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Ilvarandin

I'd be a liar if I said I wouldn't like to see some skintakers lurking in those lost shadows. Even if I'm not fortunate enough to write 'em up.

Especially since that was an inspiration for them, along with the core Bestiary entry for the Intellect Devourers. Whoohoo!

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Tales Subscriber)

<cough> adventure pitch <cough>

Qadira (Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Quarterly)

This one is top of my list at the moment. Great concept, great cities.

(RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32)

Will there be a map folio for this one as well?


Wolfgang, are you gonna rock out Kho?

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Oddly enough, I like this mockup cover art and wish that the site it was used for had made the cut. Looking forward to it.


Probably. We haven't decided yet, as it will come out some time in 2011 if we do do it.

Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

I am hanging up/delaying my RotRL campaign until I get my hands on this. Xin-Shalast deserves a proper treatment !

(RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor)

I gotta admit, I enjoyed Cities of Golarion and I'm looking forward to the Lost Cities now. Lots of cool product announcements, guys!


I just wanted to apologize for the first post. I didn't mean to come across as so self-serving and self-promotional. I'm just excited to see Ilvarandin on the list because obviously it's been on my mind this month.

This looks to be an awesome product.

Osirion (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Contributor)

Sweet - this one looks great. I will say that peeps wanting a preview of the Ruins of Kho can see a little something about the place in the upcoming Mwangi Companion that is coming out along with the Serpent's Skull AP.

All kinds of fun and exciting goodness today!

Osirion (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Contributor)

Watcher wrote:

I just wanted to apologize for the first post. I didn't mean to come across as so self-serving and self-promotional. I'm just excited to see Ilvarandin on the list because obviously it's been on my mind this month.

This looks to be an awesome product.

Hey, they'd be a great creature to use for that city, no doubt. They are Paizo IP now, after all... :)

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

It's VERY LIKELY that the section on Ilvarandin will be HEAVILY INFLUENCED by what I'm doing in my office "Shadow Under Sandpoint" campaign... I've had plans for Ilvarandin's iconic monster in Pathfinder for years.


Jason Nelson wrote:
Watcher wrote:

I just wanted to apologize for the first post. I didn't mean to come across as so self-serving and self-promotional. I'm just excited to see Ilvarandin on the list because obviously it's been on my mind this month.

This looks to be an awesome product.

Hey, they'd be a great creature to use for that city, no doubt. They are Paizo IP now, after all... :)

Well.. Judging from James' reply just above this one, any thought I had about the intellect devourers was just touching on something he already had in mind. The hints and clues about IDs were already there, I just reached out and did something with them.

Whatever will be will be. I just got excited for a moment.


NSpicer wrote:
I gotta admit, I enjoyed Cities of Golarion and I'm looking forward to the Lost Cities now. Lots of cool product announcements, guys!

+1! I'm super-excited about these new products -- looks like another good year for all Paizo customers! :)

I wonder... will there be a map folio for 'Lost Cities', too?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Asgetrion wrote:
NSpicer wrote:
I gotta admit, I enjoyed Cities of Golarion and I'm looking forward to the Lost Cities now. Lots of cool product announcements, guys!

+1! I'm super-excited about these new products -- looks like another good year for all Paizo customers! :)

I wonder... will there be a map folio for 'Lost Cities', too?

Maybe. Would that be cool?


James Jacobs wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
NSpicer wrote:
I gotta admit, I enjoyed Cities of Golarion and I'm looking forward to the Lost Cities now. Lots of cool product announcements, guys!

+1! I'm super-excited about these new products -- looks like another good year for all Paizo customers! :)

I wonder... will there be a map folio for 'Lost Cities', too?

Maybe. Would that be cool?

It would be ultra cool -- I bought the map folio for 'Cities of Golarion', and I love it! As the old adage goes: "No map can be too big for a GM". Remember those huge Waterdeep maps, James? That's what you should be gunning for! ;)


YES.

Best format would be a big, hand-drawn looking map with an accompanying single-panel key for the GM. Lost cities are to be found and explored — I don't want a GM-level of info on the big map.

This release announcement has my mind racing with memories of the Myth Drannor boxed set. I was but a lad then...


Evil Lincoln wrote:

YES.

Best format would be a big, hand-drawn looking map with an accompanying single-panel key for the GM. Lost cities are to be found and explored — I don't want a GM-level of info on the big map.

This release announcement has my mind racing with memories of the Myth Drannor boxed set. I was but a lad then...

Yeah, that map was cool! :) I didn't imply that building should be marked or tagged -- on the contrary (I'm fine with the GM's maps in the book). I just love big maps, and mainly my intention would be to show it to the players!


Evil Lincoln wrote:
This release announcement has my mind racing with memories of the Myth Drannor boxed set. I was but a lad then...

