I've heard this term in relation to players, but have idea what it means.

Can someone enlighten this old school chap?

Thanks! :)

Well the one I always think of is the gay term to describe a man with a smooth, youthful, only slightly-muscular,body....IOW a boy-toy

However it's prob from MMRPG'S meaning a veteran player who makes a new character and gives a bunch of good gear from the older, maxed-out characters to the new character.

Now do not ask me how it went from a well known gay slang to MMRPG...but I am blaming warcraft

Thanks!

Anytime. Kinda sad that I knew that

I used to hear that term on white wolf forums. Basically the same thing as a munchkin or powergamer. Twinks have characters that just scream for attention, like twinkly lights on a christmas tree.

Example: a lupus stargazer ahroun werewolf starts with 5 in gnosis, rage, and willpower, the highest possible starting level in all three traits without spending freebie points. As such, most twink werewolf players were lupus stargazer ahrouns.

that would fit better with what he is hearing, never heard that term before however

Seeker spoils my fun. I was gonna suggest he Google it. :)

And yeah, I've 'twinked' many characters in EverQuest, etc. In MMOs, particularly early EverQuest, gear designed for 40th level characters could be placed on a 1st level 'newbie' and allow him to race through early encounters of his level, as his armor (in particular) would be ridiculously effective.

In D&D, the same sort of thing happens when henchmen or followers are given gear beyond their Wealth By Level by the PCs (or a lower level PC joins the party and is given gear normally outside of his range to help him 'keep up').

Seekers is the only definition of twink I'm aware of.
How it possibly relates to gamers I can't imagine.

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Now do not ask me how it went from a well known gay slang to MMRPG...but I am blaming warcraft

This happened fairly often in the RPGA Living City campaign. veteran players eventually found themselves with cartlods of spare magic items and frequently would gift other people with them. (You weren't allowed to give items to your other characters but you could trade them to other folks, (who could not trade them back to you in case you wondered))

I have heard the term in reference to munchkin gamers and "tricked out characters" as well young, hairless gay boys. Amusingly, "twink" was used in the gaming sense by a number of gay gamers I know. It would get really funny when one of us used the word and there was confusion over which definition we were using. :)

It should, of course, be noted that none of my gay friends (and myself)could possibly be confused with the term "twink" as it is defined by the gay community. So, in both cases, it was definitely derogatory slang for us.

I'd never heard that term before in any context... I feel sheltered now.

While we are discussing lingo, would anyone care to enlighten me about the terms "Gish" and "CoDzilla." I've frequently seem them thrown about on the forums and I haven't a clue as to what they mean. As far as I'm concerned, Gish is a Smashing Pumpkins album.

PS, is there a handy thread for newcomers where we can learn this stuff, like an FAQ? Thanks.

While we are discussing lingo, would anyone care to enlighten me about the terms "Gish" and "CoDzilla." I've frequently seem them thrown about on the forums and I haven't a clue as to what they mean. As far as I'm concerned, Gish is a Smashing Pumpkins album.

PS, is there a handy thread for newcomers where we can learn this stuff, like an FAQ? Thanks.

CoDzilla refers to the fact that Clerics or Druids were arguably the most powerful classes in 3.5 once you got to mid levels.

I used to hear that term on white wolf forums. Basically the same thing as a munchkin or powergamer. Twinks have characters that just scream for attention, like twinkly lights on a christmas tree.

The length of time I've participated in the hobby was unfortunately revealed in that paragraph.

A Gish is an Arcane Warrior-Mage, Usually min-maxed. The Term originated with the Githayanki.

During the Pathfinder beta playtest some contentious posters showed up and started tossing out "Tier 1 class" and "Tier 2 class", expecting everyone to know what they meant. Where is that from?

During the Pathfinder beta playtest some contentious posters showed up and started tossing out "Tier 1 class" and "Tier 2 class", expecting everyone to know what they meant. Where is that from?

Seeker spoils my fun. I was gonna suggest he Google it. :)

Set wrote:

Seeker spoils my fun. I was gonna suggest he Google it. :)

Google it with the safety filters off.

Can someone enlighten this old school chap?

Twink refers to MMO's and using the abilities of high level players to help lower level players. This was especially popular term in Everquest and WoW.

Basically, you would either create a new toon (or a friend joins) and you (or others) would give the toon the most powerful items in the game, then powerlevel them using spells from max level characters.

Everquest started making NO_DROP items to combat this, then later started making required level/recommended level items.

There were still sufficiently powerful items in the game to make massively powerful 1st level characters. When I created my Enchanter, I bought the best items per slot that ever dropped (the trade-able items) to make my toon have over 3000 hitpoints at first level. Pretty much made the toon unkillable until around 20th level. At which point the spells (using lower level spells like 45th level spell and below) to buff it allowed me to hit level 60 in less than 30 hours from character creation. Within a week, the new enchanter was level 70 (max at the time) and ready to be taken to raids to get raid gear appropriate for the level.

It was also the prefered terminology for a munchkin amongst white wolf forumites for about all the years i have had internet access. I actually prefer it, as it makes them sound all cute and cuddly.

It was also the prefered terminology for a munchkin amongst white wolf forumites for about all the years i have had internet access. I actually prefer it, as it makes them sound all cute and cuddly.

