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Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Ran this Sunday and umm some issues,

First need to know the contigency if PC's kill important NPC's.

Second important NPC's should have stats not just class/level or referances to further in the adventure.

Not fond of telling PC's "Well you're boned"(didn't really and made things work), but you get the idea.

Also this scenario can easily run long even at a good pace, be prepared. Big thing is have the maps pre drawn(I did saved about a 1/2 hour) or it will take you a while to do so as they are elaborate.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Not sure if this exists, but it would be helpful. Since we have the inventory sheet I thought it would be nice if someoene who be more PDF talented than I create this. As a GM it is very helpful to know what a player has in each slot, to know if they are cheating or just confused. I have seen one for 3.5, but PF has different slots. This sould be great to hand to a GM, so they know and be helpful to a player so they know what they already have filled.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

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When you sit down and not one person, even the rouge, has a knowledge skill......any knowledge skill!!!! Then you decide just how self reliant is your character.

Andoran

Just curious is their cannon attack vs. Touch AC since a cannon is essentially a giant firearm? Doubt it, but man would this be fun, make them high level gunslingers quake.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

The Beard wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
The Beard wrote:
Sure, you only take half damage from that unholy blight, but you'll also take half damage from its polar opposite.

Which most likely will never ever come up. At most it might be a one time thing from within the party, and probably going to avoid <targeting> the <other> characters anyway.

The Beard wrote:
Neutral characters also tend to be handed alignment infractions left and right (normally undeserved) due to a good number of GMs, for whatever reason, feeling it necessary to penalize them for acting neutral; not acting evil, acting neutral.
??? I honestly have no idea how you figure that. Either in comparison to Good characters, or heck just Paladins alone, but giving benefit of the doubt, I'm willing to wager it's less that the DM has a lack of understanding about what Neutral really is as much as has a different one that your view of it. Doesn't mean they or you are wrong, sort of but the DM kind of wins.

There are actually times in PFS where the party can expect to eat a holy smite or two. Now, regarding the subject of alignment, we're not talking things that could be iffy. The best example I can think of was this CN barbarian I was playing with. The party cleric refused them healing on the grounds that the deities the worshipped were fundamentally incompatible. The barbarian, in turn, chose not to rescue the cleric from certain death. He continued to slug it out with the boss of that scenario (saving the three party members it had grappled and was dealing massive amounts of stat damage to in the process) instead of breaking off to save said cleric. The cleric was subsequently killed. ... The GM gave the barbarian an alignment infraction, forcing them to invest in an atonement purely because of a decision that you'd need a case of dain bramage to mistake for evil.

I am certain part of the barbarian's decision stemmed from the fact that they had earlier been spurned by that very same cleric; I'd wager it's just as likely the...

This is a terrible decision by the GM and the player should have petitioned their local VO. Two major reasons for this is 1. the Barbarian was CN which is a legal Alignment, which alone makes this a poor decision. 2. Was the barbarian Raging? Probably, which can be a seriously mitigating/aggravating factor.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Katisha wrote:

I have a PC who is 10th level (29 XP), and she has only ever done HP damage twice - both times to herself (Confusion effects have a "hit self, inflict 1d8 HP" result).

She regularly prevents combats, succeeding at missions by talking thru encounters (even some combat encounters).

And she's neutral (C/N actually - you know that borderline "evil" alignment).

AND I've had a judge tell me that if it were in his power to do so, he would mark her as "evil" - killing her out of the campaign. Because of her day job. You see, she's a courtisan, a "lady of the evening", a harlot, and thus clearly (in at least one judges opinion) an "evil" person.

PFS does not "...punish the good" - PFS just reflects the peoples attitude at each table, at the time they are playing the game. Different people, different attitudes, different times - and you get different "feels" of who is being "punished".

