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Bestiary mentions that lycanthrope player characters should be treated as playing "powerful race" and links to the page 313. At page 313, word "powerful" is mentioned again, character with such race should count as having +1 class level. Thus group with average level 8 characters could have "half-orc werewolf fighter 7", correct?
...and here we come to the next question:
Does PC gain racial HitDices from base animal or not? I cant see it written anywhere and it is not shown in examples of wererat and werewolf. Still, it has caused lots of depate with my gaming group and hours of reading through the rules word by word.
Could I get working combo from:
Half orc
Afflicted lycanthrope werewolf
Advancement by Class: fighter
Effective Character Level: 8
Thank you!
Bestiary mentions that lycanthrope player characters should be treated as playing "powerful race" and links to the page 313. At page 313, word "powerful" is mentioned again, character with such race should count as having +1 class level. Thus group with average level 8 characters could have "half-orc werewolf fighter 7", correct?...and here we come to the next question:
Does PC gain racial HitDices from base animal or not? I cant see it written anywhere and it is not shown in examples of wererat and werewolf. Still, it has caused lots of depate with my gaming group and hours of reading through the rules word by word.
Could I get working combo from:
Half orc
Afflicted lycanthrope werewolf
Advancement by Class: fighter
Effective Character Level: 8Thank you!
Paizo simplified the way many of the templtes work (thankfully) and made it to where they remain viable longer through your career (again.. thankfully).
Does PC gain racial HitDices from base animal or not?
No, animal hit dice are not factored into the lycan tmplate any more. You gain the +1 CR to your character (with it's statted out bonuses), but you don't have to deal with the animal hit dice.
Half orc
Afflicted lycanthrope werewolf
Advancement by Class: fighter
Effective Character Level: 8
the Beastiary specifically suggests against using the afflicted lycan option, as if you fail your roll to control your form, you go on a wanton killing spree... specifically targetting humanoids. (ie -your teammates)
Other than that, here is a quck breakdown of what you wouldget for being a half orc fighter 7/lycan (+1 cr)
flat +2 Wis, as well as low-light vision and the scent ability. And of course the ability to shift into hybrid and animal form.
Hybrid form:
+2 to Str and Con -OR- you can use the ability scores of the base animal (in this case a wolf).
Use your half-orc speed (not your animal speed)
you gain two claws and a bite
you gain DR 5/silver.
i believe this is it.
Hope this helps (and hope i've read the rules correctly
Thanks for the answers Eben. It seems either this issue is very clear or lycanthropes are more rare what I thought.
I agree, that lycanthrope template was tuned down a bit and simplified. +1 class level (formerly known as Level Adjustment +1) is good enough balancing factor. Most lycanthrope traits and animal traits are usable only in animal and hybrid forms, and in somewhat lawful world lycanthrope player really needs to hide his origins.
Thankfully GM is the final arbiter and can decide how animalistic, evil and uncontrollable lycanthrope PC is on bestial forms.
Final note, on hybrid form:
2 claw attacks were dropped with Bestiary (character gains all natural attack types from base animal; wolf has only a bite attack).
Does anyone know what to do if the base animal isn't a wolf. For example a Were-Dire-Wolf or a Were-Tiger? I don't think the CR adjustment would still be +1.
Also I think the +2 STR/CON would be on top of what ever animal stats are higher in hybrid form. Not 100% but that's how I understood it.
The CR-adjustment is +1 compared to whichever is higher of the base creature's CR or the base animal's CR.
You are correct about the ability adjustments. At least, that's how I've always understood it as well.