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Unless I miss something, monks only get to use their class level as BAB for their CMB, not their CMD. They don't even get Defensive Combat Training as a possible bonus feat.

Am I missing something?

Well, they get to add their monk AC bonus to their CMD, so it mostly balances out.
Taldor (Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber)

and defensive combat manuevers doesn't have hard pre-reqs to take so putting it on the bonus feat list is kinda a waste.
lastknightleft wrote:
and defensive combat manuevers doesn't have hard pre-reqs to take so putting it on the bonus feat list is kinda a waste.

By that logic, none of the 1st & 2nd level options should be on the list.

KaeYoss wrote:
Am I missing something?

Monks get their AC bonus to CMD *as well as* their Wisdom modifiers to CMD. Every 4th level a monk equals a full BAB class in terms of the AC bonus to CMD alone.

They simply don't need the feat. It's a nice bonus but unnecessary.
meabolex wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Am I missing something?

Monks get their AC bonus to CMD *as well as* their Wisdom modifiers to CMD. Every 4th level a monk equals a full BAB class in terms of the AC bonus to CMD alone.

They simply don't need the feat. It's a nice bonus but unnecessary.

Indeed, with the AC Bonus their CMD is (3/4th BAB + 1/four level)[full BAB] + Str + Dex + Wis + 10, and they can still if desired take Defensive Combat Training as one of their odd level feats giving it an additional +1 per four levels. Their CMD is normally above average, and it can be very very good.

That's not untrue. Still a case can be made for being untouchable.

Maybe it shouldn't be automatic, but it certainly fits as a bonus feat. Easy enough to house-rule, though.

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