|Andrew Christian RPG Venture-Captain, Minnesota—St. Paul|
Andrew Christian wrote:BigNorseWolf wrote:Lab_Rat wrote:But if you're standing there looking at it you're not making the roll. When you're making the roll you are in immediate danger.ElterAgo wrote:
I asked around a bit. Everyone of us assumed the risk of falling and breaking your neck would count as immediate danger.
Not much is immediate about a pit. I can stand there all day and stare at it and my neck never breaks.
I tend to classify immediate as "If I just do nothing, I am likely to take damage in the next round or so." A lot of GMs I know define it by the initiation of combat rounds.
No you aren't.
Just because you roll the dice, and failure could mean damage or death, does not mean you are in immediate danger. ...
A significant number of people apparently see it differently.
As I said, I can see your reasoning and I may actually be starting to agree with you. But that was not what occurred to us when we read it. I don't remember anyone else seeing it that way in discussion at PFS over the years. Everyone who thought it was different and then actually looked at the rule said, 'Oh yeah, there is danger so I have to roll.'
If your interpretation is actually what the designers meant, they did a really poor job of specifying it and not fixing it over the last how ever many years.
I would say it pretty clearly is not quite so obvious and definite as you seem to feel it is.
On the other hand, even when I felt a roll was actually needed, I have often let them take 10 or even just hand waved the thing completely if they described taking care. As others have said, it it's not a major plot point and failure is unlikely/uninteresting let's just get it over with so we can get back to the story.
I admit. I didn't understand it at first either. But one of the designers at the time, specifically Sean K Reynolds, changed my mind with a post that is linked way above.
It shows what the designers intent was. Which in something that was slightly ambiguous was very important to me in how I decided to interpret things from that point forward.