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Vic Wertz (Technical Director), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 03:48 PM

Just announced! (Officially, anyway—I know most of you already knew about it.)

The cover is just a mockup; the finished product will bear a brand-new piece by Wayne Reynolds.

Sharoth (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Planet Stories Subscriber), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 03:50 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

Just announced! (Officially, anyway—I know most of you already knew about it.)

The cover is just a mockup; the finished product will bear a brand-new piece by Wayne Reynolds.

Thanks Vic!

yoda8myhead (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:09 PM

Oooooh, Product Announcements is starting!

cracks knuckles for a busy night of wiki updating

Bring it on!

Vic Wertz (Technical Director), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:14 PM

yoda8myhead wrote:

Oooooh, Product Announcements is starting!

cracks knuckles for a busy night of wiki updating

Bring it on!

Back away from the computer! I might sneak up a few more if I get a chance, but I think they'll mostly go up Tuesday. Tomorrow, you'll find out why this one had to go up today...

Haldir, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:15 PM

nice!!

always look forward to new WAR Pathfinder artwork

GentleGiant (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:45 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

yoda8myhead wrote:

Oooooh, Product Announcements is starting!

cracks knuckles for a busy night of wiki updating

Bring it on!

Back away from the computer! I might sneak up a few more if I get a chance, but I think they'll mostly go up Tuesday. Tomorrow, you'll find out why this one had to go up today...

Obviously that's because the playtest goes live tomorrow... right?
Please?
Pretty please?
Pretty with Moorluck's new kitten named Paizo please?

Vic Wertz (Technical Director), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:47 PM

GentleGiant wrote:

Obviously that's because the playtest goes live tomorrow... right?

Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook not so good."

GentleGiant (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 04:50 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

GentleGiant wrote:

Obviously that's because the playtest goes live tomorrow... right?

Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook not so good."

But I even had kitten pleases in there! Damn... oh well, there's always next week. :-p

Dark_Mistress (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 06:08 PM

Very cool.

kyrt-ryder, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 08:59 PM

Now that it's officially announced do we know when the playtest is going to start?

dm4hire, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 10:04 PM

Will the playtest be conducted the same way as before with everything released in a pdf? Or will it just be a available via the forum only? Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)

DragonBringerX, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 10:12 PM

dm4hire wrote:

Will the playtest be conducted the same way as before with everything released in a pdf? Or will it just be a available via the forum only? Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)

I am currious as of this detail as well.

Personally i am hoping for a pdf. If not, no big deal. I have a firefox add-on that lets me save web-pages as pdfs...so.

seekerofshadowlight, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 10:22 PM

Name this add-on!

dm4hire, Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 11:57 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

The cover is just a mockup; the finished product will bear a brand-new piece by Wayne Reynolds.

I want another poster! It should say, "3.5! Still Thriving!"

Lisa Stevens (CEO), Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 12:54 AM

dm4hire wrote:

Will the playtest be conducted the same way as before with everything released in a pdf? Or will it just be a available via the forum only? Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)

It will be a series of PDFs released over the course of a couple of months.

-Lisa

dm4hire, Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 01:01 AM

Lisa Stevens wrote:

It will be a series of PDFs released over the course of a couple of months.

-Lisa

Woot! Let's get this party started!

MerrikCale, Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 07:16 AM

Man, I cannot wait for this

The Weave05, Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 10:31 AM

Ooh, very excited!

By the way, I would've been satisfied even if you chose to use that cover art, though I have faith that Mr. Reynolds will bring us another awesome piece of artwork to slap on this book.

Dalesh, Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 04:27 PM

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

Dennis da Ogre, Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 04:42 PM

Dalesh wrote:

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

The idea of an asian themed book has been bandied about. Nothing in development but there is a significant chance an asian themed book will appear sometime in 2011.

yoda8myhead (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 04:46 PM

Dennis da Ogre wrote:

Dalesh wrote:

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

The idea of an asian themed book has been bandied about. Nothing in development but there is a significant chance an asian themed book will appear sometime in 2011.

Well, it will most likely come out in conjunction with or shortly before Jade Regent, which I hope is in 2011.

Berselius, Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 12:46 PM

(hopes they preview the Summoner class)

Enlight_Bystand (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 02:05 PM

Berselius wrote:

(hopes they preview the Summoner class)

All six classes will be going through open playtesting, so we should get the whole thing!