And here I was wondering if it had anything to do with one of Drizzt's swords, only to learn it has more to do with Drizzt himself. ;)

I think actually, looking back on it, twink refers even more to a person who munchkins out combat stats in a white wolf game than any other kind of munchkinary.

There's actually a Wikipedia entry which defines twink, and it is synonymous with munchkin in pen and paper RPGs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinking

twink=~powergamer=~munchkin=~min-maxer.

A Gish is an Arcane Warrior-Mage, Usually min-maxed. The Term originated with the Githayanki.

Crimson Jester wrote:

A Gish is an Arcane Warrior-Mage, Usually min-maxed. The Term originated with the Githayanki.

Specifically, it originated on the old WotC Character Optimization boards, as a generic term for melee-focused arcane characters. Someone suggested naming them after the githyanki term for fighter/wizards, and it stuck.

Gish the term was around in the 2e days I know...I never have liked it..makes me think of fish

Gish the term was around in the 2e days I know...I never have liked it..makes me think of fish

A Man In Black wrote:

Crimson Jester wrote:

A Gish is an Arcane Warrior-Mage, Usually min-maxed. The Term originated with the Githayanki.

Specifically, it originated on the old WotC Character Optimization boards, as a generic term for melee-focused arcane characters. Someone suggested naming them after the githyanki term for fighter/wizards, and it stuck.

Not sure if that’s where the term originated (depending on how long those boards have been around); people I used to game with were referring to fighter/mage characters as Gish since at least the late eighties. EDIT: actually, probably early nineties now I think on it.

I myself am not a big fan of the term outside of its use for the Githyanki, but such is life.

there was some 2e books with Githyanki , that used the term. I am pretty sure it was printed in some planescape books as well.

Yes indeed, page 46 of Planescape Monsterous Compendium, Appendix I.

And also Planescape Accessory - A Guide to the Astral Plane.

Grognard powers activate !

I had never seen the term used to refer to fighter/wizards in general (as opposed to Githyanki fighter/mages) before it was specifically proposed as a general-use term on the CO boards, after which I saw it enter into general currency.

I'm not saying the term was coined there, as I even said that they were named after the Githyanki name, but it was generalized there as far as I can tell.

A pre-2000 Google group search shows no use of the term "gish" to refer to a fighter/mage outside of the context of Githyanki.

The original Fiend Folio from about 1980 had gish listed in the githyanki entry. See, I know that because I was a big fan of the githyanki before all of you were. So there.

From online games, "twinking" is outfitting a character with items he shouldn't usually have access to. There are several forms of twinking, from giving a new alt of yours hand-me-downs that your higher-level main discarded long ago to the "legal" ones like crunching numbers on items and class features in order to cover an item's prerequisites, allowing you to equip it. Roleplay-wise, though, such thing as "twinking" can't really happen as everyone in the party is usually the same level and share the same degree of access to resources. The few times a character dies and is replaced by a level 1 though, his party outfitting him with the best equipment available isn't so much twinking as trying to keep him alive from encounters that by now are far out of his league.

In some games, like Anarchy Online, twinking along with game-world economy has contributed partially to unreasonable increases in difficulty to the point that what was once "twinking" now is just a bare requisite for survival. Extrapolating to roleplay, some GMs eventually pass through a scaredy-cat phase where they become mortally afraid of the players "beating him", and do similar increases in difficulty, this is particularly common in games centered on combat and defeating a BBEG as the be all end all of the game.

I have an irrational hatred for the word "gish." It makes me want to punch people. I can't explain it.

If someone referred to a gish and fluff in the same breathe, I might have to eviscerate them with a grapefruit spoon.

Did you hear about the new splatbook out that provides all kinds of fluff to help play your twinked gish character?

Well, that's a question I never expected to see here!
I have never heard of any of these terms, but nice to learn something new everyday?

Struck by madness, Mairkurion transforms into...

The Old Man of the Mountains!

Hee-hee!

Let me at 'em!

Rushes angel with anarchic grapefruit spoon.

The Old Man of the Mountains!

Hee-hee!

Let me at 'em!

Rushes angel with anarchic grapefruit spoon.

You'll put somebody's eye out.

Struck by madness, Markurion transforms into...

it can also be a newbie player in a MMorph who is given all the best stuff at every level and loads of money by his guild, so, basically; any player other than those who are playing the game for the first time by themselves on their own merits.

I've heard this term in relation to players, but have idea what it means.

Can someone enlighten this old school chap?

Thanks! :)

Well the one I always think of is the gay term to describe a man with a smooth, youthful, only slightly-muscular,body....IOW a boy-toy

However it's prob from MMRPG'S meaning a veteran player who makes a new character and gives a bunch of good gear from the older, maxed-out characters to the new character.

Now do not ask me how it went from a well known gay slang to MMRPG...but I am blaming warcraft

Dr. C. G. Jung wrote:

Struck by madness, Markurion transforms into...

Uhm...you spelled your name wrong...just so ya know...:\

there was some 2e books with Githyanki , that used the term. I am pretty sure it was printed in some planescape books as well.

The original Fiend Folio from about 1980 had gish listed in the githyanki entry. See, I know that because I was a big fan of the githyanki before all of you were. So there.

The original Fiend Folio from about 1980 had gish listed in the githyanki entry. See, I know that because I was a big fan of the githyanki before all of you were. So there.

:P

Yeah, that was some grognard one-up-manship.

:)