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Summoner and Witch Playtest (Sticky) Nov 30, 2009, 11:55 AM by Jason Bulmahn — Draeke Raefel, Skizzy, xJoe3x and 67 others	191 posts	Last post: Feb 13, 2010, 12:51 PM by Danny Shirley

UPDATE - Summoner (Sticky) Dec 4, 2009, 11:22 AM by Jason Bulmahn — seekerofshadowlight, Zurai, wraithstrike and 35 others	718 posts	Last post: Jan 5, 2010, 11:48 AM by Jason Bulmahn

Spells that should be on the witch's spell list Dec 13, 2009, 05:48 AM by Atlatl Jones — Skizzy, Abraham spalding, moon glum and 30 others	59 posts	Last post: Feb 12, 2010, 01:24 PM by Madcap Storm King

Monsters that Summon Eidolons Jan 31, 2010, 02:50 AM by ItoSaithWebb — Inconvenience, Grey Lensman and ItoSaithWebb	3 posts	Last post: Feb 4, 2010, 11:00 AM by Inconvenience

Witches with the Improved Familiar Feat Dec 10, 2009, 01:43 PM by The Forgotten — Galnörag, Benchak the Nightstalker, Piety Godfury and 14 others	31 posts	Last post: Feb 3, 2010, 10:08 AM by cliff

Eidolon Jan 31, 2010, 02:28 PM by Ryan White 148 — Ryan White 148, Zurai, The Shaman and 3 others	12 posts	Last post: Feb 2, 2010, 11:34 PM by The Shaman

Cool Idea for Summoner SLA Jan 30, 2010, 12:55 PM by Temeryn — Santiago Mendez, Boxy310, Temeryn and 2 others	13 posts	Last post: Feb 1, 2010, 08:55 PM by Santiago Mendez

Witches, Curses, and the Spectral Hand spell Jan 10, 2010, 05:06 PM by Diodric — Kaisoku and Diodric	2 posts	Last post: Feb 1, 2010, 10:25 AM by Kaisoku

Eidolon's Spell-like Ability power not broken Dec 17, 2009, 04:06 PM by Sollir — Dissinger, Ravingdork, Goblins Eighty-Five and 3 others	6 posts	Last post: Jan 31, 2010, 02:03 AM by Dissinger

Summoner Idea, or How I would like to see the summoner :) Jan 28, 2010, 07:27 AM by Khorus — Khorus, Grey Lensman, Tobiesmoon and 2 others	7 posts	Last post: Jan 30, 2010, 01:10 PM by Grey Lensman

Would the witch benefit from the feats that reduce the arcane spell failure? Jan 29, 2010, 08:42 PM by Steelfiredragon — Steelfiredragon	1 post	Last post: Jan 29, 2010, 08:46 PM by Steelfiredragon

Recursive Army of Recursion Jan 27, 2010, 04:48 PM by Umbral Reaver — Umbral Reaver, Adun, Scipion del Ferro and Charender	5 posts	Last post: Jan 29, 2010, 07:46 PM by Adun

Final Fantasy Eidolons Dec 5, 2009, 10:50 PM by Santiago Mendez — mdt, Kakarasa, Santiago Mendez and 10 others	22 posts	Last post: Jan 28, 2010, 07:29 PM by mdt

I'm in love with my eidolon Jan 23, 2010, 06:36 AM by Puma D. Murmelman — Boxy310, Shuriken Nekogami, The Wraith and 26 others	61 posts	Last post: Jan 28, 2010, 04:07 PM by Jackhalfaprayer

Thoughts as I play a Summoner Jan 27, 2010, 08:58 PM by BloodBought — BloodBought	1 post	Last post: Jan 27, 2010, 09:14 PM by BloodBought

Summoner and evolution points on himself, IE LIMBS Jan 20, 2010, 12:41 PM by Khorus — Freddy Honeycutt, Zurai, Khorus and 7 others	16 posts	Last post: Jan 27, 2010, 01:35 PM by Freddy Honeycutt