That is hilarious(I aslo have a Sczarni Gnome sorceress who has that as her day job, I call it the publiuc relations bureau of Sczarni), which is why as a GM never impose personal vendettas/opinions on PC's. Just use the rules as written, if something is unclear ask other veteran GM's.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Jiggy wrote:
Jason Leonard wrote:
@Jiggy my point is there needs to be a clear defintition of this as an evil or not evil act, I was just giving some possible reasons for it not being one.

Oh! Okay, so the "racism makes it okay" was not your position, but rather a hypothetical excuse someone might make? That makes a bit more sense, then. I also recall a thread once where someone complained about their nagaji (I think?) paladin not being able to use their racial poison ability. Something like "If it's a natural ability of my race, it couldn't possibly be against the paladin's code!"

So now any racial hatred should not be allowed and Rangers should not be allowed to use favored enemy abilities? This isn't the US and it's LAWS have nothing to do with the game. All I did was give some reasons to explain a Coupe De Gras action, that's all. Also "racism" is all over Golarion.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Mikaze wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I'm beginning to think you misunderstand exactly what tieflings/aasimar really are in Golarion. Or maybe it's me; perhaps I'll have another look at the relevant Blood of books later.

Nope, you're remembering correctly. Tieflings and aasimar are entirely free to choose their own path.

Heck, the Blood Of books themselves feature a tiefling cleric of Sarenae and aasimar servant of Zon-Kuthon in their artwork. :)

Excellent references.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

@Jiggy my point is there needs to be a clear defintition of this as an evil or not evil act, I was just giving some possible reasons for it not being one.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Also have you ever had a player hold another player accountable for killing soemone? For example a cleric de-selecting a PC for channeling due their action or worship of an opposing deity?

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Jiggy wrote:

"You... you just killed that guy! How could you be so evil?!"

"I killed him because I hate him. I hate him, and I hate his entire stinkin' race. Hate 'em all."

"Oh, okay, nevermind then."

*headscratch*

This is in refernce to Coupe De Gras not just killing, which seems to occur frequently. I take it from your post you are opposed to Coupe De Gras period?

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Stir, stir, stir.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

There needs to be clear definition of what and "evil" act is. To be honest Coupe De Gras is an evil act unless you have the racial hatred trait or something that explains serious dislike of a catgory of creature such as Favored Enemy. Also some racial alignment requirements should be instituted, such as Asimar must be good either Lawful or Neutral. Tieflings should have aligment based on there heretige either infernal or demonic. Also as GM's use these traits, Evil outsiders should attack Asimar first unless they have a really good reason not too, play racial hatreds. As mentions why does Holy work for Neutral characters, they are not affected by Unholy.

The society is not a "good" organization, but netral characters should know that for a mission to succeed they need to work with others. Chaotic Neutrel is on the whole the most selfish of alignments and thus act that way unless something really benefits them. PC's should play their characters appropriately and not just use alignment as a beneficial tool.

GM's know what alignments are at your table and keep your players in check. One thing is making Atonement needed for not just good PC's who do evil or "questionable" acts, but for any PC who goes against their alignment.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Whatever the next retirement thread is please include NPC bad guys that have a high level Gunslinger that can drop 150 hp a round, and can we please get some bad guys with Fickle Winds to temper the Archers!!!!!!!

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Oh and as far as retiring the scenario, stop sweating iit isn't going to happen anytime soon. Just as anyone with the stars to do so run it when you get players, this is a present to those who have stuck it out with PFS. Prep it and run it well.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

The only issue with Eyes is hat it is written for characters who played seasons 0 and 1 mostly. Retired PC's who started characters from the UC and UM, have shown some power game which isn't their fault those books just allow allot of cheese. Despite this it run's well for a 6 player table despte being written for 4, just don't run 7 it will go longer and not be nearly as much fun.

Andoran

He folks as the VC, been trying to figure out if there is anything up north or in the other cities, please let me know as I am trying to coordiante statewide.

