytime he saw me walking down the street after that he ran in his house or turned and headed the other way. This went on for six monthes until he went to jail for beating on his wife and kids. If you are going to use the scenario as you outlined it, you should at least make it an opposed check, Intimidate vs. a Will save.

Angel of Violence wrote:

There is no mention of any kind of magic, or even reason for Ogg to suspect that the slight woman has magical abilities. Sure magic trumps muscle, but only if you know magic is avalible.

High Intimidate = knowing how to make yourself scare people so they would rather do what you say then cross you.

High Charisma - knowing how to carry yourself in general.

If you look at the actual words I wrote, you will see the sample language made it very clear she was declaring that not only could she make a damn fool out of Ogg, she could make Ogg make a damn fool out of himself. And like it. Also, her tone made it very clear she wasn't BSing around.

Clear enough yet?

I am 350 lbs, solidly built, played football in high school, and have been trained in hand to hand combat by the military. I work out three times a week and routinely worked with 500 lb rolls of material for my job until a few monthes ago. I also have been known to break cinderblocks when I get angry. If someone who is 150 lbs comes up to me on the street and tries to convince me that in a fight he would do anything other than soil himself, no matter how much presence and swagger he has, he will have a hard time. The only way things would be different is if I had seen something to demonstrate that he could back up his boasting. So I have a clear understanding of what you are saying, I hope I have made my point clear as well.

There is no mention of any kind of magic, or even reason for Ogg to suspect that the slight woman has magical abilities. Sure magic trumps muscle, but only if you know magic is avalible.

Crusader of Logic wrote:

The slight woman stared down the overly muscular human without fear, despite being nearly a foot and a half shorter and less than half the weight. Her gaze promised death and pain, her stance unwavering resolve. Despite the fact it was quite apparent the barbarian could snap her in two if he tried, he didn't move.

"If you do not get out of my sight immediately I will scramble your brain like an egg, make you eat your own testicles before your entire tribe and have you calling yourself Bent Betsy for the rest of your days."

Ogg, fearless slayer of hundreds crapped his pants and ran screaming like a little girl.

Guess which one is better at scaring people?

I fail to see why Ogg would be intimidated at all by this person. If she's slight, she can't realistically hurt him, and there's nothing in the description to suggest that he's afraid of some sort of eldritch force in her, because she's not giving any more indication of being magical than he is.

It's like giving an example of a tough-talking hamster threatening a lion, and the lion running, simply because in some abstract way the hamster is 'intimidating.' There has to be a reason for fear. I agree that intimidation is a specific use of fear, but there has be fear there to begin with.

Getting tough talk from a skinny little girl isn't going to intimidate anyone.

I'm going to have to agree with Mr. Bean on this one. While I would not say that it is impossible for the woman to intimidate Ogg, she should at least have some pretty hefty penalties on her role. It would be kinda like Joxer the Mighty trying to Intimidate Xena. It could be done, but it would be just on this side of impossible. Now if Mini Merideth had just chucked on of Ogg's brothers across the room before she said it, that would be a different story.

I will never wear a poodle head. Now a poodle skin coat is another story.

Death to poodles!!!!

What just happened to my avatar......It could have at least turned me into Grouchy.

Smurfette is a better fit for you. ;p

David Fryer wrote:

The first thing you do when you get to work is check the board to see if any of your friends have posted anything new. You guys know who you are. You assign your students "learning activities" to have an excuse to check the board. You have more people you consider to be your friends on the board than in the town you live in.

Sign #1: You create a message board post titled, "Signs You're A Paizo Messageboard Addict," and you waste valuable student learning time to feed your addiction. You should have your teaching certificate revoked.

you post bitter comments on a board meant for levity and jollyness.