All Around Vision Evolution? Jan 26, 2010, 07:13 AM by Kobold Avenger — Freddy Honeycutt, Selgard and Kobold Avenger	3 posts	Last post: Jan 27, 2010, 01:00 PM by Freddy Honeycutt

Roleplaying the Summoner Jan 7, 2010, 07:23 AM by Brad Cardinal — Freddy Honeycutt, Eric Stipe, Set and 17 others	37 posts	Last post: Jan 27, 2010, 10:30 AM by Teydyn

The Summoner and Eidolon connection Jan 24, 2010, 02:31 AM by Mirelena — Freddy Honeycutt and Mirelena	4 posts	Last post: Jan 26, 2010, 01:56 PM by Freddy Honeycutt

Variations on the summoner, aka schools / bloodlines Jan 24, 2010, 04:52 PM by Matrixryu — Matrixryu, Zurai, Set and 3 others	20 posts	Last post: Jan 26, 2010, 10:37 AM by Freddy Honeycutt

Gate and the true Eidolon Jan 20, 2010, 01:53 PM by Inconvenience — Inconvenience, Freddy Honeycutt, Scipion del Ferro and 5 others	15 posts	Last post: Jan 26, 2010, 10:11 AM by Freddy Honeycutt

Summoner lvl 11 Play Test Jan 25, 2010, 04:58 PM by Cain314 — Dragonborn3 and Cain314	4 posts	Last post: Jan 25, 2010, 06:21 PM by Dragonborn3

Two or more witches... Jan 24, 2010, 01:25 PM by dvspoptart — Benchak the Nightstalker and dvspoptart	2 posts	Last post: Jan 24, 2010, 02:09 PM by Benchak the Nightstalker

Redundancy with Eidolon and Weapon training (Ex): Jan 23, 2010, 10:38 AM by Inconvenience — Zurai and Inconvenience	2 posts	Last post: Jan 23, 2010, 11:05 AM by Zurai

Replace Summoner with Monster Class Jan 21, 2010, 08:40 AM by Smerg — Smerg, YuenglingDragon, Freddy Honeycutt and 7 others	15 posts	Last post: Jan 23, 2010, 10:35 AM by Sneaksy Dragon

Summoner playtest: Half-Eidolons and related topics Dec 1, 2009, 05:48 AM by Charles Evans 25 — Charles Evans 25, David Fryer, Lord Fyre and 16 others	37 posts	Last post: Jan 23, 2010, 10:11 AM by Charles Evans 25

Size increase and damage Jan 18, 2010, 04:14 AM by nexusphere — Brodiggan Gale, YuenglingDragon, nexusphere and 3 others	16 posts	Last post: Jan 23, 2010, 08:52 AM by Brodiggan Gale

Toil and Trouble: Witch Content Ideas Jan 23, 2010, 01:16 AM by Madcap Storm King — Madcap Storm King	1 post	Last post: Jan 23, 2010, 01:31 AM by Madcap Storm King

Question about the Summoner spell list Jan 22, 2010, 12:36 PM by sedlor — Freddy Honeycutt and sedlor	2 posts	Last post: Jan 22, 2010, 12:58 PM by Freddy Honeycutt

Transmogrify? Jan 17, 2010, 08:21 PM by Convict #24601 — Freddy Honeycutt, Kjob, Selgard and 2 others	7 posts	Last post: Jan 22, 2010, 11:45 AM by Freddy Honeycutt

Summoner Concept- Evolution Summons Jan 11, 2010, 03:57 PM by Arconz2000 — Arconz2000, Eric Stipe, Zurai and 4 others	15 posts	Last post: Jan 21, 2010, 12:04 PM by Eric Stipe

Summoner: Great Solo Class, TERRIBLE for group play Dec 31, 2009, 11:24 PM by Davor — Selgard, Odentin, R_Chance and 22 others	36 posts	Last post: Jan 21, 2010, 07:08 AM by Freddy Honeycutt