Thanks, Jason

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

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The main issue for this is which perception determines flanking. The person attacking or being attacked. The person attacking an opponent doesn't know the other person flanking is there unless the have the ability to see invisible. Thus how do they know they are flanking? This needs to be FAQ'd since nothing in the rules for flanking address this "specific" issue.

Andoran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54VJWHL2K3I

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Got myself a new VL hear in Phoenix, Tom Martin, he has the dubious honor of being the player with the most prestige spent due to death at my table, thus he is being made my minion BUWAHHHH. Actually Tom is a verteran PFS player and a great GM, he is also terribly helpful to me a VC and I am very happy he is on the Team, he will be at Paizo.con so treat him right fellas.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

PFS at PCC is fully reported players and GM's check and make sure everything is correct, if there are issues email me at jason@theleonards.net and I will fix it.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

I have two who have been retired for almost two years

Handsome Jack Half Elf from Taldor, Fighter, Rouge, Barbarian

Karl Yergos, Human from the land of the Linnorm Kings, Szarni, currently head of their liquidation detail(formerly Taldor, as a member of the Long Axes), Fighter 12

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Ok this is the final call for GM's If you have not followed the links above and signed up then I don't know what to tell ya. Let me know here also if you are coming.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

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Umm anyone else notice the fella who started this thread hasn't responded to it in a while.....let it go.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

I had a great time running this, but two things I didn't like, when a faction mission requires failure by the PC's or presenting a really good reason to talk with someone outside the PC's main operation seems poor in my opinion. Also the main confrontation at tier 8-9 seems to be a bit low on the CR.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Netopalis wrote:
Jason Leonard wrote:
On a funny note I GM'd a table where the CN rouge coupe de grad the NPC the Neutral Good Cleric was supposed to speak with to complete her faction mission. The Cleric secretly deemed the Rouge as Evil since he did this without provocation and really had no reason for this other than he was.... whatever. So the cleric decided to never heal the rouge and even used her selective channel to exclude him, once even healing an enemy. The player who was the rouge died in the scenario and did not have enough gold or prestige to raise himself. He said this was equivelent to PVP and thus illegal, and I asked him if he had knowledge religeon, he said no to which I said, then you have no idea what channeling is and thus too bad. I don't think he is coming back.

Frankly, I don't find this to be very funny. If the rogue didn't act in an evil manner, then the cleric was completely out of line. Unless the cleric said, "Don't kill that person", the Rogue was just downing another enemy. Even so, intentionally healing an enemy is *way* out of line. I also feel that this was honestly handled rather poorly if you flippantly told him that he had no idea what channeling was.

Either way, a story that ends in a player not coming back to PFS is not a funny one, unless the player did something really nasty.

The rouge was doing allot of underhanded stuff, and as the GM I even warned him. The Coupe De Grad was done when the NPC was clearly unconcious and other oppenents were up and threatening, his actions actually allowed the main fighter to go down due to his full round action. I wasn't flippant to the Rouge, but he was very upset and almost belligerent to me and some other players. While I am not happy about potentially losing a PFS player, I consider how many would leave if he continues his ways. bad players can make others leave. Hopefully he learns how to play with others and changes his RP style, if not I can only do so much.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

I had a similar issue at a GenCon in 2009, playing Sniper in the Deep. We walked into the dockside tavern to gather information on the missing pathfinder. Upon entering we scoped the place a bit, and decided too talk to barthender. Before we could do this the Chelaxian "Paladin" pulled his greatsword invoked flame and announced his intention to murder the bartender in single combat due to some slight to the paracountess, so much for diplomacy. The party let the Paladin do his best, while we took care of the cronies. I was having a great time disarming and laughing my butt off due to the Pladin gett the short end in a very bad way. Our cleric cast hold person on one of the cronies, so I booted him over the rail into the ocean below, FYI my character was CN. The cleric dismissed the spell and we made light work of the cronies. The Paladin was having serious issues so the wizard saved his bacon. Apparently the player took serious issue with me booting the "helpless" cronie into the water and called me EVIL. I pointed out to him that I knew the cleric would "likely" dismiss the spell, but I did not declare murder like him, and pointed out he is Lawful Good and I was not critical of his actions. Needless to say he tried to take every oppurtunity to not help me too complete the adventure and often told me I was evil. Thus when he fell in the water in his full plate, and began drowning due to failed swim and con checks, I did not assist him despite having the best swim in the group(I was also otherwise occupied in lethal combat). The player was a bit angry especially with me for not trying to save him, I sarcastically told him if he has earned enough respect from the paracountess she could raise him. He was not amused, but the GM and the table were. I think this goes to the don't be a jerk to your fellow PC's since you may need them and while PVP is not sanctioned they can ignore you.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