I wasn't such a lad then

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber)

We need to see the Jistka Imperium's Rachikan in here (end shameless plug)

(Paizo Superscriber)

Yay, old Azlant ruins!!


I am drooling all over my keyboard here at work.=D


Kho and the Sun Temple Colony *drooool*


Sounds cool, and glad to hear that Xin Shalast is represented, as there's no way that my current Runelords campaign will get to that point there before this releases.


Davelozzi wrote:
Sounds cool, and glad to hear that Xin Shalast is represented, as there's no way that my current Runelords campaign will get to that point there before this releases.

Hm... we are stumbling around in Xin-Shalast (do you know, by the way, how much fun it is to say that as "Ksin-Shalast"? Or say "Tian-Ksia"? Try having a wannabe-sinologist in your party some time. The tears of impotent rage! :D) right now.

Funny story (except from the point of view of the two dead party members):

(ROTRL-Spoilers follow)

Spoiler:

We run around in the Big City (the party rogue basically stripping the gold from the street. With her tongue) getting to that big tower/ant-hill thing. We get in, it's crawling with yetis! The archer is right out, being paralysed by fear. The party paladin is grappled, and killed before anyone can do anything (and the party cleric was too far away to do breath of life). The funny part is that for the first time, the player has remembered that you can run away - and he couldn't! Because of the grapple. Ah, the irony.

So we need to get him back to life, because we're in a city you can only get in once a month (and we don't know whether we have another month before our mission fails!) and can't just recruit someone else. But we don't have the necessary materials to bring him back.

Luckily for him, we have a magic quill that will answer us questions. It tells us the stuff we need can be found in some arena. We go to said arena to fight its master for that stuff - and the cleric is killed.

Now we have all the materials we'd need, but we don't have anyone who can bring them back.

Qadira (Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Quarterly)

Adam Daigle wrote:
Wolfgang, are you gonna rock out Kho?

Alas, no, which makes me a sad designer. I've been spending time on Azlant and Zobeck, but I'm confident that this book will meet the usual high bar Paizo sets.

In the meantime, Sunken Empires will cover Azlant/Atlantean/Lemurian monsters, technology, hooks, etc and ships in May, so it's not as if there aren't plenty of toys to play with until Lost Cities.


This is definitely one of the coolest looking products in the Pathfinder Chronicles line and that is saying something. The only thing that could maybe top this for me is the Mwangi Expanse product. Saying that I'm a little disappointed about Xin-Shalast as it has already been covered pretty darn well in Spires of Xin-Shalast and there are so many other Thassilion ruined cities that I'd have loved to have seen explored in this, Hollow mountain being the most obvious one. An ancient city carved from a mountain, jutting out of an angry sea and torn in two by some ancient catastrophe. That's just too cool not to get some sort of Chronicles coverage. Don't get me wrong I am sure that there is a vast amount more that can be done with Xin Shalast it's just that I'd rather see one of the other Thassilion cities covered. The Thassilon article was so interesting and had such an epic scope and feel to it that it seems a shame to just focus on one site. Still I'm sure we haven't heard the last of the Runelords.


Wolfgang Baur wrote:
In the meantime, Sunken Empires will cover Azlant/Atlantean/Lemurian monsters, technology, hooks, etc and ships in May, so it's not as if there aren't plenty of toys to play with until Lost Cities.

sounds like fun. can't wait

Andoran (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber)

Cheddar Bearer wrote:
The Thassilon article was so interesting and had such an epic scope and feel to it that it seems a shame to just focus on one site. Still I'm sure we haven't heard the last of the Runelords.

I agree 110%!


This would make a great high level campaign setting!


Again...I'm running out of shelf space. Keep up the good work.

(Pathfinder Campaign Setting Charter Superscriber)

This looks just great. Even the mockup cover art.

(Paizo Superscriber)

AS much fun as this looks (and I am getting it) isn;t Xin-Shalast already covered in "The Spires of Xin-Shalast"?

Id rather see some other Thassalonian ruin covered or expanded upon.


James Jacobs wrote:

Maybe. Would that be cool?

Ummm. Yes?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

gigglestick wrote:

AS much fun as this looks (and I am getting it) isn;t Xin-Shalast already covered in "The Spires of Xin-Shalast"?

Id rather see some other Thassalonian ruin covered or expanded upon.

Xin-Shalast is indeed covered in that adventure. An adventure that's going to be out of print pretty soon. We'll likely be covering Xin-Shalast via a different angle and with different info in this book. And the fact remains that it's one of our "most famous" Lost Cities (since it's also the first we revealed) so it'd feel a bit weird leaving it out.

BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber)

Xin-Bakrakhan!!!


James Jacobs wrote:
BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

Xin-Eurythnia! (or, I suppose, Xin-Gastash)

(Paizo Superscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
gigglestick wrote:

AS much fun as this looks (and I am getting it) isn;t Xin-Shalast already covered in "The Spires of Xin-Shalast"?