Re-Invisioning Coven Hex Jan 5, 2010, 08:43 AM by Piety Godfury — Piety Godfury, Zurai, Kevin Andrew Murphy and 11 others	31 posts	Last post: Jan 20, 2010, 12:16 PM by drakkonflye

Summoner Weaknesses Jan 15, 2010, 12:09 PM by Charender — Charender, Selgard, YuenglingDragon and 10 others	19 posts	Last post: Jan 20, 2010, 09:18 AM by Selgard

Round 2 Rules Questions: Nov 30, 2009, 01:10 PM by Kolokotroni — Jason Bulmahn, Zurai, mdt and 62 others	163 posts	Last post: Jan 19, 2010, 09:38 PM by YuenglingDragon

Mini Witch report Dec 30, 2009, 10:24 AM by BryonD — JPoisson, BryonD, Smerg and 5 others	10 posts	Last post: Jan 19, 2010, 07:09 PM by Smerg

Witch Playtests; What the ...? Jan 3, 2010, 12:33 PM by vagrant-poet — JPoisson, dvspoptart, hogarth and 7 others	15 posts	Last post: Jan 19, 2010, 06:54 PM by Smerg

Alternate Witch Build Dec 3, 2009, 11:41 PM by SmiloDan — SmiloDan, Dark_Mistress, mdt and 2 others	12 posts	Last post: Jan 18, 2010, 11:34 PM by SmiloDan

Eidolon question Jan 17, 2010, 09:32 AM by poorkeitaro — YuenglingDragon, Hunterofthedusk, Selgard and poorkeitaro	5 posts	Last post: Jan 18, 2010, 07:20 PM by YuenglingDragon

Help building half-orc melee summoner Jan 10, 2010, 09:13 AM by Kristov1 — Kristov1, YuenglingDragon, Caineach and 4 others	21 posts	Last post: Jan 18, 2010, 08:12 AM by alhamm

My summoner & witch playtest Jan 12, 2010, 02:01 PM by Chromat — Chromat	2 posts	Last post: Jan 18, 2010, 01:43 AM by Chromat

My Mount The Eidolon Dec 17, 2009, 09:20 PM by Eric Stipe — Eric Stipe, Zurai, mdt and 10 others	34 posts	Last post: Jan 17, 2010, 01:25 AM by cp

Eidolon Alteration (number of attacks) Jan 16, 2010, 10:56 PM by Selgard — Selgard	1 post	Last post: Jan 16, 2010, 11:05 PM by Selgard

Eidolon Overpowered (yes, this argument again) and Alchemists in Dungeons Jan 9, 2010, 08:27 AM by gigglestick — ItoSaithWebb, Zoddy, Dragonborn3 and 22 others	120 posts	Last post: Jan 16, 2010, 11:36 AM by YuenglingDragon

Summoner Playtest--Level 1 Summoner Party Fights CR 5+ Creatures Jan 12, 2010, 10:12 PM by Rogue Eidolon — Rogue Eidolon, Kakarasa, YuenglingDragon and 3 others	17 posts	Last post: Jan 15, 2010, 10:44 PM by Kakarasa

Some thoughts of my build for savage tides Summoner Jan 15, 2010, 04:30 PM by Salovs — Salovs and Fraust	3 posts	Last post: Jan 15, 2010, 08:12 PM by Salovs

A Study of the Summoner Jan 13, 2010, 07:18 PM by ItoSaithWebb — Fraust, james maissen, ItoSaithWebb and 3 others	9 posts	Last post: Jan 15, 2010, 05:14 PM by Fraust

Evil Eye vs. Golem Jan 10, 2010, 12:06 PM by Loopy — Loopy, Kolokotroni, hogarth and 12 others	56 posts	Last post: Jan 15, 2010, 03:34 PM by Loopy

Updates consolidated? Jan 14, 2010, 08:28 AM by shalandar — Zurai, shalandar, sanwah68 and 2 others	7 posts	Last post: Jan 15, 2010, 02:39 PM by sanwah68