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On a funny note I GM'd a table where the CN rouge coupe de grad the NPC the Neutral Good Cleric was supposed to speak with to complete her faction mission. The Cleric secretly deemed the Rouge as Evil since he did this without provocation and really had no reason for this other than he was.... whatever. So the cleric decided to never heal the rouge and even used her selective channel to exclude him, once even healing an enemy. The player who was the rouge died in the scenario and did not have enough gold or prestige to raise himself. He said this was equivelent to PVP and thus illegal, and I asked him if he had knowledge religeon, he said no to which I said, then you have no idea what channeling is and thus too bad. I don't think he is coming back.

Andoran

OK this seems to have gotten a bit .. confrontational, Dust Raven and Sitri, as your resident VC please bring issues to me instead of the board next time.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

OK first off as the VC for AZ please come to me before the forum's I have mail and FB if needed, 2nd this is not PVP, because the charmed undead is not a PLAYER AND IT IS MINDLESS. Also how do other players know if the cleric in question had SELECTIVE CHANNEL? This is way too much meta gaming. Please end this thread here.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Sior wrote:
I grew up in Phoenix but would love to come back for a visit and for this event (you had me at Jewel Staite, haha). Will keep it in mind as the date approaches, however I am unable to promise my attendance. Must speak with the Mrs. about a summer trip.

I met her at a local con in 2006 She is as personable as she is beautiful.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

OK folks if you will be in the area of Phoenix or want something fun to do over Memorial Day weekend come to Phoenix Comicon. PFS will be offered in force and we are trying to post 50+ tables. We have been running there for the past 2 years and it has been awesome, not only has the Con grown the PFS community has also. There will be allot offered other than PFS, this convention is awesome. This is definately the place to LET YOUR GEEK OUT!!!! This is the link to the website http://www.phoenixcomicon.com/ PFS will also be on warhorn.net at http://warhorn.net/phoenix-cactus-comicon/ I am in the process of getting things organized with the gaming coordinator. Progress to come.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

In the corner you all notice a tall muscular man who seems to almost appear. You realize most of you only saw him because he allowed you too. He notices the gathering...of sorts, stands and with uncommon litheness walks to the table. He is not nearly as impressive in dress as he is stature, standing nearly six and a half feet tall, he speaks in broken common with a heavy skaldish accent. "Friends" he utters,"Karl Yergos, liquidation bureau", you get the feeling the words Liquidation Bureau were almost read from a cue card and were not naturall for him.

Andoran

Be advised there is no "public transportation" that let's you off closer than a half mile from the hotel.

Andoran

My my so what a dilema as to what retired character to play this with;

Handsome Jack of Taldor who would see the Blakros museum burn to the ground rather than have another pathfinder agent perish in that atrocious portal of insanity.

Or

Karl Yergos Linnorm Archer who has the social graces of a goat and looks to match.

Crud.

Umm those of you who are playing the 12th level tier for this got any suggestions?

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Phoenix Cactus Comicon 2012 was a huge success. Considering this is not a formal gaming convention and all the other attractions available I could be none more pleased.