Id rather see some other Thassalonian ruin covered or expanded upon.

Xin-Shalast is indeed covered in that adventure. An adventure that's going to be out of print pretty soon. We'll likely be covering Xin-Shalast via a different angle and with different info in this book. And the fact remains that it's one of our "most famous" Lost Cities (since it's also the first we revealed) so it'd feel a bit weird leaving it out.

BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

I think that would be much better. (After all SOXS will still be available as PDF, right?)

Silver Crusade (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Actually, I would die for a more detailed look at Xin-Shalast.. SOXS left me somewhat wanting :)

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Maps would be nice

Cheliax (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber)

Gorbacz wrote:
Actually, I would die for a more detailed look at Xin-Shalast.. SOXS left me somewhat wanting :)

Agreed. Given the very open finale of the RotRL AP, having more resources to build on developments and extra thassilonian Xin-Shalast based stuff would be really nice.


Personally I'm of the opinion that if this book is just rehashed information on Xin Shalast, pick a new city. Reprinting info will just disappoint people who have Spires, which are the people most interested in Xin Shalast. If you could expand on the information in Spires even more I think there will be a ton of happy DM's.

Besides seeing Xin Shalast on the list made me want to buy this book. If it weren't there I might still buy it, but not as quickly.


Wouldn't Xin-Cyrusian be the "proudest" ruin of Old Thassilon? ;)

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path Subscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:


Xin-Shalast is indeed covered in that adventure. An adventure that's going to be out of print pretty soon. We'll likely be covering Xin-Shalast via a different angle and with different info in this book. And the fact remains that it's one of our "most famous" Lost Cities (since it's also the first we revealed) so it'd feel a bit weird leaving it out.

BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

I for one can't get enough info about Xin-Shalast, and would love to see it expanded in this product.

Cheliax (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
gigglestick wrote:

AS much fun as this looks (and I am getting it) isn;t Xin-Shalast already covered in "The Spires of Xin-Shalast"?

Id rather see some other Thassalonian ruin covered or expanded upon.

Xin-Shalast is indeed covered in that adventure. An adventure that's going to be out of print pretty soon. We'll likely be covering Xin-Shalast via a different angle and with different info in this book. And the fact remains that it's one of our "most famous" Lost Cities (since it's also the first we revealed) so it'd feel a bit weird leaving it out.

BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

Or maybe do a Chronicles book about the Thassilonian empire. Some bits about the history, magic, culture, cites etc and then information about whats left. That would be a cool book.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
gigglestick wrote:

AS much fun as this looks (and I am getting it) isn;t Xin-Shalast already covered in "The Spires of Xin-Shalast"?

Id rather see some other Thassalonian ruin covered or expanded upon.

Xin-Shalast is indeed covered in that adventure. An adventure that's going to be out of print pretty soon. We'll likely be covering Xin-Shalast via a different angle and with different info in this book. And the fact remains that it's one of our "most famous" Lost Cities (since it's also the first we revealed) so it'd feel a bit weird leaving it out.

BUT it's a good point. We might switch to a different lost Thassilonian city. There were 7 Thassilonian capitals in all, after all...

Or maybe do a Chronicles book about the Thassilonian empire. Some bits about the history, magic, culture, cites etc and then information about whats left. That would be a cool book.

A great idea! I'd buy it in a second! :)

(Pathfinder Campaign Setting Charter Superscriber)

Asgetrion wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:


Or maybe do a Chronicles book about the Thassilonian empire. Some bits about the history, magic, culture, cites etc and then information about whats left. That would be a cool book.
A great idea! I'd buy it in a second! :)

That's a fantastic idea for a Chronicles book!


BenS wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:


Or maybe do a Chronicles book about the Thassilonian empire. Some bits about the history, magic, culture, cites etc and then information about whats left. That would be a cool book.
A great idea! I'd buy it in a second! :)
That's a fantastic idea for a Chronicles book!

Why just do a book with one lost kindgom when they could do one similar to what WotC did with Lost Empires of Faerun and cover several in one book, or like Lost Cities of Golarion, but covering kingdoms instead of cities. It could be a hardcover book in the new Campaign Setting World Guide series.

Cheliax (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
BenS wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:


Or maybe do a Chronicles book about the Thassilonian empire. Some bits about the history, magic, culture, cites etc and then information about whats left. That would be a cool book.
A great idea! I'd buy it in a second! :)
That's a fantastic idea for a Chronicles book!
Why just do a book with one lost kindgom when they could do one similar to what WotC did with Lost Empires of Faerun and cover several in one book, or like Lost Cities of Golarion, but covering kingdoms instead of cities. It could be a hardcover book in the new Campaign Setting World Guide series.

Cause it is less of a risk to do a smaller book about one, plus it fits their chroncles/companion model line. Also if it does well then they can do a new chronicle for each lost empire.

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