Berselius, Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 05:06 PM

wrote:

All six classes will be going through open play testing, so we should get the whole thing!

Yay! ^_^

Goblin Kings Codpiece, Sun, Nov 1, 2009, 02:46 PM

Anyone know what (if any) optional character creation/advancement rules may be included?

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Sun, Nov 1, 2009, 02:57 PM

Goblin Kings Codpiece wrote:

Anyone know what (if any) optional character creation/advancement rules may be included?

Nope!

As in, this section of the book has yet to be started. And may or may not be in the book anyway.

Wolfthulhu, Sun, Nov 1, 2009, 07:30 PM

James Jacobs wrote:

Goblin Kings Codpiece wrote:

Anyone know what (if any) optional character creation/advancement rules may be included?

Nope!

As in, this section of the book has yet to be started. And may or may not be in the book anyway.

How about a heads up on what sections have been started?

Besides Classes, of course... :-P

Draeke Raefel (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Mon, Nov 2, 2009, 10:48 AM

The Cover!

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Mon, Nov 2, 2009, 11:30 AM

The only part of the APG that we'll be publicly playtesting are the new base classes. As such, we're getting those done first; we won't be saying much about the rest of the book for some time to come.

Dark_Mistress (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Mon, Nov 2, 2009, 01:26 PM

James Jacobs wrote:

The only part of the APG that we'll be publicly playtesting are the new base classes. As such, we're getting those done first; we won't be saying much about the rest of the book for some time to come.

Tease... and August 2010? gah are you trying to kill us posting something like this, that far in advance.

Draeke Raefel (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 06:18 AM

Well, they need to get out beta opinions and you can't really do that after you release the product :) so they need plenty of time to make changes/edits/addendum/funny faces/and long heated message board postings on name changes.

TheTwitching King (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 07:07 AM

Over the years I've seen the Noble core class (or some version of) done two or three times.These were all alright, but not great. I'm hoping for the Cavalier to fill in that place. A Cavalier/Rogue seems to be a great path for a swashbuckler.
I personal cannot wait for the summoner though. I want to create the mother of all Owlbears that chews up goblins and city guards alike.

Is there any word on the adventure path after "King Maker"? It is just that adventure path will come out around the same time as this book. The NPCs within that path will be a great place to show off what these new core classes can do.

MerrikCale, Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 07:34 AM

TheTwitching King wrote:

Over the years I've seen the Noble core class (or some version of) done two or three times.These were all alright, but not great. I'm hoping for the Cavalier to fill in that place. A Cavalier/Rogue seems to be a great path for a swashbuckler.
I personal cannot wait for the summoner though. I want to create the mother of all Owlbears that chews up goblins and city guards alike.

I agree. They seem to be giving the cavalier a little swashbucklerness. Heavy skills, adept at high society.

yoda8myhead (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 07:43 AM

TheTwitching King wrote:

Is there any word on the adventure path after "Kingmaker"? It is just that adventure path will come out around the same time as this book. The NPCs within that path will be a great place to show off what these new core classes can do.

The 7th AP will be "Serpent's Skull" and will take the PCs from Sargava, through the Screaming Jungle, and into the heart of the Mwangi Expanse. It should also deal heavily with serpentfolk! Whee!

TheTwitching King (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 4), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 10:26 AM

Witch doctors with skrunken heads and serpentfolk summoners calling forth fanged-backed howler monkeys with snake necks! I can see the safari capped cavalier and her bristish-talking potion maker choppin through the jungle, out looking for rare plants and diamond bedded rivers. Yes that will do nicely.

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 11:16 AM

Draeke Raefel wrote:

Well, they need to get out beta opinions and you can't really do that after you release the product :) so they need plenty of time to make changes/edits/addendum/funny faces/and long heated message board postings on name changes.

Correct. Because as the schedule compresses and unanticipated things and delays pop up... that time is likely to get taken out of the time allotted for playtesting. So we HAVE to get that element done early.

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 11:17 AM

Kingmaker's final adventure releases the month before the Advanced Player's Guide comes out, and thus won't have any of the new base classes in there at all.

There might be some showing up in Serpent's Skull. If it makes sense.

Ignatz, Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 12:06 PM

Wolfthulhu wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

Goblin Kings Codpiece wrote:

Anyone know what (if any) optional character creation/advancement rules may be included?

Nope!

As in, this section of the book has yet to be started. And may or may not be in the book anyway.