Druids of the Left-Handed Path... A re-imaging of the proposed witch Jan 14, 2010, 11:20 AM by FireHawk — Urizen and FireHawk	2 posts	Last post: Jan 14, 2010, 12:05 PM by Urizen

Witch - Familiar or Animal Companion? Jan 13, 2010, 12:25 PM by GarnathFrostmantle — Scipion del Ferro, Chris Kenney and GarnathFrostmantle	4 posts	Last post: Jan 13, 2010, 02:15 PM by Scipion del Ferro

Lvl 5 Summoner playtest Jan 12, 2010, 08:30 PM by j r 266 — j r 266	1 post	Last post: Jan 12, 2010, 09:18 PM by j r 266

Witch's slightly offensive and a one dimensional Jan 11, 2010, 09:47 AM by Granfather — Mirror, Mirror, Granfather, nighttree and 11 others	19 posts	Last post: Jan 12, 2010, 08:29 PM by nighttree

Armor Evolution - Explain why it's overpowered? Jan 9, 2010, 01:29 PM by Arconz2000 — Arconz2000, james maissen, Dragonborn3 and 9 others	29 posts	Last post: Jan 12, 2010, 08:10 PM by james maissen

Ok, I need help building a summoner (apg) Jan 8, 2010, 09:21 AM by gnomewizard — gnomewizard, Maleek the Mostly Mad, Dennis da Ogre and 3 others	10 posts	Last post: Jan 8, 2010, 03:21 PM by Dennis da Ogre

Witch NPC playtest notes Jan 8, 2010, 05:38 AM by Dire Gnome — Asgetrion, Kolokotroni and Dire Gnome	4 posts	Last post: Jan 8, 2010, 09:29 AM by Asgetrion

Quick question about the eidolon. Jan 7, 2010, 08:27 PM by DeepWyrm — MaverickWolf and DeepWyrm	2 posts	Last post: Jan 7, 2010, 09:24 PM by MaverickWolf

Eidolon too powerful at early levels? Jan 5, 2010, 08:54 AM by shieldknight01 — shieldknight01, Zurai, Ceefood and 14 others	31 posts	Last post: Jan 7, 2010, 12:43 PM by YuenglingDragon

Boons vs hexes Jan 6, 2010, 09:38 PM by Pathos — Caineach, Galnörag and Pathos	3 posts	Last post: Jan 7, 2010, 09:41 AM by Caineach

Asgetrion's Witch and Cavalier playtest Dec 20, 2009, 05:10 PM by Asgetrion — Asgetrion	2 posts	Last post: Jan 6, 2010, 05:44 PM by Asgetrion

Eidolon's Poison evolution Jan 4, 2010, 02:23 PM by hogarth — hogarth, YuenglingDragon and Eric Stipe	4 posts	Last post: Jan 6, 2010, 11:54 AM by YuenglingDragon

Otherworldly Powers, Alignment, Pacts, and the Commune coven hex Jan 5, 2010, 02:20 PM by Kevin Andrew Murphy — Urath DM, Kevin Andrew Murphy and Abraham spalding	5 posts	Last post: Jan 5, 2010, 08:08 PM by Urath DM

Level 1 Summoner Playtested Dec 21, 2009, 06:49 AM by Loopy — Caineach, Dragonborn3, sunshadow21 and 9 others	31 posts	Last post: Jan 5, 2010, 01:26 PM by Loopy

Archade's Witch Playtest Dec 6, 2009, 09:16 PM by Archade — Draeke Raefel, Archade, Benchak the Nightstalker and 11 others	29 posts	Last post: Jan 4, 2010, 06:59 PM by Archade

Hex: Blight effectiveness Jan 3, 2010, 02:49 PM by Jack T Robyn — Skizzy and Jack T Robyn	2 posts	Last post: Jan 4, 2010, 12:36 PM by Skizzy