The convention went from Thursday the 24th through the 27th. We had 8 slots with 18 tables that went off, each table averaged 5.2 players, most we new to PFS. In fact we had 30 new players, more and more each slot. Turns out word of mouth spread well and the new players had such a good time they continued to come back and brought their friends. I attribute this to the EXCELLENT corp of GM’s I had at my disposal, no arguments and slots ran as scheduled. Also the most important thing everyone had FUN!!!!!

One really great thing is I had 5-6 players from the Prescott and Flagstaff area of northern AZ and it is hoped we can get a gameday rolling up there. So if you are one of them and read this get hold of me ASAP.

These are the scenarios run

Slot 1 5-24
2-03 Rebel’s Ransom
3-07 Echoes of the Overwatched

Slot 2 5-25
3-05Tide of Twilight
07 Among the Living

Slot 3 5-25
55 Infernal Vault
55 Infernal Vault

Slot 4 5-25
17 Perils of the Pirate Pact
33 Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible

Slot 5 5-26
First Steps Part 1
3-19 Icebound Outpost
51 City of Strangers Part 1

Slot 6 5-26
First Steps Part 2
52 City Of Strangers Part 2
Master of the Fallen Fortress

Slot 7 5-26
47 Darkest Vengeance
3-18 God’s Market Gamble
29 Devil You Know Part 1, Shipyard Rats

Slot 8
03-01Frostfur Captives

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Phoenix Comicon 2012, May 24-27. Guess where. Not huge PFS, but allot of fun. We will have 7 slots 2-3 tables each. This is a big convention otherwise, if you want to check the website and guest list, many sci fi A listers. Check the event calander. Or email me at the VC email.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Hey folks just wondering if there is any PFS being done in this area? Basically if you are north of maricopa county please let me know. As the VC for Arizona, I just want to know what is going on up there be it home game or gameday. Thanks Jason

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

We have a good contigent here in Phoenix, just finished up VULCON this weekend, did allot of recruiting and actually ran out of PFS # cards. I will contact your soon.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Seven Samuri.....Magnificent Seven. Same thing, Players had a really good time, even had a samuri and musketeer at the table.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

OK folks as your VC I have secured some new locations for our gamedays which are posted at Warhorn.net under a a gathering of players yahoo group. If you are not part of this group please get on it ASAP. Samuri Comics has a new location in the east valley and it is where our new PFS gameday on the 1st and 3rd Saturday of the month. If you are in the area and not sure about gamedays let me know on this thread I will find you.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

hogarth wrote:

With regards to the original post:

This kind of thing hits close to home for me; for me, nothing sucks the life out of a game faster than being suddenly surrounded by an impenetrable GM pity force field(tm).

One of my PFS characters was in a somewhat similar situation once. He died in the first encounter of the scenario (oops). At that point, I wanted to stay dead until the end of the scenario and get raised afterwards. However, I ended up letting the GM cajole me into getting a Raise Dead and rejoining. From there on, we stumbled through one painful encounter after another and we were only "saved" by heavy, heavy GM pity-fudging (e.g. enemies declining to focus their attacks on wounded PCs, overly sympathetic readings of how monster special abilities work, etc.). It was a mess, and it soured me on PFS for a while afterwards. Sometimes a clean death is more fun. :-(

This is a good reason why GM's need to know the module very well and know they party strength. While I havenever fudge rolls or intentionally tried to keep players alive during a combat. I have had them find some consumables in treasure that help them during the adventure, nothing serious, but a few cure potions or maybe a lesser restoration, simple stuff. A GM should always gauge the survivability of a party, but remmeber that sometimes bad things happen.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Umm I am siding with Kerney on this one. As a veteran GM you need to take your emotions out of the equation, especially when the creature you are using(like say a SHADOW) has none other than pure hatred of the living. While some have stated that this is an intelligent undead and wouldn't continue attacking the same person because they were no longer a "threat". As an undead creature that wants nothing more than to cause the living to suffer it's plight it would absoloutely continue to drain one character until it was dead. This is even more evident because most intelligent undead can cause a defeated living to become like them, even Ghouls. Thus to be undead is a horrible thing and the idea of spreading your suffering is the small amount of joy you get. A shadow, while intelligent, does not have morals or fear, and wants to destroy all living. Therefore it isn't going to say "wow you are colse to becoming like me, I think I will go and attack the very healthy one who may cause my true death rather than bring you to my side".

