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Is it Thursday yet?In Australia it is. But not here. What's Thursday, and why is that more important than PayPal?
Really, go shave your head and drop a missile on someone. :PSorry - but I *am* stalking Mssr. Wickham ...Is it Thursday yet?In Australia it is. But not here. What's Thursday, and why is that more important than PayPal?Part 1: Accomplished.
Part 2: The plane is en route now to Iowa ...
*takes a 5 minute drive to Illinois*
Am I the only one who finds that in these horrible economic times when any of us would love to go to Paizocon that someone feels the need to come, and solicit financial support on this website to get the money to go to something the vast majority of us can't afford but would kill to do?
I haven't had a vacation in 9 years. I have to use virtually ever day I get off in a year taking care of sick kids or working anyway to support my family. But I'm not on this site begging strangers for money so I can go have fun. This thread bothers me more than just a little. It's like having someone sit outside your favorite game shop with a cup and a sign saying "please donate money for game supplies" while I work my tail off to be able to afford the stuff I am going to get.
There is a time honored way to get the money to do the things you want in life without shamless begging. It's called working for it. Even my 7 year old knows she has to do her chores to get her small allowance that she saves to buy things she wants. Absolutely pathetic.
Absolutely pathetic.
Brent, levity in tough times! Bring it on.
Yoda8MyHead said
"You and me both! I made the initial post more to get other poor people to commiserate with me, but the same generosity that has been shown in this community reared its head again. I didn't expect anyone to actually do it. . ."
It's OK. No, it's good. Actually, it's great fun!
Back to the original topic: Send Yoda8MyHead to Paizocon!!
Yodaeatsmyheadsperson:
When I was a wee lad in the 80's, I depended upon a multitude of friendly folk for floor space, ramen, and host suite leftovers many a time. As such, I felt it necessary to "pay it forward" now that I am decrepit and such. So, some funds have flown via the interwebs to your paypal account. Enjoy, and I look forward to see your personage in person!
-Pete
Yodaeatsmyheadsperson:
When I was a wee lad in the 80's, I depended upon a multitude of friendly folk for floor space, ramen, and host suite leftovers many a time. As such, I felt it necessary to "pay it forward" now that I am decrepit and such. So, some funds have flown via the interwebs to your paypal account. Enjoy, and I look forward to see your personage in person!
-Pete
What a person you are, Mr. Apple. I will thank you in person in a few months time.
There is a time honored way to get the money to do the things you want in life without shamless begging. It's called working for it. Even my 7 year old knows she has to do her chores to get her small allowance that she saves to buy things she wants. Absolutely pathetic.
Couldn't agree more here, Brent. Shameless. Boorish. These words come to mind. Given that he is an able bodied, educated adult, one has to wonder at what age the young yoda looked into the mirror and decided, "When I grow up I want to be a beggar." Pathetic is right.
Perhaps yoda is just channeling his Runelord of Sloth alter ego. One hopes he will rediscover his self-respect and snap out of it.
Ultimately the undeniable generosity of members of this board is better directed at those in real need in these troubled economic times.
WDM4f
There is a time honored way to get the money to do the things you want in life without shamless begging. It's called working for it. Even my 7 year old knows she has to do her chores to get her small allowance that she saves to buy things she wants. Absolutely pathetic.Couldn't agree more here, Brent. Shameless. Boorish. These words come to mind. Given that he is an able bodied, educated adult, one has to wonder at what age the young yoda looked into the mirror and decided, "When I grow up I want to be a beggar." Pathetic is right.
Perhaps yoda is just channeling his Runelord of Sloth alter ego. One hopes he will rediscover his self-respect and snap out of it.
Ultimately the undeniable generosity of members of this board is better directed at those in real need in these troubled economic times.
WDM4f
You two did see the earlier post by the OP regarding this, right?
Y'know, the part where he thought he'd see about getting empathatic "yeah it stinks we can't go", and instead had the pleasant surprise of actually receiving donations?
Just sayin'...
There is a time honored way to get the money to do the things you want in life without shamless begging. It's called working for it. Even my 7 year old knows she has to do her chores to get her small allowance that she saves to buy things she wants. Absolutely pathetic.Couldn't agree more here, Brent. Shameless. Boorish. These words come to mind. Given that he is an able bodied, educated adult, one has to wonder at what age the young yoda looked into the mirror and decided, "When I grow up I want to be a beggar." Pathetic is right.
Perhaps yoda is just channeling his Runelord of Sloth alter ego. One hopes he will rediscover his self-respect and snap out of it.
Ultimately the undeniable generosity of members of this board is better directed at those in real need in these troubled economic times.
WDM4f
You two did see the earlier post by the OP regarding this, right?
Y'know, the part where he thought he'd see about getting empathatic "yeah it stinks we can't go", and instead had the pleasant surprise of actually receiving donations?
Just sayin'...
Let's not take our eye off the ball.
The proven generosity of members of this board is not at issue.
The propriety of setting up a PayPal account, soliciting donations, and then accepting them is. Remember, these donations are not solicited so yoda can pay his mortgage or medical bills. It's so he can attend a Con.
