I couldn't help but notice one small thing in the Bestiary about the half dragons.

“Half-dragon” is an inherited or acquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

I personally miss the PRC that allows obtaining the template, so I hope this might come in time.

I would guess a left over text. Pretty cut and paste standard templet wording it seems.

Just about any template could be theoretically 'acquired' by Miracle or Wish or something. For the Scarred Lands setting, there were True Rituals that allowed one to become a Vampire, for instance, without ever meeting another Vampire, by just performing a difficult ritual (using rules similar to the SRD Incantation rules), and I'd be completely in support of rituals / Incantations that allow someone to grant someone a half-elemental, celestial, fiendish or draconic template by taking out their heart and replacing it with fire or whatever.

Thoughts to that effect.

I should probably work the Heart of Power true ritual up as an Incantation, instead. Some day...

Well I can only hope that we get an official way to get the template, like though a PrC or something.

Well I can only hope that we get an official way to get the template, like though a PrC or something.

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Well I can only hope that we get an official way to get the template, like though a PrC or something.

Does Dragon Disciple (PathfinerRPG p. 380) do this?

I was rather pissed as that was always the entire original point of the PrC, mechanically speaking.

Lord Fyre wrote:

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Well I can only hope that we get an official way to get the template, like though a PrC or something.

Does Dragon Disciple (PathfinerRPG p. 380) do this?

No, that was gone from the DD sense their version came out.

I was rather pissed as that was always the entire original point of the PrC, mechanically speaking.

Edit to add: The flight speed is far superior to the old DD (90' rather than base land speed), and you get a total of +7 natural armor (instead of just +4). Your breath weapon is going to be doing much more damage too (d6 per level, instead of max 6d8). In fact, the only things you're losing as far as I can see are +4 STR, +4 CON and +2 CHA. With belts of physical perfection now in the game, those attribute bonuses are not nearly as significant.

Got to agree with Zappo

As a 3/4 BAB PrC that required spontaneous casting ability to enter, for a pure combat build, it left something to be desired (unless you were playing Neverwinter Nights - then it rocked).

giving it spellcasting progression has made it a decent gish prestige class, an interesting choice for a Fighter/Sorcerer or a Bard.

Also, importantly, it still gives the female sorceress claws *RAWRRRR*

Sorry if this is snarky, but I could care less which is better. You are going off topic, seems trollish, please stop.

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

He went on a thread where we were talking about being able to acquire the the half dragon template and started talking about how grand the new DD was. The new DD does not let you acquire the half dragon template, so it is off topic by my perspective.

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

He went on a thread where we were talking about being able to acquire the the half dragon template and started talking about how grand the new DD was. The new DD does not let you acquire the half dragon template, so it is off topic by my perspective.

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

This seems rather sensitiveish.

I apologize again.

P.S. I guess I should have added that I still was sort of pissed about it. Or maybe my blood sugar is getting low.

Back in 3.5, I always wanted to create a Warforged Barbarian 5/Sorcerer 1 going into Dragon Disciple. The very idea of a Warforged transforming into a draconic monster just screamed "awesome" to me. I had visions of him first getting his bite attack, and his mouth tearing open like Eva Unit 01. It would have been sweet.

Sadly, I can't really do this now. Kind of a bummer. But I'm sure I could persuade a DM to allow it, if I ever got the chance to play a Warforged...

I couldn't help but notice one small thing in the Bestiary about the half dragons.

PRD wrote:

“Half-dragon” is an inherited or acquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

Is this a left over from 3.5, or is this, as I hope, a sign of things to come?

Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures--most are the result of strange magical experiments.

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

I couldn't help but notice one small thing in the Bestiary about the half dragons.

PRD wrote:

“Half-dragon” is an inherited or acquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

Is this a left over from 3.5, or is this, as I hope, a sign of things to come?

Bestiary, p.170 wrote:

Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures--most are the result of strange magical experiments.

Being world-flavor, this is absent from the online PRD; but it explains the "acquired" bit quite clearly. :)

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

He went on a thread where we were talking about being able to acquire the the half dragon template and started talking about how grand the new DD was. The new DD does not let you acquire the half dragon template, so it is off topic by my perspective.

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

Bestiary, p.170 wrote:

Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures--most are the result of strange magical experiments.

Being world-flavor, this is absent from the online PRD; but it explains the "acquired" bit quite clearly. :)

Back in 3.5, I always wanted to create a Warforged Barbarian 5/Sorcerer 1 going into Dragon Disciple. The very idea of a Warforged transforming into a draconic monster just screamed "awesome" to me. I had visions of him first getting his bite attack, and his mouth tearing open like Eva Unit 01. It would have been sweet.

Sadly, I can't really do this now. Kind of a bummer. But I'm sure I could persuade a DM to allow it, if I ever got the chance to play a Warforged...

tejón wrote:

Bestiary, p.170 wrote:

Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures--most are the result of strange magical experiments.

Being world-flavor, this is absent from the online PRD; but it explains the "acquired" bit quite clearly. :)

This explains why my breakfast omelette tasted funny. And the wings.

Well, I think this is great. Inflammatory sneezes are useful in this swine-flu-stricken time.

Back in 3.5, I always wanted to create a Warforged Barbarian 5/Sorcerer 1 going into Dragon Disciple. The very idea of a Warforged transforming into a draconic monster just screamed "awesome" to me. I had visions of him first getting his bite attack, and his mouth tearing open like Eva Unit 01. It would have been sweet.

Sadly, I can't really do this now. Kind of a bummer. But I'm sure I could persuade a DM to allow it, if I ever got the chance to play a Warforged...

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage.

You. Brought. It. Up.

I. Am. Everywhere.

Which is better though, a half-dragon or a Dragon Disciple?

the half-dragon gets the full template. It depends on what you want, but typically higher level spells is more desireable for a spellcaster class than higher STR.

Heavily Armored Cleric wrote:

I. Am. Everywhere.

Even in the nest of rust monster over in that antimagic field?

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

He went on a thread where we were talking about being able to acquire the the half dragon template and started talking about how grand the new DD was. The new DD does not let you acquire the half dragon template, so it is off topic by my perspective.

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

You. Brought. It. Up.

KaeYoss wrote:

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

calling him troll is uncalled for as you brought up the subject. He was 100% on topic with what you said. If you did not wish anyone to comment on it , you should not have posted it.

If your wanting a templet applied well wish or miracle can do that

He went on a thread where we were talking about being able to acquire the the half dragon template and started talking about how grand the new DD was. The new DD does not let you acquire the half dragon template, so it is off topic by my perspective.

It would be like jumping into the discussion about clerics and mithral heavy armor proficiency thread, and blazing all about how much better the cleric was now, and that mithral is sooo much better now that it can deal silver type damage. That just seems "trollish" to me. I never called him a troll as it did not seem like an intentional act, but it seemed similar; thus the "ish".

You. Brought. It. Up.

No Lord Fyre did. I never brought up a PrC that has nothing to do with the half dragon template any more.

And then it was you who started to said he was pissed about the changes to the class, something that was not part of the discussion, and therefore off-topic. No one minded too much.

Someone replied to your complained and offered his opinion that he liked the new Dragon Disciple.

What was your reaction? Called the poor guy a troll out of thin air. Really not classy.