I’ve gota say, if the reasoning for being able to quickdraw a weapon is that you’ve practiced over and over drawing it… Then having it apply to anything more than a single weapon is rather farfetched. After all, quickly drawing a dagger and quickly drawing a axe are two very different motions and would require very different muscle memory. If this is the reasoning, it should only be allowed for a weapon in which you have Weapon Focus. The fact that it already applies to any weapon, by any class, whether they are into weapon training or not, suggests that it is meant to be broad. After all, my 2nd level Wizard can take it and instantly be as fast drawing a dagger as he is drawing a greatsword.

Personally I see no reason why someone who can quickly draw any weapon in existence could not also quickly whip out a wand or a potion as long as it isn’t stored away out of reach. What they do with it after they have it out is another thing entirely.

It makes logical and thematic sense... for a different feat. *sigh* Personally I can see a version of quick draw for some arcane items (as I've said repeatedly), like wands. I don't see it for potions and scrolls. It's the "let me whip this out fast and now take my time to use it" aspect that bothers me.

Then you are focusing on the wrong part of the bleeding equation.

You position makes no sense if you take more than 5 seconds to think about the game works.

Then you are focusing on the wrong part of the bleeding equation.
Using a weapon: Move action to draw, standard action to use

Minor correction: for folks with a BAB of +1 or better drawing a weapon can be part of a move action which would include moving into place. if you're still at 0 BAB then you draw your weapon instead of moving.

Cartigan wrote:

Then you are focusing on the wrong part of the bleeding equation.
Using a weapon: Move action to draw, standard action to use

Minor correction: for folks with a BAB of +1 or better drawing a weapon can be part of a move action which would include moving into place. if you're still at 0 BAB then you draw your weapon instead of moving.

Technicality really. It's still a move action to draw a weapon anyway you swing it.

LazarX wrote:

Cartigan wrote:

Then you are focusing on the wrong part of the bleeding equation.
Using a weapon: Move action to draw, standard action to use

Minor correction: for folks with a BAB of +1 or better drawing a weapon can be part of a move action which would include moving into place. if you're still at 0 BAB then you draw your weapon instead of moving.

Technicality really. It's still a move action to draw a weapon anyway you swing it.

It's not really a technicality.

At zero BAB, drawing a weapon is a move action.

At +1 BAB, drawing it is half of a move action.

With the feat, drawing it is a swift action.

People need to stop saying it's a full move action to draw it at +1 BAB. it's not. It's part of a move action - not a full move action, but half of one. That's why Quick Draw theoretically makes sense; you're already drawing your weapon faster then a move action.

It's not really a technicality.

At zero BAB, drawing a weapon is a move action.

At +1 BAB, drawing it is half of a move action.

No, it's still a move action, but with the caveat that it can be performed during a move action if the character has +1 BAB.

There is no such thing as a "half-move action." It always takes a move action to draw a weapon, but a character with +1 BAB may perform the move action to draw a weapon and the move action to move at the same time thereby making the drawing of a weapon a conditional free action.

With a Base Attack of +1 or better, a character, regardless of type, may as a free action draw a weapon as part of that move action, they can still use it in the same turn with their remaining standard action if they so choose - this is as others have said.

With a Base Attack of +0, then yes, you cannot draw it as a free action while making a move action - you could move and draw it (but to do so would consume your rounds worth of actions) or draw it and stay still, which is still a move action.

Everyone gets a Full Round Action, or a Standard Action + Move Action, plus onto both of these you may add Free Actions, Swift Actions and Immediate Actions occur in the middle of another beings turn...of course, if you have abilities/spells/etc that utilise these additional action slots.

As to the nature of "Quickdraw" itself - it was really designed to allow fighter types to whip out their blades and for characters sporting hidden weapons to get them out a little bit faster (only a Move Action with the feat), so its a must for sneaky types who want to poke someone in the head in the same round they produce said pointy-sharp hidden blade and slice it into someones unsuspecting jugular.

Then you are focusing on the wrong part of the bleeding equation.

Using a weapon: Move action to draw, standard action to use
Using a potion: Move action to draw, standard action to use
Using a scroll: Move action to draw, standard action to use
Using a wand: Move action to draw, standard action to use

You position makes no sense if you take more than 5 seconds to think about the game works.

No. I'm not. I've thought about how this game works, in various editions, for a long time. Reading over the actions and feats (in the PFRPG Core book to make sure I'm not the victim of minor changes) I still have the same opinion on the issue. Ymmv of course. Looking over your comments above I note the following.

The difference is when drawing a weapon (or readying a shield) you can still move your full move as part of the move action (see the little #3 foot note in the PFRPG Core Rules Book) if you have a +1 bab. In short, as is noted under under the Quick Draw feat description, normally you can draw your weapon as a free action as part of a move action. If you use your move action to retrieve a potion, scroll or wand you can only move 5'. In short, you are subbing the other action (fetching the item from wherever it's stored) for the move and get only a limited move of 5' out of your "move action". They all take a standard action to attack / use of course. The draw weapon / ready shield actions also do not provoke an AoO. The others you mention do draw an AoO. So, you can move full and do it, no AoO... in short they take less time and / or attention than retrieving the other items. If you have the Quick Draw feat the weapon draw is a free action of course whether or not you move.

I've been patient and I understand that you don't agree with me, that's fine. But this can be discussed and explanations exchanged in a civil manner. We've both engaged in some mild sarcasm, but I don't think it needs to slip into not so veiled insults. If I hadn't spent a bit more than 5 seconds considering this we wouldn't be having this exchange now would we?

Incidentally, if I have offended, and on the net it's always possible to do so without intending to, I apologise.