Yoda has put himself out in public as a beggar. He therefore should expect to elicit reactions across the entire spectrum, from support to censure. Given his able-bodied, gainfully employed status in these times of genuine economic hardship, my reaction must incline toward the later.
Just clarifyin'...
WDM4f
Let's not take our eye off the ball.
I just wonder if we have our eye on the right ball. I have to ask however - what's your stake in all this? Outrage? Disgust? Or is there some other need, Torc? I mean, you've already stated your stance, let things go for a few days, and then out of the clear blue reposted more of the same.
Hugo Solis
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
I'm wondering what happens to all the money sent if not enough is raised. Will it be given back?
Of course. It's all still in the PayPal account, nothing moved to real banks. And PayPal allows full refunds within 60 days of transaction. Most of the people who have sent money have been people I know through the boards or chats, or even real life who could simply ask for a refund if they changed their minds. They're all friends.
It will be sent to me! I need it more than Yoda, who secretly charges a penny every time somebody logs into the wiki...
*plots to take over yoda's fund raising*
Under the newly released Community Use Policy, the wiki is not allowed to charge any money. I don't think Wikia's terms of service allow it either. And all the money from the ads on there go straight to wikia, as they're the ones who place them there and host the site. But I bet you could totally bill people for your dA page.
But by all means, who am I to beg alone? I welcome your company. Let's all degrade ourselves together. There's no one else I'd rather raise the ire of the community with than you, Hugo. Can you draw me a nice picture on my sandwichboard sign?
Couldn't agree more here, Brent. Shameless. Boorish. These words come to mind. Given that he is an able bodied, educated adult, one has to wonder at what age the young yoda looked into the mirror and decided, "When I grow up I want to be a beggar." Pathetic is right.
Making that alias directly toward this point make me think of you as the pathetic one. And the same with the words shameless and boorish. In this thread, they would apply more to you than they would to yoda.
Hugo Solis
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
I'm wondering what happens to all the money sent if not enough is raised. Will it be given back?Under the newly released Community Use Policy, the wiki is not allowed to charge any money. I don't think Wikia's terms of service allow it either. And all the money from the ads on there go straight to wikia, as they're the ones who place them there and host the site. But I bet you could totally bill people for your dA page.
Urgh... My bluff's off... darn new policies! :shakefist:
well, don't mind me if I do
*takes out beggar's +1 tin cup of mercy and support*
>>>> buzzzz <<<<
As one draws the Bucket of Charity from the Well of Economic Good Will, does the water remaining in the Well increase, decrease, or stay the same?
What is the water and what is its source?
Who among us shall truly be called thirsty?
Can Wrong ever be Right?
Can Right ever be Left?
> sting <
Kevin Mack
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
>>>> buzzzz <<<<
As one draws the Bucket of Charity from the Well of Economic Good Will, does the water remaining in the Well increase, decrease, or stay the same?
What is the water and what is its source?
Who among us shall truly be called thirsty?Can Wrong ever be Right?
Can Right ever be Left?> sting <
I would think this would fit under the not being a jerk clause.
As for Yoda I applaud his ingenuity and I don't really see any beggar connection at all.
shaw I just wish I had the will to do it, I can't go because from FL it would cost me somewhere in the $600 range and that's just not an acceptable expense when my wife couldn't go to new york to dance because it was too expensive and I'm in between vehicles because someone decided patience wasn't worth it and pulled in front of me when I had the right of way... I just can't build myself up to ask for donations even in jest because I really would take the money. Still showing outrage or disgust over it seems like a waste of my otherwise busy life. I mean the Octa-mom deserves it more than yoda8myhead.
I don't really see any beggar connection at all.
When you extend your hand toward another, rotate the palm skyward, and ask that the other give you money for no other reason than you asked for it, it's called begging. You could even look it up in one of my books. I'll even bet that one of my books is installed on the shiny computer thingy you're using...
Kevin Mack
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
In the UK if you're playing a violin and happen to have an empty case in front of you for any donations, that's not begging but being a street-entertainer or a busker; and as master of one of the Paizo Wikipedias, Yoda seems to fit more into that category to me than that of a beggar. He provides a service valued by some members of the Paizo community, and is requesting a little recognition/support at this point.
Exactly maybe mr touctheorc should go and look up the webster on his computer.
I appreciate everyone coming to my defense here, but it's not needed. Stay your rage, friends, for I fear it will lead us all down a road we wish not to travel. I have tried to email TorctheOrc and his various sock puppets to discuss these issues in a private and civilized manner, but his email seems to be inactive. In any case, I apologize that a personal issue between myself and fellow player has tainted this forum. Nothing to see here. These are not the droids you're looking for.
In the UK if you're playing a violin and happen to have an empty case in front of you for any donations, that's not begging but being a street-entertainer or a busker; and as master of one of the Paizo Wikipedias, Yoda seems to fit more into that category to me than that of a beggar. He provides a service valued by some members of the Paizo community, and is requesting a little recognition/support at this point.
What CE25 said.
THE PAIZO WIKIPEDIA ROCKS!
You deserve to be at Paizocon2009.