Paizo Top Nav Branding
Welcome, guest! | Sign In | My Account | My Subscriptions | My Downloads | My Wishlists | Shopping Cart   Shopping Cart | Help/FAQ
About Paizo   Messageboards   News   Paizo Blog   Help/FAQ  
Search
Links
Shop

Messageboards

We Don't Need No Epic Content, by Kthulhu

Removing Perception as a Skill, by Alex Head

Ring of Counterspells and Area Effect Greater Dispel Magic, by Egoish

Last one to post wins, by Kat's Eye

Fight: how to speed things up, by Wiggz

New spells for the lowly adept, by Strife2002

Spell: Wall of Stone, Lesser, by Tiny Coffee Golem

White Haired Witch questions., by KrispyXIV

Spellbooks of High Level Wizards, by Tiny Coffee Golem

Healing is a crutch..., by Wiggz

Preparing Kingmaker, questions from a GM, by Egoish

Mook survival guide, by Evil Lincoln

How could I release Rovagug, or even a spawn of Rovagug?, by Tels

Anti-paladin gets hosed..., by Xexyz

My feelings about 5E D&D, by Kryzbyn

Online Campaigns

Gm Blood's AoW in Golarion, by GM Blood

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, by Helaman

Shadowrun 4e Gangland Sports, by Ryuko

Dm Zyren's Heart of Runes, by Karlan Bladetwist

DM AK's Sargavan Saga OOC Thread, by DM Alexander Kilcoyne

DM Maslen Second Darkness pBp Gameplay Thread, by Ethaniel Meveri

Elton's Curse of the Crimson Throne, by GM Elton

Curse of the Crimson Throne / Edge of Anarchy (DM Amethyst), by Felgar Stoutaxe

Megan's Kingmaker PbP, by Calinder Surital

Blood of Dragonscar-Level 15 Discussion, by Thogg Smashes-What-He-Hates

Sfounder's Curse of the Crimson Throne PbP, by Chris Marsh

Tales of Agartha: the Avalon Chronicles, by Krays

DaWay's We Be Goblins!, by DaWay

Jade Regent, presented by DM Hamied - Campaign Thread, by Lisabett Erikkson

DM Zyren's Heart of Light, by Flofer Nighthawk

   RSS Recent Posts Facebook Twitter Email

Paizo Publishing will be closed in observance of Presidents Day Monday, February 20.
We will reopen on Tuesday, February 21.


Note: The Pathfinder RPG Prerelease Discussion forums will be locked on Friday, October 16, 2009. You will not be able to create new posts after this date, but existing discussion will still be available for reading.

Search
Search this Thread:

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

I know I should wait until Mr. Bulmahn opens up the section on classes, but for the game I am in I am going to need the answer sooner. (. . . for my gaming group.)

The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beta Playtest, page 49 says:

“At 1st Level, wizards forge a powerful bond with an object or creature. This bond can take one of two forms: The first is a familiar, following the standard rules for such creatures (see Familiars) and the second is a bond with an object, using it to cast spells and enchanting it with even greater powers.”

So, is the Arcane Bond ability of a 1st Level Wizard voluntary? The wording kind of implies that it is something a wizard must do.

The reason I ask, is that my wizard “Konrad” would like the option to wait to take the feat Improved Familiar (Pathfinder Beta p. 87)

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

Lord Fyre wrote:

I know I should wait until Mr. Bulmahn opens up the section on classes, but for the game I am in I am going to need the answer sooner. (. . . for my gaming group.)

The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beta Playtest, page 49 says:

“At 1st Level, wizards forge a powerful bond with an object or creature. This bond can take one of two forms: The first is a familiar, following the standard rules for such creatures (see Familiars) and the second is a bond with an object, using it to cast spells and enchanting it with even greater powers.”

So, is the Arcane Bond ability of a 1st Level Wizard voluntary? The wording kind of implies that it is something a wizard must do.

The reason I ask, is that my wizard “Konrad” would like the option to wait to take the feat Improved Familiar (Pathfinder Beta p. 87)

Any Smurffy thoughts on this?


If it's not voluntary, I think it should be. It doesn't make sense that having a familiar is a requirement to being a Wizard.

I'm pretty sure it is voluntary, but clearing that up in the final would be nice.

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

Nameless wrote:

If it's not voluntary, I think it should be. It doesn't make sense that having a familiar is a requirement to being a Wizard.

I'm pretty sure it is voluntary, but clearing that up in the final would be nice.

Logically it should be voluntary. But the wording implies otherwise.

Reversing the question: If the bond is not formed at (or before 1st level), can it be formed later? (If so, how?)


My interpretation: Choosing a type of arcane bond is mandatory at level 1, but actually summoning a familiar to service doesn't have to be done right away.