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Matthew Morris wrote:

I won't speak for Ferral, but the point I 'learned' is that being able to autosucceed is boring. Like playing Doom on Godmode. Sure it's fun at first, but it's boring.

Pathfinder is a team exercise. If you can do everything (twinked out bard) or one thing so well that the rest of the group becomes redundant in that field (barbarian maxed out) it's boring for you and your group.

We want to minimize failure as much as possible in life, but in a game there's a thrill when that die comes up a 20, and the thrill of tension when it comes up a 1.

This is why I am so fond of Call of Cthuhlu....something fun about being the bottom of the food chain.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Ok did anyone else catch this, to get to their destination the PC's can be transported via teleport or take the long journey walking and pay 125gp in tolls and such marching through the Taldan countryside. Yet it doesn't discuss them getting back or having to pay for this to return to Oppara? I just found this kinda funny. PS this is a really fun chronicle, highly recommended. Does this count as a spoiler?

Andoran

Razqua wrote:
Thanks. I believe boons end on the 18th and I'm not going to being doing think until at least after holiday break. So sadly there will be no boon but its still a good way to get people into it. And I'm kinda trying to keep this on the down low as I would be ridiculed unendingly if one of the jocks found out I was a "DND nerd". So is there a way you think I could advertise it and somehow keep my identity a secret(except for the people in the group obviously).

I meant what city on the board

Andoran

Remember that it's not adversarial with the BB, just have fun with them. The BB is pathfinder simple, remind them that if they like it they can try the RPG as a homegame or the PFS and remind them they can customize a character for PFS. Also let everyone know where you are because you may have a group there that isn't listed or is sporadic, but looking for more players. You may have received a boon for playing it, but those will be going away very soon. Have fun with this and if things go well look at starting you own chapter, good luck.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Ok how about the Map issues it has 3B as a location, but there is no 3B it should be 3G, this is somewhat confusing.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Stormfriend wrote:

I'm seriously considering playing an Undead lord but I'd prefer to keep the options limited to humans, or possibly creatures encountered on an AR and signed by the GM.

I looked at this before and I think skeletal Hydras were about 5HD, which is pushing it. Its a nice idea, and skeletal riding dogs might be fine, but including all the bestiaries would be asking for trouble. Besides which, walking through town with a cowled human skeleton is one thing, but walking through town with a skeletal hydra could really mess up the scenario.

As a GM i don't worry too much about what someone has animated as long as it within the guidelines. Similarly is the Eidelon who a summoner can inhabit, I have seen some frightening builds at 2nd level for this.

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka AZhobbit

Tarma wrote:

It should cost less for PFS. Core gives the players and the GM more options than the society. If a player dies, a party that would like them revived can go and rob a noble's house or a caravan to get the money. Or they could be owned a favor to the local temple in exchange for the revive. If one wanted, the dead player could even be brought back as a zombie :)

But none of those options are available in the society. If you die you only have two options, pay the gold or prestige.

Death is paid for in two ways, prestige(16) or gold as stated. Ok here is the jist as a junior pathfinder(level 4 and lower, 10-12 is roughly the needed chronicles to gain the prestige allotment) you in general are not seen as as useful to your faction as say a more senior memeber, and they are less willing to have you raised. Also as a higher level agent who cotinues to die the faction sees you as less "favorable" and should you have used up, will not spend the time to raise you. So either horde Gold or do good on your faction. My biggest question is, what happens when your body is not recovered, ie brought back by your companions or worse is lost in some way. As a veteran GM this is a quandry which I am unsure if there is a flat rule for.

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