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Paizo / Messageboards / Paizo Publishing / Pathfinder® / Pathfinder RPG / Rules Questions / Archives / Order of the Glass Jaw (or: Monks with good CMB, bad CMD)     Recent Posts
Order of the Glass Jaw (or: Monks with good CMB, bad CMD)
Cheliax KaeYoss (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion, Planet Stories Subscriber),

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Unless I miss something, monks only get to use their class level as BAB for their CMB, not their CMD. They don't even get Defensive Combat Training as a possible bonus feat.

Am I missing something?

hogarth,

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Well, they get to add their monk AC bonus to their CMD, so it mostly balances out.

Taldor lastknightleft,

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and defensive combat manuevers doesn't have hard pre-reqs to take so putting it on the bonus feat list is kinda a waste.

ZappoHisbane,

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lastknightleft wrote:
and defensive combat manuevers doesn't have hard pre-reqs to take so putting it on the bonus feat list is kinda a waste.

By that logic, none of the 1st & 2nd level options should be on the list.

meabolex,

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KaeYoss wrote:
Am I missing something?

Monks get their AC bonus to CMD *as well as* their Wisdom modifiers to CMD. Every 4th level a monk equals a full BAB class in terms of the AC bonus to CMD alone.

They simply don't need the feat. It's a nice bonus but unnecessary.

Kolokotroni (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber),

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meabolex wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Am I missing something?

Monks get their AC bonus to CMD *as well as* their Wisdom modifiers to CMD. Every 4th level a monk equals a full BAB class in terms of the AC bonus to CMD alone.

They simply don't need the feat. It's a nice bonus but unnecessary.


Indeed, with the AC Bonus their CMD is (3/4th BAB + 1/four level)[full BAB] + Str + Dex + Wis + 10, and they can still if desired take Defensive Combat Training as one of their odd level feats giving it an additional +1 per four levels. Their CMD is normally above average, and it can be very very good.

Cheliax KaeYoss (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion, Planet Stories Subscriber),

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That's not untrue. Still a case can be made for being untouchable.

Maybe it shouldn't be automatic, but it certainly fits as a bonus feat. Easy enough to house-rule, though.

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