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Qadira (Paizo Superscriber, Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Is it possible under the Community Use Policy to write a fan-based book about RotRL AP. As in, using the Paizo provided characters and using the AP as an Outline to tell the story??

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Zuxius wrote:

Is it possible under the Community Use Policy to write a fan-based book about RotRL AP. As in, using the Paizo provided characters and using the AP as an Outline to tell the story??

Nope—while you can reference trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), locations and characters from products listed in Section 1 of our Community Use Approved Product List in fan fiction, you can only reference dialogue, plots, storylines, language, and incidents from the products in campaign journals and play-by-post or play-by-email games.

Qadira (Paizo Superscriber, Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Understood, thank you Vic!

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

So I take it that writing a play follows under the same guidelines. Do you have a process for obtaining rights to use plots, storylines, language or incidents? I ask this because I was considering doing a school production of Burnt Offerings.

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path Subscriber)

Vic Wertz wrote:
Zuxius wrote:

Is it possible under the Community Use Policy to write a fan-based book about RotRL AP. As in, using the Paizo provided characters and using the AP as an Outline to tell the story??

Nope—while you can reference trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), locations and characters from products listed in Section 1 of our Community Use Approved Product List in fan fiction, you can only reference dialogue, plots, storylines, language, and incidents from the products in campaign journals and play-by-post or play-by-email games.

What is the fine line that separates a campaign journal from a fan-based novella? I'm not trying to be difficult, and most campaign journals are definately not book quality. However, I've read some campaign journals that read very much like a novel.

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8)

That said...

Coming soon from Hermitage productions. Charred Donations! First in a 6 part series! Follow the adventures of four heros as they have to stop a batch of evil gnomes from razing the town of Glasstip!

(just kidding, put the pack o'Lawyers away, please)

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Matthew Morris wrote:

That said...

Coming soon from Hermitage productions. Charred Donations! First in a 6 part series! Follow the adventures of four heros as they have to stop a batch of evil gnomes from razing the town of Glasstip!

In all seriousness (something I am not good at), I would love to do Burnt Offerings as a play. Imagine getting a school community prepared for the play by having several experienced players run several different games using Burnt Offerings. Then at the end of the week they watch fellow students perform a theatrical version of their adventure, complete with costumes, battles, masks, set and lights. And don't forget the fog.... plenty of fog.

Granted, there are a few underlying motivations that we may wish not to mention....

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

How does one become a "professional" in the eyes of Paizo?

What if you are non-profit/public school doing an ephemeral theatrical production?

What process must one follow? Or is the answer a cemented "NO"?

Surely, Paizo can see the long term financial benefit of dozens, if not hundreds of potential customers being exposed and intrigued by the first adventure of a 6 part campaign.....

Surely, Paizo would like their name to become directly associated with the terms Fantasy, theatricality, Dungeons and Dragons, Fun, Entertainment....

Surely, I need not call you Shirley....


Can I audition for the role of Nualia's miscarried abomination? I also have some ideas on tastefully replicating a person encased in molten glass. And a wonderful costume idea for a quasit--any midgets in your school? Any parents who don't mind relatively adult issues being depicted by their children on stage?

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

yoda8myhead wrote:
Can I audition for the role of Nualia's miscarried abomination? I also have some ideas on tastefully replicating a person encased in molten glass. And a wonderful costume idea for a quasit--any midgets in your school? Any parents who don't mind relatively adult issues being depicted by their children on stage?

LOL. I would most likely not take on the Glassworks in the production, as the Quasit storyline is more related to later in the campaign. No need to mention the miscarried abomination, rather just something horrible that happened in the past.

I live in Portland and work at an arts school, we don't have that many problems with exploring moral questions. I have been doing this for a dozen years and know my limitations. Additionally, I would never wish to sully Paizo's name.

More problematic to me is how to fit a dozen elves into the story... The young ladies love playing elves. I suppose Shalalu can have friends. And I am sure that Ameiko will be popular.

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8)

Fat Jozka wrote:


More problematic to me is how to fit a dozen elves into the story... The young ladies love playing elves.

Under glass?

Maybe do Second Darkness instead?

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Matthew Morris wrote:


Maybe do Second Darkness instead?

I am not sure I can do anything at this juncture. Our friends at Paizo must be out celebrating the birthday of the Bard himself, Mr. Shakespeare.

Hurrumph


yoda8myhead wrote:
Can I audition for the role of Nualia's miscarried abomination? I also have some ideas on tastefully replicating a person encased in molten glass. And a wonderful costume idea for a quasit--any midgets in your school? Any parents who don't mind relatively adult issues being depicted by their children on stage?

The love scene with Mammy Graul is particularly poignant.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Gray wrote:
What is the fine line that separates a campaign journal from a fan-based novella? I'm not trying to be difficult, and most campaign journals are definately not book quality. However, I've read some campaign journals that read very much like a novel.