YMMV.

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

hogarth wrote:

My interpretation: Choosing a type of arcane bond is mandatory at level 1, but actually summoning a familiar to service doesn't have to be done right away.

YMMV.

Because of the "Improved Familiar" feat? :)


Lord Fyre wrote:
hogarth wrote:

My interpretation: Choosing a type of arcane bond is mandatory at level 1, but actually summoning a familiar to service doesn't have to be done right away.

YMMV.

Because of the "Improved Familiar" feat? :)

Or because you just don't like animals.

But my point is that I wouldn't allow a 10th level wizard to suddenly say: "You know what I just discovered? I actually couldn't cast spells without my (arcane bond) wizard's staff all this time! Who'da thunk it?"

P.S. I generally allow an animal familiar to "evolve" into an Improved Familiar form (instead of dismissing it and attracting a brand new familiar).

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

hogarth wrote:
P.S. I generally allow an animal familiar to "evolve" into an Improved Familiar form (instead of dismissing it and attracting a brand new familiar).

It is the dismissing it part that I am having a problem with.

If it is determined that I must form my familiar bond at 1st Level, I will likely never buy the feat. :(

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Battles Case Subscriber; GameMastery Superscriber)

Also to seek this in is the arcane bond magical. Logic suggests it but not stated. Could a wizard "Shatter" the bond and thus neuter the wizard till he has time to make/buy/rebond? I ask because I did that to a player and once done the logic of it boggled us and Pissed him off.

We have decided it is magical and house ruled it that way till we hear otherwise.

Your thoughts?


Lord Fyre wrote:
hogarth wrote:
P.S. I generally allow an animal familiar to "evolve" into an Improved Familiar form (instead of dismissing it and attracting a brand new familiar).

It is the dismissing it part that I am having a problem with.

If it is determined that I must form my familiar bond at 1st Level, I will likely never buy the feat. :(

What it means is that you have to choose the type of bond at first level (are you a critter guy or a stick guy).

Whether/when you choose to take advantage of it is up to you.

You could say you're a critter guy but not actually summon that familiar until you get the improved familiar feat.

Taldor (Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber)

well now that there are no drawbacks other than waiting a week after dismisal why wait till 7th level to get a familiar, have one and then wait the week and upgrade at 7th. I could understand your dislike when it took 2 off your con or you had to wait a year. but now what's the big deal?

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

My thought is generally a familiar or arcanely bonded object should be a "nice to have", not a "need to have". That would certainly be in keeping with previous editions. I'm not sure introducing a new handicap for the wizard class is justified.

CJ


lastknightleft wrote:
well now that there are no drawbacks other than waiting a week after dismisal why wait till 7th level to get a familiar, have one and then wait the week and upgrade at 7th. I could understand your dislike when it took 2 off your con or you had to wait a year. but now what's the big deal?

Aside from RP reasons of course. Imagine the wizard talking to his old familiar:

Wiz: Well Crowy McCrowenstien, you've risked your life for me again and again. Spied out essential info, distracted enemies, been at my side through the most harrowing moments of my life. Yeah, good times... now screw off I'm trading up!


All the basic familiars should have improved versions that don't require they shapechange into a different creature. Improved Toad, Improved Raven, that sort of thing. That way you don't need to trade up.

An item bond should only be mandatory insomuch that it's cultural and pretty much expected of a wizard of standing. I plan for them to be badges of learning and a bonus to Diplomacy checks in the right circles. "Rings for the Enchanters of Osirion! Staves for the Conjurers of Korvosa! Wands for the Witches of Taldor!". That sort of thing. Very hoity.


Paizo / Messageboards / Paizo Publishing / Older Products / Pathfinder RPG Prerelease Discussion / General Discussion (Prerelease) / All Messageboards

Recent threads in General Discussion (Prerelease)

Druid / Monk?



©2002–2012 Paizo Publishing, LLC®. Need help? Email customer.service@paizo.com or call 425-250-0800 Monday–Friday, 10 AM–5 PM Pacific Time. View our privacy policy. Paizo Publishing, LLC, the Paizo golem logo, GameMastery, Pathfinder, Planet Stories, and Undefeated are registered trademarks of Paizo Publishing, LLC, and Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Pathfinder Adventure PathPathfinder Player Companion, Pathfinder Modules, Pathfinder Tales, Pathfinder Society, Pathfinder Battles, PaizoCon, RPG Superstar, The Golem's Got It, Titanic Games, the Titanic logo, and the Planet Stories planet logo are trademarks of Paizo Publishing, LLC. Dungeons & Dragons, Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron are registered trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc., and have been used by Paizo Publishing under license. Most product names are trademarks owned or used under license by the companies that publish those products; use of such names without mention of trademark status should not be construed as a challenge to such status.