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joela, Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:47 PM

Everyone!

Per Vic Wertz, Technical Director of Paizo:

From where I sit, it's August 13, the official release date of the Pathfinder RPG. And as a co-owner of Paizo Publishing and someone with a significant role in what some refer to as "the edition wars," I have an announcement to make:

The Edition Wars are over, and we have all won.

Full Post

My take? Yup ;-)

Sayler Van Merlin, Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:52 PM

joela wrote:

Everyone!

Per Vic Wertz, Technical Director of Paizo:

From where I sit, it's August 13, the official release date of the Pathfinder RPG. And as a co-owner of Paizo Publishing and someone with a significant role in what some refer to as "the edition wars," I have an announcement to make:

The Edition Wars are over, and we have all won.

Full Post

My take? Yup ;-)

Mikaze, Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sayler Van Merlin wrote:

joela wrote:

Everyone!

Per Vic Wertz, Technical Director of Paizo:

From where I sit, it's August 13, the official release date of the Pathfinder RPG. And as a co-owner of Paizo Publishing and someone with a significant role in what some refer to as "the edition wars," I have an announcement to make:

The Edition Wars are over, and we have all won.

Full Post

My take? Yup ;-)

+1

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All edition wars(and console wars(and cola wars)) do is make me irritated with the warriors. There's plenty of game to go around.

The sentiment in the blog is certainly one I can get behind.(or rather, have been behind)

mach1.9pants (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:56 PM

Here here:
]Check out my (made in 5 mins) ENWorld sig
I made this after getting sick of Edition Wars

joela, Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:57 PM

mach1.9pants wrote:

Here here:
]Check out my (made in 5 mins) ENWorld sig
I made this after getting sick of Edition Wars

LUV the sig. Seen it over at EN World. Hmmm. Wonder if it could be printed onto a shirt....

Gene, Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 10:58 PM

Mikaze wrote:

All edition wars(and console wars(and cola wars)) do is make me irritated with the warriors. There's plenty of game to go around.

Agreed!

Chaotic_Blues (Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 02:18 AM

I love it when every one wins.

Gorbacz (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 02:22 AM

Die 4th Ed die !

Drags out a 4ed PHB and incinerates it with his flamethrower

Oh wait, the Edition Wars are over ?

Who won ?

We did ? YAY !

They too ? OK, I can roll with that.

Let's all hug together !

And then lot's go bash WoD and WFRP.

Thurgon, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:17 AM

joela wrote:

Everyone!

Per Vic Wertz, Technical Director of Paizo:

From where I sit, it's August 13, the official release date of the Pathfinder RPG. And as a co-owner of Paizo Publishing and someone with a significant role in what some refer to as "the edition wars," I have an announcement to make:

The Edition Wars are over, and we have all won.

Full Post

My take? Yup ;-)

I respectfully disagree. Some people lost in the edition wars. As some things were dropped or changed that make backwards compatability non-existant to 3.5.

KaeYoss (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Fiction, Planet Stories Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:29 AM

So if we won, where are our reparations? And what are our reparations, exactly?

Will there be the usual after-the-war tribunals?

Prime Evil (Planet Stories Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:31 AM

My hat of d02 know no limit!!!!

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31914

(WARNING: DO NOT READ THIS THREAD WHILE DRINKING ANYTHING)

Gene, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:32 AM

So...

When do we get our d21s?

Taliesin Hoyle (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:37 AM

Prime Evil wrote:

My hat of d02 know no limit!!!!

Forum.rpg.net

(WARNING: DO NOT READ THIS CLASSIC THREAD WHILE DRINKING ANYTHING)

Murkmoldiev, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:40 AM

Ive stayed out of it all as Ive allways thought we are gamers all together !
We love games of the imagination !
Its all wasted breath when we could be helping each other with new ideas.

Here Here !

Lets refer all debasers to Vics Post and get on with our lives !

Bring the love.

