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Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Graeme Davis ?

Graeme "Warhammer Fantasy RPG, 1st Edition" Davis ?

Holy crap !

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Well, the PCs ally with the Pathfinder Society from the beginning. Somehow, in reading this adventure's description, I imagine a venture captain muttering "They're coming to get you, Eando."


Yeah, it's totally Eando Kline.

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

logic_poet wrote:
Well, the PCs ally with the Pathfinder Society from the beginning. Somehow, in reading this adventure's description, I imagine a venture captain muttering "They're coming to get you, Eando."

Not necessarily. We'll be setting it up so that the PCs get to choose their allies. And none of them will necessarily be "the right" choices. You could very easily play this AP wiht the Pathfinder Society as the bad guys.

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This makes me happy!


Graeme Davis that's a name I haven't heard in quite a while! And an author I'm definitely keen on having a Pathfinder adventure from!

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Watcher wrote:
Graeme Davis that's a name I haven't heard in quite a while! And an author I'm definitely keen on having a Pathfinder adventure from!

I've worked with Graeme once before; he wrote a Freeport pirate adventure for Dungeon Magazine back in the mid 100s somewhere. I'm REALLY excited to get him on the AP line!


James Jacobs wrote:
I've worked with Graeme once before; he wrote a Freeport pirate adventure for Dungeon Magazine back in the mid 100s somewhere. I'm REALLY excited to get him on the AP line!

Me too! Or I'm excited to see it happen! For those who don't know, Graeme really helped put Warhammer Fantasy RPG on the map. He's going to add a really cool and distinct flavor to any AP.

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Gorbacz wrote:

Graeme Davis ?

Graeme "Warhammer Fantasy RPG, 1st Edition" Davis ?

Holy crap !

You stole my words, that guy is a legend!!!


Sounds interesting, and a touch Lovecraftian which is always a plus in my book

And a nifty green cover to boot.

Speaking of covers, I really like the purple background you use for temporary cover pictures. Any chance of seeing that as an actual background for one of the paths ?

(Pathfinder Campaign Setting Charter Superscriber)

The 1st sentence in the product description seems cut off...

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

BenS wrote:
The 1st sentence in the product description seems cut off...

Oops... that first fragment was actually a remnant of the description of #40. I've removed it. Thanks!

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Any chance the Nethys article will include a prestige class to extend the Mystic Theurge for four more levels?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

logic_poet wrote:
Any chance the Nethys article will include a prestige class to extend the Mystic Theurge for four more levels?

Nope. No chance at all. The point of the Mystic Theurge class is that you trade off those four levels in return for getting to play two spellcasters at once.

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
Any chance the Nethys article will include a prestige class to extend the Mystic Theurge for four more levels?
Nope. No chance at all. The point of the Mystic Theurge class is that you trade off those four levels in return for getting to play two spellcasters at once.

I had kind of imagined a prestige class with a prereq of spell synthesis that would work like the old Archmage or Hierophant, granting +1 level of a spellcasting class and the menu of weird abilities for spell slots, actually. I guess I should have been more specific. After all, any cleric of Nethys with 10 levels of MT is probably no more than 1 feat away from being able to go Loremaster for levels 19-20, and maybe earlier if they plan ahead and pick up that skill focus early, and have the faster spell progression classes as the stuff prior to MT.

While on the subject of Nethys, though, any details on ruincasting, the Magaambya and the tempest-sun mages in this AP?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

logic_poet wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
Any chance the Nethys article will include a prestige class to extend the Mystic Theurge for four more levels?
Nope. No chance at all. The point of the Mystic Theurge class is that you trade off those four levels in return for getting to play two spellcasters at once.

I had kind of imagined a prestige class with a prereq of spell synthesis that would work like the old Archmage or Hierophant, granting +1 level of a spellcasting class and the menu of weird abilities for spell slots, actually. I guess I should have been more specific. After all, any cleric of Nethys with 10 levels of MT is probably no more than 1 feat away from being able to go Loremaster for levels 19-20, and maybe earlier if they plan ahead and pick up that skill focus early, and have the faster spell progression classes as the stuff prior to MT.

While on the subject of Nethys, though, any details on ruincasting, the Magaambya and the tempest-sun mages in this AP?

WAY too early to start revealing that level of detail. The articles, in some cases, haven't even been assigned to authors yet, in fact. (Although Sean WILL be writing the Nethys article.)

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

There are a lot of numbers in the names of this AP. Since you already have "Thousand" in #36 as well, I wonder if the Azlanti theme would be better served with "Myriad." Is it too late to change?


logic_poet wrote:
There are a lot of numbers in the names of this AP. Since you already have "Thousand" in #36 as well, I wonder if the Azlanti theme would be better served with "Myriad." Is it too late to change?

Would you say there is a PLETHORA of fangs below, Jefe?

i'm really looking forward to this one. i've really loved Mr. Davis' Freeport work.