New Hexes Dec 4, 2009, 07:33 PM by Abraham spalding — Galnörag, Abraham spalding, Skizzy and 5 others	12 posts	Last post: Jan 4, 2010, 12:23 PM by Skizzy

Summoner & Tieflings' Fiendish Sorcery Jan 4, 2010, 08:27 AM by odanuki — Kraven Evilfart and odanuki	2 posts	Last post: Jan 4, 2010, 11:43 AM by Kraven Evilfart

Maker's Call question Jan 3, 2010, 10:04 PM by Zurai — Zurai	1 post	Last post: Jan 3, 2010, 10:07 PM by Zurai

Eidolon and Exotic Weapon Proficiencies. Jan 2, 2010, 09:52 AM by Kevin Murphy 340 — Selgard, Ice Titan and Kevin Murphy 340	4 posts	Last post: Jan 3, 2010, 03:41 PM by Selgard

Playtested 14th level summoner Jan 2, 2010, 12:08 PM by Kain Darkwind — Kain Darkwind	1 post	Last post: Jan 2, 2010, 12:28 PM by Kain Darkwind

The Master Fix for Small Eidolons, or: Hi Ho Summoner, Away! Dec 30, 2009, 02:10 PM by Maeloke — Maeloke, Iczer, Scipion del Ferro and 6 others	12 posts	Last post: Jan 2, 2010, 01:26 AM by Maeloke

Extra head evolution? Dec 18, 2009, 11:53 AM by Logan the Great — Selgard, HaraldKlak, sedlor and 3 others	8 posts	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 04:15 PM by sedlor

Summoner as Prepared Caster Dec 27, 2009, 01:46 PM by sedlor — Eric Stipe and sedlor	4 posts	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 04:00 PM by Eric Stipe

Why are small Eidolons so debilitated? Dec 26, 2009, 11:19 AM by Goblins Eighty-Five — Selgard, wraithstrike, Goblins Eighty-Five and 18 others	69 posts	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 01:44 PM by dulsin

Mini Playtest Report Witch Dec 30, 2009, 01:19 PM by Maugan22 — Maugan22	1 post	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 01:26 PM by Maugan22

Level 10 summoner Dec 30, 2009, 07:06 AM by lastknightleft — lastknightleft and dulsin	3 posts	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 11:56 AM by lastknightleft

Eidolon Question Dec 23, 2009, 12:09 PM by crmanriq — crmanriq, Joseph Raiten, Ceefood and 5 others	19 posts	Last post: Dec 30, 2009, 07:09 AM by Joseph Raiten

Eidolon Slam Dec 29, 2009, 03:59 PM by Erich L — Ceefood, Selgard and Erich L	3 posts	Last post: Dec 29, 2009, 05:24 PM by Ceefood

Summoner suggested additional options Nov 30, 2009, 08:29 PM by JoelF847 — DragonMunchie, Eric Campbell 633, Epic Meepo and 3 others	6 posts	Last post: Dec 29, 2009, 01:22 PM by DragonMunchie

Sample (PreGenerated) Summoner Dec 29, 2009, 09:23 AM by furashgf — furashgf	2 posts	Last post: Dec 29, 2009, 09:24 AM by furashgf

Big Eidolon too Big! Dec 21, 2009, 08:54 PM by Goblins Eighty-Five — wraithstrike, Goblins Eighty-Five, seekerofshadowlight and 15 others	59 posts	Last post: Dec 28, 2009, 02:03 PM by deathmaster

Witch monkey familiar Dec 12, 2009, 01:29 PM by Brownout — Drawmij's_Heir, Goblins Eighty-Five, DM_aka_Dudemeister and 4 others	8 posts	Last post: Dec 27, 2009, 12:56 AM by Goblins Eighty-Five

Augment Summon and Eldonon Dec 11, 2009, 12:23 PM by lostpike — wraithstrike, Kolokotroni, Odentin and 9 others	25 posts	Last post: Dec 25, 2009, 01:12 AM by wraithstrike