Hydro (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 03:41 AM

Thurgon wrote:

I respectfully disagree. Some people lost in the edition wars. As some things were dropped or changed that make backwards compatability non-existant to 3.5.

I speak with just as much respect when I say that I don't know what 3.P change you're upset about, but I HIGHLY doubt you'll still be upset about it a year from now, or even a month from that matter.

Maybe I'm wrong. But even if you have EVERYTHING about the PRPG, every single change that they've made, this is still a huge shot in the arm for e3 and (as Vic said in his post) you're going to see a lot more adventures and sourcebooks in the future which will be 99% compatible with your own game.

And even if you hate THOSE, you're still going to benefit from an invigorated base of 3.x players who will be easier to talk into discussing or playing 3.5.

Call me a fanboy, but I can't imagine seeing this as anything but an all-around win for the hobby.

MerrikCale, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 04:19 AM

I thought 2E won

Mikaze, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 04:24 AM

MerrikCale wrote:

I thought 2E won

2E's Monstrous Manual and Planescape Monstrous Compendiums certainly win.

Murkmoldiev, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 04:39 AM

Only because of its rad Binder system and its easy to color pictures.

Charlie Brooks, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 05:01 AM

Thurgon wrote:

I respectfully disagree. Some people lost in the edition wars. As some things were dropped or changed that make backwards compatability non-existant to 3.5.

But if you prefer 3.5 to the Pathfinder RPG, you can stick with 3.5 while still using the new Pathfinder adventures with a minimum of tweaking. Or, for that matter, you can stick with the Beta or even the Alpha, if you prefer that. I think that's got to count for something.

taig (Paizo Superscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 05:27 AM

KaeYoss wrote:

So if we won, where are our reparations? And what are our reparations, exactly?

Will there be the usual after-the-war tribunals?

We'll definitely want to watch out for carpetbaggers. :)

DaveMage (Paizo Charter Superscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 05:35 AM

MerrikCale wrote:

I thought 2E won

Absolutely!

And it's coming back, you 3.5/4E bastards!

You're going down!!!!

Wolfthulhu, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 05:55 AM

MerrikCale wrote:

I thought 2E won

Nono, there can be only 1e.

Prime Evil (Planet Stories Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:01 AM

Wolfthulhu wrote:

MerrikCale wrote:

I thought 2E won

Nono, there can be only 1e.

Where is Diaglo from ENWorld when you really need him???

Lord Fyre (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:20 AM

KaeYoss wrote:

So if we won, where are our reparations? And what are our reparations, exactly?

Our Reparations are the PathfinderRPG and the Pathfinder Bestiary.

KaeYoss wrote:

Will there be the usual after-the-war tribunals?

Those are being held at GenCon. Most people call them the "Ennies."

Wolfthulhu, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:29 AM

Prime Evil wrote:

Wolfthulhu wrote:

MerrikCale wrote:

I thought 2E won

Nono, there can be only 1e.

Where is Diaglo from ENWorld when you really need him???

Hahah, he's probably at GenCon.

I've never actually had the chance to play OD&D, though I do have the White Box and all the original supplements. I need to do that someday...

Arazyr (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:32 AM

Re: OP -- Huzzah!

My take: As long as *somebody* likes it, it's a good thing. It might not be my thing, but more power to you. 8^)

Lord Fyre (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:36 AM

joela wrote:

Everyone!

Per Vic Wertz, Technical Director of Paizo:

From where I sit, it's August 13, the official release date of the Pathfinder RPG. And as a co-owner of Paizo Publishing and someone with a significant role in what some refer to as "the edition wars," I have an announcement to make:

The Edition Wars are over, and we have all won.

Full Post

My take? Yup ;-)

-1

I disagree. I think that, if anything, the release of the PathfinderRPG (3.5 Thrives!) will revive the edition wars.

4th Edition players (and by extention WoTC) can no longer just wait for 3.5 to die off.