We realize that the line is a bit blurry; the only advice I have is that writers should endeavor to ensure that their journals remains "journal-y" enough that nobody has to worry about it.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Fat Jozka wrote:
So I take it that writing a play follows under the same guidelines. Do you have a process for obtaining rights to use plots, storylines, language or incidents? I ask this because I was considering doing a school production of Burnt Offerings.

Since it's not allowed by the Community Use Policy, you'd need to contact us at licensing@paizo.com to get specific permission. (And I believe that you're already corresponding with us on this topic, no?)

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Vic Wertz wrote:

(And I believe that you're already corresponding with us on this topic, no?)

Indeed, I did send an email, but have not received a reply. Thank you for your attentions! I hope you are all chuckling around the office. It is a rather strange request.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Fat Jozka wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:

(And I believe that you're already corresponding with us on this topic, no?)

Indeed, I did send an email, but have not received a reply. Thank you for your attentions! I hope you are all chuckling around the office. It is a rather strange request.

I'm sure you'll hear from Lisa soonish. We find the notion interesting.

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Thank you, kind sir.

Qadira (Pathfinder Superscriber; GameMastery Maps Subscriber)

Vic Wertz wrote:
Gray wrote:
What is the fine line that separates a campaign journal from a fan-based novella? I'm not trying to be difficult, and most campaign journals are definately not book quality. However, I've read some campaign journals that read very much like a novel.
We realize that the line is a bit blurry; the only advice I have is that writers should endeavor to ensure that their journals remains "journal-y" enough that nobody has to worry about it.

Would one of the sticky points of the original request be people putting dialogue in the mouths of the iconics? The first thing that struck me was the potential for representing the iconic in a way that Paizo wouldn't be happy with.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

brock wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Gray wrote:
What is the fine line that separates a campaign journal from a fan-based novella? I'm not trying to be difficult, and most campaign journals are definately not book quality. However, I've read some campaign journals that read very much like a novel.
We realize that the line is a bit blurry; the only advice I have is that writers should endeavor to ensure that their journals remains "journal-y" enough that nobody has to worry about it.
Would one of the sticky points of the original request be people putting dialogue in the mouths of the iconics? The first thing that struck me was the potential for representing the iconic in a way that Paizo wouldn't be happy with.

Not really. After all, you can use our iconics in your fanfic.

Mainly it's that we may someday court a licensee who wishes to publish a novel, comic, movie, or what-have-you using the storyline, and if that licensee feels that they've been "scooped" by fanfic, the deal may be less attractive to them.

Osirion (Pathfinder Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Master Wertz, I have sent you a few ideas via the intertubes. I hope that you have a chance to peruse.


Matthew Morris wrote:

That said...

Coming soon from Hermitage productions. Charred Donations! First in a 6 part series! Follow the adventures of four heros as they have to stop a batch of evil gnomes from razing the town of Glasstip!

(just kidding, put the pack o'Lawyers away, please)

It's too late. We have a lich attorney already drafting a C&D letter. A C&D of horrible, outrageous mind-bending horrors -- one that once it is read will drive you insane with the sheer illogic and skewed mathematics that the Elder Ones have to offer. Once recieved, you will be a gibbering wreck, incapable of saying anything other than "Cthulhu ftaghn! Ia! Ia!"

(This is known as our "polite" option. Please inquire into other Lich attorney services when you call 1-800-LICH-SUE, including the truly nasty stuff.)

Qadira (Paizo Superscriber)

Law Offices of Vecna & Acererak wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

That said...

Coming soon from Hermitage productions. Charred Donations! First in a 6 part series! Follow the adventures of four heros as they have to stop a batch of evil gnomes from razing the town of Glasstip!

(just kidding, put the pack o'Lawyers away, please)

It's too late. We have a lich attorney already drafting a C&D letter. A C&D of horrible, outrageous mind-bending horrors -- one that once it is read will drive you insane with the sheer illogic and skewed mathematics that the Elder Ones have to offer. Once recieved, you will be a gibbering wreck, incapable of saying anything other than "Cthulhu ftaghn! Ia! Ia!"

(This is known as our "polite" option. Please inquire into other Lich attorney services when you call 1-800-LICH-SUE, including the truly nasty stuff.)

I love these boards

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path Subscriber)

Vic Wertz wrote:

Not really. After all, you can use our iconics in your fanfic.

Mainly it's that we may someday court a licensee who wishes to publish a novel, comic, movie, or what-have-you using the storyline, and if that licensee feels that they've been "scooped" by fanfic, the deal may be less attractive to them.

Now that really makes sense. As much as I might love my own fan-boy fiction, I'd be happier to read a professional's rendition. Or see the movie. Or read the comic. Or play the RPG computer games that runs on mechanics that are very much like Temple of Elemental Evil, except that it won't have a lot of bugs, and I could get my gaming fix when my normal group(s) can't get together. Boy, that would be nice, but I digress. Sorry, but can you tell I'd love to see a Pathfinder PC game?


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