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I just noticed this the other day, and had not previously been aware that the spell invisibility, and therefore all of it's higher level versions, since they state they act like invisibility, all have a weight limit of 100 lbs per CL. I'm willing to bet this effectively rules out by RAW most large or larger monsters from ever taking advantage of this tactic. Since even if a dragon or a giant or whatever has a decent caster level, the majority of them are going to weigh in excess of 2000 lbs which would effectively prohibit them from gaining any advantage of invisibility even at CL 20.
Any thoughts, ways around this by RAW?
Any interjections by the developers would be appreciated. Was this intentional?
I just noticed this the other day, and had not previously been aware that the spell invisibility, and therefore all of it's higher level versions, since they state they act like invisibility, all have a weight limit of 100 lbs per CL. I'm willing to bet this effectively rules out by RAW most large or larger monsters from ever taking advantage of this tactic. Since even if a dragon or a giant or whatever has a decent caster level, the majority of them are going to weigh in excess of 2000 lbs which would effectively prohibit them from gaining any advantage of invisibility even at CL 20.
Any thoughts, ways around this by RAW?
Any interjections by the developers would be appreciated. Was this intentional?
They cast it on themselves. The target is you (no weight restrition) or a creature or object weighting up to 100lb/CL. In othre ords, no matter your weight, you can always make yourself invisible, but making othre things invisible is tricier if they're massive.
I just noticed this the other day, and had not previously been aware that the spell invisibility, and therefore all of it's higher level versions, since they state they act like invisibility, all have a weight limit of 100 lbs per CL. I'm willing to bet this effectively rules out by RAW most large or larger monsters from ever taking advantage of this tactic. Since even if a dragon or a giant or whatever has a decent caster level, the majority of them are going to weigh in excess of 2000 lbs which would effectively prohibit them from gaining any advantage of invisibility even at CL 20.
Any thoughts, ways around this by RAW?
Any interjections by the developers would be appreciated. Was this intentional?
Target: you or a creature or object weighing no more than 100 lbs./level
The weight is only limited to objects. This was done to stop cheese such as making a building invisible, as an example. If the 100 lbs per level applied to everything it would read more like "Target: you or a creature or object, none of which can weigh more than 100 lbs./level"
Hmm, I guess that makes sense. Perhaps my understanding of the english language and its forms of punctuation just aren't as good as I thought. I still kind of think it could be taken either way. But it certainly wouldn't make sense to have on a larger creatures spell list if they couldn't use it, so your guy's interpretation is probably correct.
Hmm, I guess that makes sense. Perhaps my understanding of the english language and its forms of punctuation just aren't as good as I thought. I still kind of think it could be taken either way. But it certainly wouldn't make sense to have on a larger creatures spell list if they couldn't use it, so your guy's interpretation is probably correct.
Oh, I think your understanding of English is just fine. It is a crappy sentence. In fact, the way it is worded literally means just what you thought, except it precludes the caster from the weight limit.
They cast it on themselves. The target is you (no weight restrition) or a creature or object weighting up to 100lb/CL. In othre ords, no matter your weight, you can always make yourself invisible, but making othre things invisible is tricier if they're massive.
Even if it didn't make the dragon completely invisible, would you want to tell them that? I mean, they could get rather peeved ... best just to pretend that you can't see them and go along with it ...
They cast it on themselves. The target is you (no weight restrition) or a creature or object weighting up to 100lb/CL. In othre ords, no matter your weight, you can always make yourself invisible, but making othre things invisible is tricier if they're massive.Even if it didn't make the dragon completely invisible, would you want to tell them that? I mean, they could get rather peeved ... best just to pretend that you can't see them and go along with it ...
Actually a fine way to treat all dragons. Just act like they are invisible. It works great! ;D
The sleeping dragon your party is carefully surrounding...
Is an illusion...
The dragon is invisible and levitating above you....
Thought you might like to know!
Ah, memories. Happened to our group back in high school when we first started playing AD&D. Talk about a real shocker for us.
Was an absolutely brilliant move from our DM back in the day.
Course that was back when a Dragons Breath Weapon damage was equal to his hit points. Dragon had 88 HP's, breath did 88 damage.
Needless to say we were denied saves from the invisible attacker. Was a painful 3 rounds. Dragon's hoard got bigger and we assumed he leveled off of us...