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So I was looking over my summoning lists again and I realized I only have 3 creatures on the Summon Monster 8 list:
Barbed Devil -- Evil, Lawful
Elemental (elder) -- elemental
Hezrou -- Chaotic, Evil
Which seems a woefully short list to me... so I checked the data base on the off chance that something just got cut off on accident in the book. The database however has the exact same summoning list, which means good clerics looking to summon a monster off of this list are reduced to elementals only.
Was this intentional?
I guess the question becomes: Why? It's not like you have a level where there are only good aligned choices. It just strikes me as wonky.
The reason is that there just wasn't enough monsters in the book to fill out the list with lots of choices, honestly. We'll likely be providing guidelines on expanding the summon monster lists once Bestiary 2 rolls around.
Until then, though, yeah. It's elemental time. Fortunately there are four different flavors of elemental to choose from...
How about throwing a few dragons on those lists?
Perhaps also summon a creature from the Monster 7 list, and throw the advanced template on it?
Wait. I can summon an Ettin, but not a Unicorn? I don't know what to believe in anymore...
Yeah, the unicorn was the biggest blow to the SNA list in my opinion. I loved being able to port in any ally to kick off some healing and then proceed to gore and kick enemies until the duration expired.
Shame.
I guess the question becomes: Why? It's not like you have a level where there are only good aligned choices. It just strikes me as wonky.The reason is that there just wasn't enough monsters in the book to fill out the list with lots of choices, honestly. We'll likely be providing guidelines on expanding the summon monster lists once Bestiary 2 rolls around.
Until then, though, yeah. It's elemental time. Fortunately there are four different flavors of elemental to choose from...
What about summoning a genie? Is that a bit over the top?
All's I'm saying is, if I was a healthy adult male wizard, and I just hit level 15, I would be summoning a Marid, and I would have my Wizard Hat and robe PREPARED, if you get my drift. Scrolls of Transmute self to Rhinoceros would litter the floor.
I guess the question becomes: Why? It's not like you have a level where there are only good aligned choices. It just strikes me as wonky.The reason is that there just wasn't enough monsters in the book to fill out the list with lots of choices, honestly. We'll likely be providing guidelines on expanding the summon monster lists once Bestiary 2 rolls around.
Until then, though, yeah. It's elemental time. Fortunately there are four different flavors of elemental to choose from...
What about summoning a genie? Is that a bit over the top?
All's I'm saying is, if I was a healthy adult male wizard, and I just hit level 15, I would be summoning a Marid, and I would have my Wizard Hat and robe PREPARED, if you get my drift. Scrolls of Transmute self to Rhinoceros would litter the floor.
My only question is why you would only want one Marid when you could have 1d4+1 Succubi...
What about summoning a genie? Is that a bit over the top?
All's I'm saying is, if I was a healthy adult male wizard, and I just hit level 15, I would be summoning a Marid, and I would have my Wizard Hat and robe PREPARED, if you get my drift. Scrolls of Transmute self to Rhinoceros would litter the floor.
Sounds like a lot of work for 90 seconds of fun. ;-)
So I was looking over my summoning lists again and I realized I only have 3 creatures on the Summon Monster 8 list:
Barbed Devil -- Evil, Lawful
Elemental (elder) -- elemental
Hezrou -- Chaotic, EvilWhich seems a woefully short list to me... so I checked the data base on the off chance that something just got cut off on accident in the book. The database however has the exact same summoning list, which means good clerics looking to summon a monster off of this list are reduced to elementals only.
Was this intentional?
SM XIII just happens to be a poor summoning spell.
However, note (for those who can summon evil creatures) that the Barbed Devil and the Hezrou used to be on the SM IX list, and the monsters that used to be on the SM XIII list are all down there at lower level summonings.
For example:
3.5, Wizard uses SM XIII to summon one Vrock, or One Fiendish T-Rex, or one Celestial Triceratops, or one Fiendish Dire Tiger.
Pathfinder Wizard uses SM XIII to summon:
1d3 Vrocks
1d3 Fiendish or Celestial T-Rex's
1d4+1 Fiendish or Celestial Triceratops
1d4+1 Fiendish or Celestial Dire Tigers
Etc.
Though I do miss my Colossal Fiendish vermin though... ;)
Some monsters we wanted to leave off the list so that you'd need to use planar ally or planar binding to conjure them up. Genies are a great example of this.
Poor Daivrat. Not only does he have a useless class ability, they're forced to imprison their friends.
:P
Genie's friend boosts caster level - irrelevant for planar binding. And planar binding is quite unfriendly, while summon monster only calls willing creatures.
Sounds like a lot of work for 90 seconds of fun. ;-)What about summoning a genie? Is that a bit over the top?
All's I'm saying is, if I was a healthy adult male wizard, and I just hit level 15, I would be summoning a Marid, and I would have my Wizard Hat and robe PREPARED, if you get my drift. Scrolls of Transmute self to Rhinoceros would litter the floor.
Yeah, but every day.
Look at Summon Nature's Ally IX- it's even worse (Storm Giant & Pixie if I remember). It seems intentional to me.
LOL - I was just looking at the Animal Domain for Clerics. (More specifically for Druids taking a domain - but hey - it's listed under Clerics)
The level 8 slot is: Summon Nature's Ally VIII (animals only)
Guess how many animals are on the SNA VIII list?
if you guessed one, you guessed too high.
yeah - he HAS to use it to summon lower level critters - because there aren't ANY animals on the SNA VIII list...