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

voodoo chili wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
There are a lot of numbers in the names of this AP. Since you already have "Thousand" in #36 as well, I wonder if the Azlanti theme would be better served with "Myriad." Is it too late to change?

Would you say there is a PLETHORA of fangs below, Jefe?

i'm really looking forward to this one. i've really loved Mr. Davis' Freeport work.

I'm sure the adventure will be good; I'm just worried that folks might get the idea there's a one-to-one, onto correspondence between this and #36. Like this one will be The Revenge of The Cosmic Dentist, with 1 scream per fang.

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

logic_poet wrote:
voodoo chili wrote:
logic_poet wrote:
There are a lot of numbers in the names of this AP. Since you already have "Thousand" in #36 as well, I wonder if the Azlanti theme would be better served with "Myriad." Is it too late to change?

Would you say there is a PLETHORA of fangs below, Jefe?

i'm really looking forward to this one. i've really loved Mr. Davis' Freeport work.
I'm sure the adventure will be good; I'm just worried that folks might get the idea there's a one-to-one, onto correspondence between this and #36. Like this one will be The Revenge of The Cosmic Dentist, with 1 scream per fang.

That would be an unusual logical leap, since the two volumes are separated by about a half year of time and are in different Adventrue Paths. It's already been solicited, in any event, so while it's not too late to change the title, it's not likely to happen.

In any case, "The Myriad Fangs Below" or "The Plethora of Fangs Below" don't sound NEARLY as evocative as "The Thousand Fangs Below," if only for the loss of the TH consonance between "The" and "Thousand" and the S consonance between "Thousand" and "Fangs."

Cheliax (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
In any case, "The Myriad Fangs Below" or "The Plethora of Fangs Below" don't sound NEARLY as evocative as "The Thousand Fangs Below," if only for the loss of the TH consonance between "The" and "Thousand" and the S consonance between "Thousand" and "Fangs."

What about: A Lot More Than Thousand Fangs Below, Possibly Even a Myriad Fangs Below!

That has it all.

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber)

voodoo chili wrote:
Would you say there is a PLETHORA of fangs below, Jefe?

Si, El Guapo.


Tharen the Damned wrote:


What about: A Lot More Than Thousand Fangs Below, Possibly Even a Myriad Fangs Below!

I like "The Ventral Kilofang"

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

With a suitable musical theme:

"One Thousand Fangs Below!"

(RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32)

Hmmmm ... the temp art gives the impression that this adventure will include some underwater elements. :)

I wonder if there is any truth to that rumor?

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Lord Fyre wrote:

Hmmmm ... the temp art gives the impression that this adventure will include some underwater elements. :)

I wonder if there is any truth to that rumor?

None whatsoever. There's no underwater stuff in the adventure.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

The cover image and description have been updated to match the finished product.

Cheliax (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Pretty cool cover.


James Jacobs wrote:
Watcher wrote:
Graeme Davis that's a name I haven't heard in quite a while! And an author I'm definitely keen on having a Pathfinder adventure from!
I've worked with Graeme once before; he wrote a Freeport pirate adventure for Dungeon Magazine back in the mid 100s somewhere. I'm REALLY excited to get him on the AP line!

I think I bought Graeme's work back in the mid-nineties, purchased the six-part series for The Enemy Within Campaign, and fell in love with a game that totally trumped our 2nd edition game at the time. Now you say his name and I have the same reaction as when I hear "Monte Cook is in the house!"

Paizo is awesome at snapping up great writers.

Cheliax (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

The chick on page 45 has a really freaking long tail.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Dark_Mistress wrote:
The chick on page 45 has a really freaking long tail.

Not so loud—she's sensitive about it.

Taldor (Paizo Charter Superscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
Watcher wrote:
Graeme Davis that's a name I haven't heard in quite a while! And an author I'm definitely keen on having a Pathfinder adventure from!
I've worked with Graeme once before; he wrote a Freeport pirate adventure for Dungeon Magazine back in the mid 100s somewhere. I'm REALLY excited to get him on the AP line!

Dungeon 107 - a really really good adventure, that I have used to start my Freeport campaign in Greyhawk. Can't wait to read his newest opus (i.e. "Thousand Fangs Below").

Cheliax (Paizo Charter Superscriber, Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Didn't he write the Adlerweg modules a long time ago for AD&D? I think "The Sentinel" and "The Gauntlet".

Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Screw D&D, Graeme Davis is THE man when it comes to Warhammer RPG and several White Wolf books. He wrote some of the best early Vampire books and Wraith: Oblivion. Also, GURPS. I'm so excited that this legendary person is writing a Pathfinder module, wohoo !

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting Subscriber)

Geez, this is an amazing adventure - probably my favorite since Sound of a Thousand Screams. Hopefully Paizo can get Graeme Davis on board for more projects.

