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I'm confused about Partial Cover. The diagram on page 194 seems to be wrong. The line running from Seoni (#4) to the ogre touches the wall, meaning it should be blocked, but it's shown as clear.

Also, let's say a ranger is a few squares (in a straight line) behind an ally who fights a medium monster at melee. Will the monster have cover or partial cover relative to the ranger?

M
A
X
X
R

(M - monster; A - ally; X - empty space; R - ranger)


encorus wrote:

I'm confused about Partial Cover. The diagram on page 194 seems to be wrong. The line running from Seoni (#4) to the ogre touches the wall, meaning it should be blocked, but it's shown as clear.

Also, let's say a ranger is a few squares (in a straight line) behind an ally who fights a medium monster at melee. Will the monster have cover or partial cover relative to the ranger?

M
A
X
X
R

(M - monster; A - ally; X - empty space; R - ranger)

No, the diagram shows that the line from Seoni to the Ogre touches the wall, HOWEVER since at least half of the Ogre is visible it has PARTIAL Cover, not Cover.

No where in that chart does it say it is "Clear." It specifically says Partial Cover, which is addressed on page 196.

Also, the rules clearly state that any creature that blocks your Line of Effect provides Cover. It is further clarified under Soft Cover on page 196, that Cover provided by a creature is Soft Cover and provides +4 AC but does NOT grant the bonus on Reflex Saves.

So using your diagram, the Monster has Soft Cover from the Ranger, so has a +4 to its AC vs the Ranger, but does not get any bonuses to Reflex saves vs the Ranger.


Krome wrote:

Also, the rules clearly state that any creature that blocks your Line of Effect provides Cover. It is further clarified under Soft Cover on page 196, that Cover provided by a creature is Soft Cover and provides +4 AC but does NOT grant the bonus on Reflex Saves.

So using your diagram, the Monster has Soft Cover from the Ranger, so has a +4 to its AC vs the Ranger, but does not get any bonuses to Reflex saves vs the Ranger.

Not to mention you take a -4 to hit for shooting into Melee. Precise Shot and Improved Precise Shot are such no-brainers that I almost wonder if the penalties are either too high, or the feats are too powerful. But then I think I should just keep my big mouth shut. :P


ZappoHisbane wrote:
Krome wrote:

Also, the rules clearly state that any creature that blocks your Line of Effect provides Cover. It is further clarified under Soft Cover on page 196, that Cover provided by a creature is Soft Cover and provides +4 AC but does NOT grant the bonus on Reflex Saves.

So using your diagram, the Monster has Soft Cover from the Ranger, so has a +4 to its AC vs the Ranger, but does not get any bonuses to Reflex saves vs the Ranger.

Not to mention you take a -4 to hit for shooting into Melee. Precise Shot and Improved Precise Shot are such no-brainers that I almost wonder if the penalties are either too high, or the feats are too powerful. But then I think I should just keep my big mouth shut. :P

Doh! I was going to mention that and forgot it! thanks for catching that!


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