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Hi.

I have an elven (former female half-orc, now reincarnated as an male elf, don't ask) monk who is very, very good at cooking (he will also take Skill Focus for this in the near future) and I am currently thinking about the feat Master Craftsman to give him something special.

Usually the feat allows you to take the feats "Craft Magic Armor & Weapons" and/or "Craft Wondrous Item". In combination with cooking I do not see much usage of this. Brew potion is not allowed, which would be much more useful for the character. But from "Elves of Golarion" I heard that they can create magic food via "Brew Potion".

My first question about the feat is this: Must I still know the required spells for making magic items? The description of the feat is not clear here, I think.

If yes, then the feat is useless for me.

If no, then I am thinking about to take the "Craft Wondrous Item" but with the focus only to create such magic food.

But before I ask my gamemaster I wanted to understand the feat itself.

What do you think?

Andoran (Pathfinder Superscriber)

Sven Gerkens wrote:

Hi.

I have an elven (former female half-orc, now reincarnated as an male elf, don't ask) monk who is very, very good at cooking (he will also take Skill Focus for this in the near future) and I am currently thinking about the feat Master Craftsman to give him something special.

Usually the feat allows you to take the feats "Craft Magic Armor & Weapons" and/or "Craft Wondrous Item". In combination with cooking I do not see much usage of this. Brew potion is not allowed, which would be much more useful for the character. But from "Elves of Golarion" I heard that they can create magic food via "Brew Potion".

My first question about the feat is this: Must I still know the required spells for making magic items? The description of the feat is not clear here, I think.

If yes, then the feat is useless for me.

If no, then I am thinking about to take the "Craft Wondrous Item" but with the focus only to create such magic food.

But before I ask my gamemaster I wanted to understand the feat itself.

What do you think?

If you do not meet the requirements for making an item (including the spell requirements), each missing requirement adds +5 to the Crafting DC. so with Master Craftsman, you don't NEED to, it just makes things harder.

Under the rules, there aren't any Wondrous Foods. There are some elixirs, but that's not the same thing. Personally, I think limiting it to only two crafting feats is a bit silly and would let you take brew potion for food, but that's something you'd need to talk to the GM about.

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

I agree with Paul Watson - this is clearly a situation where your GM's judgment is relevant.

Regarding the Master Craftsman feat - essentially it allows you to use your craft ranks to qualify for certain things. You still need to meet all crafting requirements such as spells (either by having handy spell knowledge, by using UMD and a scroll, an PC/NPC with the spell, or replace the requirement by increasing the crafting DC by 5).

Osirion (Paizo Charter Superscriber)

What Paul and Lorekeeper said - great idea for the PC by the way! I suggest you point him to Master Craftsman *before* he takes skill focus by the way - he's going to use a bunch of feats to do this.


Majuba wrote:
What Paul and Lorekeeper said - great idea for the PC by the way! I suggest you point him to Master Craftsman *before* he takes skill focus by the way - he's going to use a bunch of feats to do this.

Yes, I will ask my GM about this.

I think I will ask about "Brew Potion" as the possible feat, but in the form of magic food, like:

Candy of Guidance (they are yummy, too)
Soup of Remove Disease (with chicken)
Tea of Lesser Restoration (a little bitter, but you know, the bitter, the better)
Spice of Purify Food & Water (that will improve every food, even fast food)
Carrot Cake of Remove Blindness (Carrots are good for the eyes)
Burger of Bull's Strength (made only from argentinian, ehr, varisian beef)
Chewing Gum of Delay Poison (with mint)
Sausage of Holding Animal (great among guard dogs)
Fish sticks of Water Breathing (fishy)

Oh, I so hope he says "Yes".


Lol, might I suggest Calming Tea? A Tea that functions as the Calm Emotions spell (not too far from the effects of some actual teas)? I allowed an Alchemist to make that with Craft (Alchemy) and Brew Potions once just for fun, he gave it to the Barbarian King :P


Well, if I can put Crimson Aurochs energy beverage in Luven Lightfinger's Gear & Treasure shop, I don't see why not.


This may be one of the most singularly awesome ideas I have ever seen. I'd allow it, partially because it takes a lot of creativity, and partially because you never see ANYTHING like this done. I think it should be house-ruled as acceptable.

Additionally, it has often been said that, with enough ranks in a skill, one almost duplicate magical effects. I don't see why this would be any different. Frankly, I love the idea. I really hope your DM okay's it.


Sven Gerkens wrote:

Hi.

I have an elven (former female half-orc, now reincarnated as an male elf, don't ask) monk who is very, very good at cooking (he will also take Skill Focus for this in the near future) and I am currently thinking about the feat Master Craftsman to give him something special.

Usually the feat allows you to take the feats "Craft Magic Armor & Weapons" and/or "Craft Wondrous Item". In combination with cooking I do not see much usage of this. Brew potion is not allowed, which would be much more useful for the character. But from "Elves of Golarion" I heard that they can create magic food via "Brew Potion".