The Edition wars have been re-ignited.
The playing field has been leveled.
The geek battle rejoined.

Flame On!

TriOmegaZero (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:38 AM

Lord Fyre wrote:

The Edition wars have been re-ignited.
The playing field has been leveled.
The geek battle rejoined.

Flame On!

Good. I'd hate to have nothing to argue pointlessly about. XD

DigitalMage, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 06:53 AM

Lord Fyre wrote:

I disagree. I think that, if anything, the release of the PathfinderRPG (3.5 Thrives!) will revive the edition wars.

And interestingly there could be a new edition war 3.5 vs PF RPG. I for one get annoyed by that 3.5 Thrives! tagline - Pathfinder RPG is not 3.5! If anything it is another nail in the coffin of 3.5, splitting the player base once again.

Take my weekly group for example, two GMs who want to run using PF and me wanting to stick to 3.5. I enjoy a game much more when I know the rules (including all the little tricky rules) - with 3.5 I had that.

Now I have to make the decision to either invest in PF (both in terms of money and more importantly time) and regain that same level of enjoyment, or stick with borrowing the rulebook of my GM and having him reveal and teach me all the little tweaks and changes and possibly have my enjoyment diminished somewhat.

I really don't know what to do at the moment - I sometimes get caught up in the excitement that my GMs have for PF and think I will get a copy, but then I think how long it will take me to read the damn book and the lost opportunity to read all the 3.5 and other RPG books I already own, and think I will just wait for the SRD and look stuff up as needed.

hogarth, Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 07:13 AM

Lord Fyre wrote:

I disagree. I think that, if anything, the release of the PathfinderRPG (3.5 Thrives!) will revive the edition wars.

I really don't think Pathfinder's version of D&D will ignite edition wars any more than Arcana Unearthed, or Iron Heroes, or True20, or various other OGL games based on 3.0/3.5 D&D.

The black raven, Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 10:23 PM

I applaud the philosophy of respect for others' choices that inspires Vic's post. As many have said before, being different does not mean being bad.

But the war between publishers, whether acknowledged or not, definitely rages on. It is a war for sales, for audience, in short a war for resources that will help their game survive and thrive : the best artists, the best developpers, the best writers, the best designers, the best editors and so on.

My hope is that with Vic's post, that war is waged fairly, so that the best publisher wins and we, the customers and fans of all the games they all work on, can enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Hydro (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32), Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 10:52 PM

The black raven wrote:

I applaud the philosophy of respect for others' choices that inspires Vic's post. As many have said before, being different does not mean being bad.

But the war between publishers, whether acknowledged or not, definitely rages on. It is a war for sales, for audience, in short a war for resources that will help their game survive and thrive : the best artists, the best developpers, the best writers, the best designers, the best editors and so on.

My hope is that with Vic's post, that war is waged fairly, so that the best publisher wins and we, the customers and fans of all the games they all work on, can enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I don't think that at all.

I could be wrong, but I believe that the number of customers "on the fence" between Pathfinder and 4e (those who will buy Pathfinder if it does well or buy 4e books if Pathfinder does poorly) are a small minority of customers. I certianly don't believe that any 4e gamers are going to stop playing 4e and come over to Pathfinder, no matter how successful it is.

I think what we do have are gamers who bought 4e, were disappointed by it, and are now happy to have an alternative. If Pathfinder had never happened, though, I think those gamers would have just branched out into different systems or even different hobbies. They would have dispersed.

Samothdm, Tue, Aug 18, 2009, 01:38 AM

taig wrote:

We'll definitely want to watch out for carpetbaggers. :)

Well done! Congratulations on making the first "carpetbaggers" reference of 2009.

That cracked me up.

Dissinger, Tue, Aug 18, 2009, 02:02 AM

Murkmoldiev wrote:

Bring the love.

All Ladies can bring the love here...

...what? Its love right?

Murkmoldiev, Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 01:34 AM

What is love
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Oh, baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

What is love
Yeah