Paizo Top Nav Branding
Welcome, guest! | Sign In | My Account | My Subscriptions | My Downloads | My Wishlists | Shopping Cart   Shopping Cart | Help/FAQ
About Paizo   Messageboards   News   Paizo Blog   Help/FAQ  
Search
Links
Shop

Messageboards

Sneak attack from Stealth RAW, by Diego Rossi

Evocation optimization?, by andreww

Two weapon fighting unarmed, by Mathmuse

Ganging up on your foes-aren't these guys supposed to be heroes?, by Finn K

Tiny Toon Adventures, by Dragon78

[Spes Magna Games] Quid Novi? for 2012, by Alzrius

Inquisitor build help, game tonight, by RedPorcupine

Bestiary 4 Wish List, by Dragon78

A Guide to Touch Spells, Spellstrike, and Spell Combat [Ver 0.1 Alpha], by Iced2k

Dispute with DM over a unfair trap, by leo1925

Changes for Guide 4.2 discussion, by Chot

Escape from Old Korvosa (GM Reference), by DM Aron Marczylo

Flanking house rules - sounds ok to you ?, by Ironballs

What monsters would fit in well in Louisiana?, by mdt

Removing Perception as a Skill, by Robespierre

Online Campaigns

Chapter 1: Just Beneath the Surface, by Roshan

Hunger and Darkness - Reclaiming Tar-Urkatha, by DM - Voice of the Voiceless

Tora no Senaka - The Back of the Tiger - Jade Regent IC Thread, by The Celestial Bureaucracy

DM Stephens Serpents Skull Campaign - OOC Discussion, by Mihai Soarta

Legacy of Fire, by Sanket

DM Bloodgargler Serpent's Skull Gameplay, by Mugambi

DM Rennick's Jade Regent: The Prophecy of the Seal, by Lirrathan

Of Battle, Wolves and Winter., by Sir Brechton

Runelords, by Tania Teg

Kyrademon's Transnational PBP -- Discussion, Description, and Preparation, by Kyrademon

DM Stephens Serpents Skull Campaign PBP Chapter 1: Smugglers Shiv, by Mihai Soarta

Wrath's RotRL, by Tania Teg

The Story of the Stone: Kyrademon's Jade Regent PBP, Part III, by Kyrademon

Jade Regent, presented by DM Hamied - Campaign Thread, by Setomi

DM Aron Marczylo's Curse of the Crimson Throne - Part 3, by Jerin

   RSS Recent Posts Facebook Twitter Email
Search
Search this Thread:


I have been toying with systems from several sources but none of them truly seems to be what I am looking for. The grim'n'gritty 4.0 rules are decent but I would like to keep the d20 roll. I have also been looking over monte cooks experimental might rules in regards to grace and toughness and like the idea of some portion of your hp coming back quickly and other portions not coming back quickly. I also like the idea that critical hits apply directly to the toughness portion similar to the method used in the Star Wars RPG. I have seen and even used the reserve hp system but it just isn't what I am looking for either. As this is going to be an online game, I would like to reduce the number of critical hits but keep them more deadly without going to far. So, I have attempted to combine some of the rules I have seen including a modification of the Green Ronin set critical damage rules. Here is my first draft and was hoping to get some feedback from the excellent community here.

Use the hit point rules from pathfinder society as the base meaning max at first level + set number based on hit die each level.

Hit Points are broken down into two parts:
1. Vitality = [Constitution Score + (Level x Con Modifier) + Toughness (if applicable)]
Vitality is your actual life force or physical condition. Damage to vitality causes the character to be fatigued immediately.
Reduced to 0 vitality = disabled
Less than 0 vitality = dying
Reduced to negative con score = dead

2. Stamina = Total - Vitality
Stamina returns at an accelerated rate outside of combat / physically straining situations.

Critical Hit rules are adjusted as follows:
1. Reduce base threat range by half.
2. Reduce multiplier by 1.
3. Confirmed critical hits apply directly to Vitality
4. A x2 multiplier does not double damage but instead adds half the weapons base damage to the damage roll. A x3 multiplier does not triple damage but instead doubles the base weapon damage to the damage roll.

Additional Concept Rules
1. Stamina can be spent to perform additional maneuvers. (not defined at this point)
2. Vitality can be spent to power additional spells (not completely defined at this point)

Thoughts?


I might recommend further reading into Monte Cook's Iron Heroes sourcebook. There's some incredible stuff in there. I'm at work or I'd quote it.


So much would need to be altered it hardly seems worth it.
As Matt Finch says about Swords & Wizardry: It is like being Batman, no super powers, nothing that makes you superior to anyone else other than your ambition, drive and the fact that you are scouring dungeons.

More modern games are very centered on gimmicks and additions like skills and feats. However, I sold Pathfinder on my Labyrinth Lord group because sometimes you want to be Spiderman and stand out from the crowd.

Neither approach is better than the other, but newer versions of the game just don't strike one as being as grim as struggling to keep a wizard based on 0E or B/X D&D alive.

Grim and gritty just doesn't jive with 3.0+, not even Green Ronin's Black Company setting was that grim, and the books are quite gritty for any who have read them.


You thought about useing the old vitality points from Star wars d20? That might work

Another thought would be to allow them to have con as HP+ a race based booster and never gain HP after that. Ya would need to limit CR of what they fight a bit, it would be brutal


Paizo / Messageboards / Paizo Publishing / Pathfinder® / Pathfinder RPG / General Discussion / All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.

Recent threads in General Discussion

Ganging up on your foes-aren't these guys supposed to be heroes?
Ring of Sustanance: Gimmick or Awesome Sauce?
Roleplaying Memories
Looking for people to play with online..how?
Why all the Fighter hate?
Experience of new classes, how do they play out?
10 things you love and hate about PF
Barbarian archtype / Titan Mauler / level 3 / Massive Weapon
Why all the Fighter haste?
Roleplaying Memories
Stoneskin as a second level spell.
What are some things about the Pathfinder rules that you think most people do not know?
Why are barbarians barbarians and not berzerkers?
Paizo Blog: Revenge of the FAQ Attack!
Magic Item crafting woes
Backblast area clear!!!
That's NO WAY for a PC to die.
Reoccurring Threads
Paizo Blog: FAQ Attack!
One-shot Adventure for level 4 party



©2002–2012 Paizo Publishing, LLC®. Need help? Email customer.service@paizo.com or call 425-250-0800 Monday–Friday, 10 AM–5 PM Pacific Time. View our privacy policy. Paizo Publishing, LLC, the Paizo golem logo, GameMastery, Pathfinder, Planet Stories, and Undefeated are registered trademarks of Paizo Publishing, LLC, and Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Pathfinder Adventure PathPathfinder Player Companion, Pathfinder Modules, Pathfinder Tales, Pathfinder Society, Pathfinder Battles, PaizoCon, RPG Superstar, The Golem's Got It, Titanic Games, the Titanic logo, and the Planet Stories planet logo are trademarks of Paizo Publishing, LLC. Dungeons & Dragons, Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron are registered trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc., and have been used by Paizo Publishing under license. Most product names are trademarks owned or used under license by the companies that publish those products; use of such names without mention of trademark status should not be construed as a challenge to such status.