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why?other than the saves, that require assistance of feats \ trait etc, rogues have great AC (after the foe suffer -10 to his attacks...)
and with spring attacks he is never hit.
Tyrant Lizard King wrote:
familiar should not enter the front. 50% of a d8 HP ...it will die really fast.
lastly, rogue are a solo class... you are in a party.
also, you missed the BEST part, the foe will not know WHERE you are...
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
not burning, investing.... it's the same feats that inserted the 1 level of shadow dancer.if foe is now near me? acrobatics away from him...
or get a buddy to flank and full attack it.
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
1. foe need to move to get to you2. is you win the stealth, and took 1 shadow dancer level, and dampen presence , the foe have no idea where are you , so he CANT attack.
oh, it's a lot more than that.... i'll explain :take U-chain Rogue 11, shadow dancer 1.
take dampen presence feat and something to destroy scent.
you dash in-out, with a shadow armor and skill focus, and small size for a auto win stealth AFTER the attack .
with haste - you have 60' to move about , free. no target by foes or spells.
as for your one attack, it's one but it's anything BUT weak :
now add either Double Debilitation (-6 to attacks vs rouge, -4 to the rest.) or crippling strike (-2 STR) or 6 bleed, or no AOO, or a free dispel magic..... (choose 1).
with Debilitation + Double Debilitation + shaken + sicken :
and the rogue is no where to be found.... yes you do a LOT LESS damage than a barbarian.... but "buff" like a bard, debuff like a shaman\witch and have 11 skill\level to add non combat roles.
there is a feat to use evasion for fort saves (will save you life...)
SHOW ME 1 SPELL that can do ALL that AND 47 damage EVERY round.
OH, and if faced with a SUPER ARMORED foe, one that the fighter need 19 to hit?
a few more notes:
scout archtype , after level 8 offer 100% sneaks .
lvl 1 : swashbuckler (mouser) for flanks and prof. or monk for saves .(not neededm just nice)
spring attack in and out of the shadows. debuff, and be a skill master.
add the scout 1 of the 3 below for more coolness:
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
not true.unchained rogue offer HUGE minus to the AC = minus to the foe's CMD.
also, go skulking slayer for decent dirty trick bonus if needed.
i prefer a halfling, dex focus, Rake or Thug + scout with spring attacks.
You can't 2 weapon , as 1 hand is needed for climbing.
i was thinking on :
another option is full plate + STR of 14 (min for melee when no powers or spells ).
another weird one, is evangalist with madness domain.
i LOVE the idea of a no wild-shape druid. although the lose is indeed a big one...
what build do you think will be a great one?
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can it be sone WITHOUT needing any magical gear?
wild shape into a tiny bird , dex to damage comes from rogue.
i always see a rogue's job as a debuffer > damage.
stack as much as no save minus and than let your allies kill the sod.
What is " two-weapon grace."Slashing grace w/o t work as 2 weapon trick
The Sideromancer wrote:
Evangelist cleric is a better buffer that can kill along the mount .Bard boost , divine favor shared and win.
Spirit guide nature oracle can have a super list that change daily with animal with int 6 and heroism , overland flight and scorching rays.
summon earth elemental (immune to precision.)
a barbarian level 12 : str 30 (base 28, item +2, rage +6).
BTW, if any, a daring champion cavalier (with 1 dip into swash or the prestige for parry). can add his level twice....
heck, a magus can easy out damage ANY swash ,
Dragonchess Player wrote:
Arcane archer level 3 is great, elemental bow
Shaman build is easy...Level 1 of either sohei or Unchained monk than shaman " speaker of the past "
Hex strike no save evil with a flurry.
Wisdom to ac , have access to barkskin, blink, heroism and divine favor.
Revelation for armor that isn't an armor... Wis and dex to ac, go str or dex build.
Flurry a weapon with battle spirit (specialize, bane ) and greater magic wepon .
Time frost bite , evil eye and much, much more .
The monk level even your saves a bit, and adding flurry is always nice.
Heaven is just as good as battle .
Lore warden X with 4 levels in Unchained Rouge (thug or rake) .
the lore warden offer a super CMB, but it can work well on a 2 weapon slayer X \ rogue 4
bard 4 \ cavalier 1, battle herald also add a lot of bonuses.at level 12, you add +6\+6 ALL the time (dervish of dawn= X2 bard boosting), with BAB of -1 from a full one.
it all depend on the buffs you have.
also, weapon and shield (scimitar and shield) can add a lot of attacks with bashing finish . and if the party have many front liner, adding a greater bull rush several times a round, with all provoking - generate more total damage than any full attacks.
you are doing no damage at all , with low will saves.
add, blundering defence and you rock and can even do some damage
I was aiming for a blacked curse nature oracle (with a super pet as protector ) and the shaman adding all the fire spells.
That way, if you face demons or devils, don't bother blasting and switch to heaven or healing spirit - while the pet kills.
Take fort enhencer feat and good con.
well....guided hand have a (+) side....
i want to try out a evangalist version of a good weapon god.
also, consider this build : Ranger with 1 rogue (skulking slayer).
attack your full attack with your scimitar and 1 shield slam.
not too bad...
2 weapons take some effort but it is amazing.
1. be a ranger . free feats that ignore dex . the high str will add a lot of damage .
Before you were able to get the cords , how did you even walk? Your armor and weapon are more than what you carry a not to mention a bag with food
Chess Pwn wrote:
No save for shadow...Also, simple lol 1 spell that do 1d6+5 half with a save , will drop you .
Saw your build , cha 7 = all non combat situations you sit aside and no gaurd let's you in a town easy.
Str 7 means a single shadow kills you.
All characters have soft spots especially extreme ones
I was considering a swashbuckler with rake. Rogue.The (+) gained with rake will auto panic any foe
Will boosts of climbing auto win the cmd check ?
you read it wrong ...."While the mouser is within her foe's space, the foe takes a –4 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks not made against the mouser"
-4 to all attacks that are NOT MADE AGAINST THE MOUSER"
but it's a great concept never the less.