Houseruling a Witch. Dec 22, 2009, 04:46 PM by wraithstrike — wraithstrike, William Timmins, Goblins Eighty-Five and 2 others	6 posts	Last post: Dec 24, 2009, 03:53 PM by William Timmins

Witch Archetypes Dec 13, 2009, 07:38 AM by Atlatl Jones — David Fryer, Tim4488, Aeshuura and 4 others	7 posts	Last post: Dec 24, 2009, 02:05 PM by David Fryer

Big E and alter self Dec 23, 2009, 01:04 PM by Istheresomethingonmyface? — Istheresomethingonmyface?, Blazej and Takamonk	4 posts	Last post: Dec 23, 2009, 07:47 PM by Istheresomethingonmyface?

The Eidolon Dec 19, 2009, 02:40 PM by Thomas Pelletier — wraithstrike, Goblins Eighty-Five, Fraust and 10 others	28 posts	Last post: Dec 23, 2009, 05:07 PM by Fraust

Augment Summoning Dec 22, 2009, 07:29 PM by Ferahgo89 — Zurai, Kurukami, Odentin and Ferahgo89	4 posts	Last post: Dec 23, 2009, 12:14 PM by Zurai

Druid vs Summoner Dec 11, 2009, 11:12 AM by lostpike — james maissen, Thalin, LazarX and 6 others	9 posts	Last post: Dec 23, 2009, 10:47 AM by james maissen

Summoner / Witch (actual) playtest - 12 / 12 / 09 Dec 13, 2009, 11:48 PM by Jason Nelson — Jason Nelson, meabolex, Kolokotroni and 5 others	27 posts	Last post: Dec 23, 2009, 01:26 AM by Jason Nelson

12 / 19 / 09 Summoner Playtest Dec 22, 2009, 02:45 PM by N. Jolly — N. Jolly and Odentin	4 posts	Last post: Dec 22, 2009, 03:21 PM by N. Jolly

Witches Hex Vision Dec 21, 2009, 12:38 AM by Frostflame — Skizzy, Goblins Eighty-Five and Frostflame	3 posts	Last post: Dec 22, 2009, 03:59 AM by Skizzy

Playtest Data: Thoughts on the Summoner Dec 19, 2009, 09:44 PM by Benn Roe — j r 266, Kolokotroni, Fraust and 3 others	8 posts	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 05:26 PM by j r 266

Please post your actual ingame live Eidolon (and summoner) Dec 16, 2009, 01:41 PM by Selgard — Selgard, QOShea, dulsin and 5 others	12 posts	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 12:48 PM by Odentin

Improved Damage ruling question for the eidolon Dec 20, 2009, 11:40 AM by wraithstrike — wraithstrike and YuenglingDragon	5 posts	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 11:26 AM by YuenglingDragon

Split Summoner Progression Idea Dec 8, 2009, 01:28 PM by YuenglingDragon — YuenglingDragon, Maeloke, Azmahel and 13 others	65 posts	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 09:45 AM by YuenglingDragon

Council of Thieves Playtest - Summoner Dec 21, 2009, 08:57 AM by nathan blackmer — nathan blackmer	1 post	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 09:33 AM by nathan blackmer

Summoner level 5 Playtest Dec 3, 2009, 05:29 AM by lastknightleft — lastknightleft, YuenglingDragon, Quandary and 5 others	19 posts	Last post: Dec 21, 2009, 07:55 AM by lastknightleft

Witch: First impressions Nov 30, 2009, 01:18 PM by stuart haffenden — Dissinger, Sean FitzSimon, dm4hire and 36 others	72 posts	Last post: Dec 20, 2009, 10:36 AM by Morgan Champion

An Idea for Smaller Eidolons Dec 5, 2009, 09:10 PM by MaverickWolf — MaverickWolf, Selgard, Santiago Mendez and 9 others	27 posts	Last post: Dec 19, 2009, 11:01 PM by default

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