My first question about the feat is this: Must I still know the required spells for making magic items? The description of the feat is not clear here, I think.

If yes, then the feat is useless for me.

If no, then I am thinking about to take the "Craft Wondrous Item" but with the focus only to create such magic food.

But before I ask my gamemaster I wanted to understand the feat itself.

What do you think?

Sounds like a fun idea. From a mechanics standpoint, if you bake magic food that follows all the rules of brew potion (nothing higher then level 3, move action to use, etc...) you are just changing the special effects. Stuff like this adds a lot of flavor to a campaign. You only -need- to know the spell for spell trigger/completion items, otherwise you can fake it with a +5 to the check to make it. If you base your mechanics on potions, you should be fine.

Just go easy on the cookies of cure light wounds, those things are packed with calories.


Although Brew Potion makes a lot of sense, my personal inclination would be to go with the already allowed Craft Wondrous Item and make the various "consumables" (by which I mean limited-use items) that are on that list. The Elixirs are the most obvious, but I can even see things like "baked" versions of the Feather Tokens (Cookie Tokens?). Or even something like Universal Solvent and Sovereign Glue (in fact, in a failed effort at following a pasta recipe, I'm fairly certain I once discovered the recipe to the latter ;) ).

Though it's not a limited use item, also: rather than Murlynd's Spoon (or whatever its generic SRD name is) you could have "Merlyn's Endless Pot of Porridge."

At any rate, I don't see a reason to take the "fluff" of a given magic item as the only way to do it. If statistically they are they same, who cares if you've made the "Brownie of Love" rather than the "Elixir of Love."

Obviously agree with the above crew that says you need GM approval, but I think it would be a very fun application of the ability.


DeathQuaker wrote:

Although Brew Potion makes a lot of sense, my personal inclination would be to go with the already allowed Craft Wondrous Item and make the various "consumables" (by which I mean limited-use items) that are on that list. The Elixirs are the most obvious, but I can even see things like "baked" versions of the Feather Tokens (Cookie Tokens?). Or even something like Universal Solvent and Sovereign Glue (in fact, in a failed effort at following a pasta recipe, I'm fairly certain I once discovered the recipe to the latter ;) ).

Though it's not a limited use item, also: rather than Murlynd's Spoon (or whatever its generic SRD name is) you could have "Merlyn's Endless Pot of Porridge."

At any rate, I don't see a reason to take the "fluff" of a given magic item as the only way to do it. If statistically they are they same, who cares if you've made the "Brownie of Love" rather than the "Elixir of Love."

Obviously agree with the above crew that says you need GM approval, but I think it would be a very fun application of the ability.

The thing is: In "Elves of Golarion" are examples of magic foods, and as I have heard these can only be made with "Brew Potion" and "Profession Cook" instead of "Craft Wondrous Item". And some of these are very similar to the Elixirs.

I would like to see that my character could make foodstuff which works like potions because of the effects. I would like to use the elixirs also, if possible, because they are also consumables. My GM has not made a decision yet, but he likes the idea.

I like the "The Brownie of Love"-idea. Very nice.

The "Endless Pot of Porridge" idea is nice, but does not work with my idea, because it would create an item similar to the spoon, not just foodstuff.


i also planned on a similar "monk" who bakes magic pastries, she would call herself a shinban priestess and hail from the closest possible place to a fantasy version of fuedal Korea. her fighting style is based around various kicks and other forms of footwork. her pastries would be just about any possible consumable. however my variation of the concept required breaking the 3rd level spell limitation and the allowance of personal range spells. she was a freeform character at one point. her pastries, had the effects, of potions, elixirs, alchmeical items, and certain scrolls. she isn't so much a magical cook as much as a magical bakeress.


Khuldar wrote:


Stuff like this adds a lot of flavor to a campaign.

o.O

I had to read that three times before I was able to believe you slid that in there...
:D

GREAT character concept! Glad to hear your DM/GM/Referee is likin' the idea, too.


I currently play a druid almost 7th level currently. my DM brought a feat to my attention that does exactly what you are talking about, tho i cannot recall the name of it off the top of my head. one of the pre reqs was brew potion which I already have.

the jist of the feat allows you to prepare foods with magical potion-like qualities. creating food of this nature also made it so that the food does not spoil. I found this to be a great way to utilize my character in a non-combat way. for example, inviting the captain of the night watch to a great dinner that 1) "uplifts" him then and there , and 2) with a doggie bag for the road with differing effects is a great bribe for any 0'dark-30 deals you may need to make.

I'll try to find the name of it and get back to ya.

thus far I have come up with these ideas of stuff to make macaroons of extended vitality (got the extended spell feat too) and granola bars of barkskin, Boss Ton's Baked Beans of longstrider, (insert creativity here). and of course the healing stuffs great too. pralines of restoration will prove handy when exploring those haunted crypts.


its called culinaryashe and its from undefeatable 2 under druid. should be easy to transfer to monk tho


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