Can such a thing exist ?

A class all about maintaining the balence between good and evil law and chaos ? could such a class even function or would the paradoxcial descision required drive most True Neutral Paladins Insane ?

with "Smite Other" ;) anything outside of a true neutral is fair game for balencing hehehe.

Or is a True Neutral Paladin just another name for an existing class ? if so which class would you conisder to be a True Neutral Paladin if such a thing can even exist.

I kind of have this thing about paladin being not the good word for "holy warrior/fighter". I would say yes, in the case of a holy warrior representing a true neutral god, but that might not be the typical Pathfinder Paladin.

Paladins are always going to be lawful good. Many people will say that there can be other types. But this game does have a history and changing the flavor of what has been core for so long is not something I would welcome.

The warrior for balance has always been classically the stomping grounds of druids and the like. I think a character of any class in The Green Faith for Golarion would be a good example as well.

But of course you can always put things in your game that keep you and your group happy. But taking a daisy and calling it a rose is on par with calling something a Paladin that is not LG IMO.

For those of you who are doubting what a paladin truly is, I suggest you go back and play some of the old-school RPG's that featured them like Final Fantasy IV (Cecil is a great example) and the like. They at the very BASE represent all that is good and right and strive to make root out evil and injustice.

If you don't want that, then fine, don't play a paladin. It is like saying "I want to play a Druid, but without all the stupid nature stuff and instead I want to use any kind of armor and get sneak attacks."

I think my brain just broke.

Check out the Concordant Killer (from WotC's MM4) to see what a creature wanting balance between Good, Evil, Law, and Chaos might look like.

I think my brain just broke.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:

I think my brain just broke.

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We must Kung-Fu fight!

Can such a thing exist ?

No. Paladins are paragons of law and good. Read the rulebook. If you want a True Neutral champion, create one! Be creative and do not use the term "paladin".

By the way, there is now an evil "paladin" as well. The antipaladin. Just so you know.

I think it is fairly obvious that while a paladin may serve a non-lawful good deity, he remains Lawful Good. It is a Lawful Good class.

People want a paladin for every alignment, event and colour combination. Please, please understand that a paladin is Lawful Good. That means the other eight odd alignments do not apply.

Unless you're an antipaladin, then you're Chaotic Evil and the other eight odd alignments do not apply.

Please, please understand that my D&D 3.x/Pathfinder paladin is Lawful Good.

Fixed that for you.

Chubbs McGee wrote:

Please, please understand that my D&D 3.x/Pathfinder paladin is Lawful Good.

Fixed that for you.

Fair enough!

However, would it not be better as:

"Please, please understand that the D&D 3.x/Pathfinder paladin is Lawful Good."

I do not tend to play paladins! :D

To be fair, I should have written it 'in my game the D&D 3.x/Pathfinder paladin is Lawful Good'. :) But it was too fun to imply you were a paladin player.

Ages ago in Dragon magazine there was an article that detailed a paladin of each alignment. There were two for true neutral that I think they were called Paramander and Paramandyr. One strove to maintain the balance of good v. evil while the other, in a more zealous role, attempted to enforce the balance by slaying those of extreme alignments.

I thought these were very cool and most, if not all - depending on the campaign, could be very workable. However, I have no recollection of their powers.

I think this link may be the article in question, but since it was so long ago that I read it I don't really recall.

http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Eadric/paladins/paladins.html

Check it out for yourself - I hope you find it helpful.

For those of you who are doubting what a paladin truly is, I suggest you go back and play some of the old-school RPG's that featured them like Final Fantasy IV (Cecil is a great example) and the like. They at the very BASE represent all that is good and right and strive to make root out evil and injustice.

Heh. Um. You know that D&D preceeded your (old-school) FFIV (1991) by some years, right? :)

To be fair, I should have written it 'in my game the D&D 3.x/Pathfinder paladin is Lawful Good'. :) But it was too fun to imply you were a paladin player.

Criminal. Just criminal. That is class vilification!

Heh. Um. You know that D&D preceeded your (old-school) FFIV (1991) by some years, right? :)

M

I still count Cecil as more paladin than any character I've heard of since. :P

Criminal. Just criminal. That is class vilification!

Yeah yeah, whacha gonna do, smite me? ;)

mearrin69 wrote:

Heh. Um. You know that D&D preceeded your (old-school) FFIV (1991) by some years, right? :)

M

I still count Cecil as more paladin than any character I've heard of since. :P

Chubbs McGee wrote:

Criminal. Just criminal. That is class vilification!

Yeah yeah, whacha gonna do, smite me? ;)

Cast protection from evil... You evil-doer!

Heh. Um. You know that D&D preceeded your (old-school) FFIV (1991) by some years, right? :)
M

While that is true, it would be entirely unreasonable to ask for people to go out and play a game of AD&D compared to playing some video games they have likely lying around they house or could borrow.