Andoran (Pathfinder Superscriber)

A question on the Nethys article: How does this affect the classes of the APG? I'm planning on allowing Witches, Summoners and Inquisitors to use the new spell and the revised spell list simply because given the description of Nethys I can't imagine them not being equally welcome. Just raising it as a point of interest.

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber)

I just wanted to say that the Wizard Ezren is really sad because as a level 13 Wizard with his Int he should have 2 7th level spells, but his 'player' apparently forgot to make note of that when he gained his most recent level. Fortunately, Kyra's 'player' wasn't so negligent. :)

-regarding the NPCs in the back of the book-

Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Paradygmatic wrote:

I just wanted to say that the Wizard Ezren is really sad because as a level 13 Wizard with his Int he should have 2 7th level spells, but his 'player' apparently forgot to make note of that when he gained his most recent level. Fortunately, Kyra's 'player' wasn't so negligent. :)

-regarding the NPCs in the back of the book-

You can as well as forget about these, they're going away from Carrion Crown on. Apparently the only reason for their existence was for folks to argue over stats.

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Gorbacz wrote:
Paradygmatic wrote:

I just wanted to say that the Wizard Ezren is really sad because as a level 13 Wizard with his Int he should have 2 7th level spells, but his 'player' apparently forgot to make note of that when he gained his most recent level. Fortunately, Kyra's 'player' wasn't so negligent. :)

-regarding the NPCs in the back of the book-

You can as well as forget about these, they're going away from Carrion Crown on. Apparently the only reason for their existence was for folks to argue over stats.

Ah, I remember there being some discussion about that, but I didn't know it had been finalized.

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Gorbacz wrote:
Paradygmatic wrote:

I just wanted to say that the Wizard Ezren is really sad because as a level 13 Wizard with his Int he should have 2 7th level spells, but his 'player' apparently forgot to make note of that when he gained his most recent level. Fortunately, Kyra's 'player' wasn't so negligent. :)

-regarding the NPCs in the back of the book-

You can as well as forget about these, they're going away from Carrion Crown on. Apparently the only reason for their existence was for folks to argue over stats.

Not quite true... although that's certainly ended UP being the main reason.


Is it me, or that front cover art of Kline look like something that would be found on a video game/MMO?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

joela wrote:
Is it me, or that front cover art of Kline look like something that would be found on a video game/MMO?

Not sure why you'd say that about this cover and not the other 40 some covers, honestly...


James Jacobs wrote:
joela wrote:
Is it me, or that front cover art of Kline look like something that would be found on a video game/MMO?
Not sure why you'd say that about this cover and not the other 40 some covers, honestly...

This one, especially, caught my eye.

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

joela wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
joela wrote:
Is it me, or that front cover art of Kline look like something that would be found on a video game/MMO?
Not sure why you'd say that about this cover and not the other 40 some covers, honestly...
This one, especially, caught my eye.

(shrug)

Since fantasy MMO video games tend to use the same style of art we do (and in some cases, the same ARTISTS we do), I suppose it's not surprising.

Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

I don't see anything MMO-ish about the art ... unless you think that shoulderpads = MMO :)


James Jacobs wrote:
joela wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
joela wrote:
Is it me, or that front cover art of Kline look like something that would be found on a video game/MMO?
Not sure why you'd say that about this cover and not the other 40 some covers, honestly...
This one, especially, caught my eye.

(shrug)

Since fantasy MMO video games tend to use the same style of art we do (and in some cases, the same ARTISTS we do), I suppose it's not surprising.

I don't play video games and MMOs. I've been inundated recently by various game PRs to review and posts so that's probably why I noticed the cover.


Gorbacz wrote:
I don't see anything MMO-ish about the art ... unless you think that shoulderpads = MMO :)

It was actually the face that caught my eye. Reminded me of some of those shoot-em-up characters in video and MMOs games.


Anyone else notice that Nethys didn't get a portrait in his article like the other gods. Instead there was a picture of a lady rocking the half-face.

Hmm......he's note swiping from Gozreh's schtick is he? ;)

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Mikaze wrote:

Anyone else notice that Nethys didn't get a portrait in his article like the other gods. Instead there was a picture of a lady rocking the half-face.

Hmm......he's note swiping from Gozreh's schtick is he? ;)

That was a mixup at the art order stage—the picture of Nethys is the half-page horizontal opener at the start of the article, while the picture of a cleric doing her thing is the vertical one.


James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Anyone else notice that Nethys didn't get a portrait in his article like the other gods. Instead there was a picture of a lady rocking the half-face.

Hmm......he's note swiping from Gozreh's schtick is he? ;)

That was a mixup at the art order stage—the picture of Nethys is the half-page horizontal opener at the start of the article, while the picture of a cleric doing her thing is the vertical one.

Oh! Thought Nethys just assumed a female form.


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