Coming from the Wizard to Dragon Disciple thread, I'll try to summarize the questions that arised from the extra casting of a spell without preparation ability, so hopefully we can get some official answers from Jason or James... for opinions or going on with the discussion, please use the other thread. Just questions that need official answer here, please.

• Does the casting granted by the arcane bonded item count as 'casting of a spell without preparation' needed for some prestige classes (as Dragon Disciple)?
  
• Does it count as a spontaneous casting slot (for feats/prc/etc.)?
  
• Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?
  

Coming from the Wizard to Dragon Disciple thread, I'll try to summarize the questions that arised from the extra casting of a spell without preparation ability, so hopefully we can get some official answers from Jason or James... for opinions or going on with the discussion, please use the other thread. Just questions that need official answer here, please.

I seriously doubt any official errata will be made to these as the issue is pretty clear as it is (IMO).

• Does the casting granted by the arcane bonded item count as 'casting of a spell without preparation' needed for some prestige classes (as Dragon Disciple)?

No.

• Does it count as a spontaneous casting slot (for feats/prc/etc.)?

No. Mainly for the same reason mentioned above.

• Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?
  

Ex is for the ability to attract a familiar.

Please, for discussion of that topic write on the original post , those arguments have already been mentioned there. No need to split the debate on two threads.

This was intended just to summarize and get together all the questions for a possible faq.

Please, for discussion of that topic write on the original post , those arguments have already been mentioned there.

This was intended just to get together all the questions for a possible faq.

In that case I suggest you add you request to one of the already existing threads, requesting official errata.

Also:

The magic properties of a bonded object, including

any magic abilities added to the object, only function for
the wizard who owns it.

The rules themselves state that the magic abilities (including the spell per day) are properties of the bonded object.

A wizard with a bonded object is not a sort of spontaneous caster who does not need to prepare his spells in advance.

I'd like to add to the list.

• Does the casting granted by the arcane bonded item count as 'casting of a spell without preparation' needed for some prestige classes (as Dragon Disciple)?
  
• Does it count as a spontaneous casting slot (for feats/prc/etc.)?
  
• Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?
  
• A bonded item can also be a magic item previously. The ability states that if it is replaced it loses all it's abilities and becomes a standard masterwork item. So does it lose even the properties that were not added by the wizard
  
• As in the previous point. It says it's magical properties only function for the wizard. Does this also apply to the properties it had before being bonded?
  

• A bonded item can also be a magic item previously. The ability states that if it is replaced it loses all it's abilities and becomes a standard masterwork item. So does it lose even the properties that were not added by the wizard

No. Because the rule says: "the object reverts to being an ordinary masterwork item of the appropriate type

Revert is defined as: "To return to a former condition, practice, subject, or belief."

The item will in other words return to its unbound condition. It does not become disenchanted.

• As in the previous point. It says it's magical properties only function for the wizard. Does this also apply to the properties it had before being bonded?
  

It only applies to the powers pertinent to the bond.

The rules state that: "that the new magic item retains its abilities while gaining the benefits and drawbacks of becoming a bonded item.
The rules do not suggest that the former abilities of said item become exclusive to the wizard, though it makes a reasonable house rule.

Really, TheGrandfather, no offense intended but there's no need to double-post your opinions here.

I'd like this thread to be clean and a summary for when (if) the sages around here have time to answer some precise questions and don't have to browse the 140+ posts on the other one.

Feel free to contribute your own questions, but once again, there's no reasoning in copypasting here everything you say in the other thread.

For opinions or going on with the discussion, please use the other thread . Just questions that need official answer here, please.

List so far:

• Does the casting granted by the arcane bonded item count as 'casting of a spell without preparation' needed for some prestige classes (as Dragon Disciple)?
  
• Does it count as a spontaneous casting slot (for feats/prc/etc.)?
  
• Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?
  
• A bonded item can also be a magic item previously. The ability states that if it is replaced it loses all it's abilities and becomes a standard masterwork item. So does it lose even the properties that were not added by the wizard?
  
• As in the previous point. It says it's magical properties only function for the wizard. Does this also apply to the properties it had before being bonded?
  
• Can you bond with an artifact? does it lose it's powers if the wizard dies?
  

I am only trying to provide the answers you seek.

• Can you bond with an artifact? does it lose it's powers if the wizard dies?
  

Since the answer to the second question is "no" the one to the first must be "no" as well.

Question for Jason, not part of the debate:
Assuming its ruled that a wizard can take DD, why was it ruled that a sorcerer with the bond can not?

Updating...

For opinions or going on with the discussion, please use the other thread . Just questions that need official answer here, please.

List so far:

• Does the casting granted by the arcane bonded item count as 'casting of a spell without preparation' needed for some prestige classes (as Dragon Disciple)? If he can be a DD, why a sorcerer with Arcane Bond (with Arcane bloodline) can't (as he wouldn't be draconic bloodline)?
  
• Does it count as a spontaneous casting slot (for feats/prc/etc.)?
  
• Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?
  
• A bonded item can also be a magic item previously. The ability states that if it is replaced it loses all it's abilities and becomes a standard masterwork item. So does it lose even the properties that were not added by the wizard?
  
• As in the previous point. It says it's magical properties only function for the wizard. Does this also apply to the properties it had before being bonded?
  
• Can you bond with an artifact? does it lose it's powers if the wizard dies?
  

Question for Jason, not part of the debate:

Assuming its ruled that a wizard can take DD, why was it ruled that a sorcerer with the bond can not?

... Because they don't want people to try to get the benefits of 2 bloodlines. It really makes no sense for any other sorcerous bloodline to start saying "Oh, wait, I get my power from my family dalliances with dragons too!"

wraithstrike wrote:

Question for Jason, not part of the debate:

Assuming its ruled that a wizard can take DD, why was it ruled that a sorcerer with the bond can not?

... Because they don't want people to try to get the benefits of 2 bloodlines. It really makes no sense for any other sorcerous bloodline to start saying "Oh, wait, I get my power from my family dalliances with dragons too!"

From an in-game perspective it would silly for a wizard to qualify due to arcane bond, but not a sorcerer. It could have been ruled that the DD was so powerful that you arcane blood line abilities were replaced by dragon ones.

The other options was that you only get an increased bloodline abilities if you are already a dragon bloodline sorcerer.

I will admit I never thought of getting two bloodline abilities.

At this point its just a mental exercise and I am 99% sure the wizard thing wont go over anyway.

This seems like something that any Dungeon Master should easily be able to decide for themselves. Why such long threads involving wizards and dragon disciples anyway?

Arcane Bond is quoted as (Ex or Sp). Is that spell casting as a spell-like ability (if so, it would need no components of any kind!) or is that an extraordinary ability? If so, which part is the spell-like in Arcane Bond?

Here's how I'm ruling this:

I'm assuming the RAI are that materials components are needed for the spell to be cast. Here's why:

This spell is treated like any other spell cast by the wizard, including casting time, duration and other effects dependent on the wizard's level.

If the wizard normally needs a component to cast the spell, it makes sense that his bonus spell be treated just like the ordinary spell. This is by no means official, but it seems to me the intent is to not give a 17th level wizard the ability to cast Wish once a day for free.