How about a heads up on what sections have been started?

Besides Classes, of course... :-P

Uuh Hopefully not to much optional stuff. When things started getting in to the skills and powers stuff is when things stared loosing cohesion for me. new classes great! How people build characters drasticly different not so much.

Loving the Pathfinder way I just dont post much.

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 01:09 PM

Ignatz wrote:

Uuh Hopefully not to much optional stuff. When things started getting in to the skills and powers stuff is when things stared loosing cohesion for me. new classes great! How people build characters drasticly different not so much.

There'll be a fair amount of new stuff... but the point we're hoping to achieve here is to get it all done in this one single volume. We don't really have an interest in continually churning out APG after APG over and over. We're hoping to cover most of what we need and want to do with rules expansions for base classes in this one book, and then going forward have different themed rulebooks. (There might be an Asian book, for example, that talks about new options you can apply to existing classes to give them an Asian feel, but that's different in my opinion than a bunch of new options not tied to a specific type of campaign.)

Lyingbastard, Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 04:04 PM

Dalesh wrote:

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

You can get your Samurai fix in 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming's Paths of Power, which will be released by the end of November, in print and PDF form. There's also a Witch class, as well as Gladiator, Voyageur, Captain (Mercenary Company Leader), Sycophant (hangers on at court), Courtesan, Envenomed, Crypt Stalker, Anti-Paladin, Elemental Wizard, and Child of Bast.

Berselius, Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 04:16 PM

Any idea when we can expect to be able to download the 1st Playtest PDF for this wondrous product Paizo? ^_^

Zaister (Paizo Charter Superscriber), Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 04:19 PM

Lyingbastard wrote:

Dalesh wrote:

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

You can get your Samurai fix in 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming's Paths of Power, which will be released by the end of November, in print and PDF form. There's also a Witch class, as well as Gladiator, Voyageur, Captain (Mercenary Company Leader), Sycophant (hangers on at court), Courtesan, Envenomed, Crypt Stalker, Anti-Paladin, Elemental Wizard, and Child of Bast.

Haha, sycophant class? Great :)

Lyingbastard, Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 04:28 PM

Zaister wrote:

Lyingbastard wrote:

Dalesh wrote:

Don't contain the samurai class? What a disappointment...

You can get your Samurai fix in 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming's Paths of Power, which will be released by the end of November, in print and PDF form. There's also a Witch class, as well as Gladiator, Voyageur, Captain (Mercenary Company Leader), Sycophant (hangers on at court), Courtesan, Envenomed, Crypt Stalker, Anti-Paladin, Elemental Wizard, and Child of Bast.

Haha, sycophant class? Great :)

They're an NPC class but there will be features that some players might enjoy taking a few levels for.

GentleGiant (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 02:17 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

yoda8myhead wrote:

Oooooh, Product Announcements is starting!

cracks knuckles for a busy night of wiki updating

Bring it on!

Back away from the computer! I might sneak up a few more if I get a chance, but I think they'll mostly go up Tuesday. Tomorrow, you'll find out why this one had to go up today...

Did I miss something going up yesterday? Otherwise Tuesday has come and gone and no stuff... we want our stuff! :-p

Zaister (Paizo Charter Superscriber), Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 02:19 PM

I guess you did...

GentleGiant (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 02:40 PM

Zaister wrote:

I guess you did...

So I did... apparently I just didn't look very deep. That has now been corrected. Carry on. Nothing to see here.

thenorthman (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; GameMastery Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 05:16 PM

Vic Wertz wrote:

Just announced! (Officially, anyway—I know most of you already knew about it.)

The cover is just a mockup; the finished product will bear a brand-new piece by Wayne Reynolds.

So July 2010....wonder what awesome of awesome thing you guys got coming out then in August? You guys have set the bar VERY HIGH!!!!

You guys always have something for Gencon right?

Of course Gencon is like the first week of AUgust this year so maybe that is how it is falling. The end of July start of August.........hmmmmmm

Sean

Going to be a great summer though....See the second to last shuttle launch then go to Gencon...then read my new Pazio stuff.

gnomewizard, Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 08:06 AM

So any news on the PDF, cause I am dying to playtest the summoner class.

Eric Hinkle, Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:28 PM

I'm already eager to see the Inquisitor and Cavalier classes. This looks like it'll be great.

James Jacobs (Editor-in-Chief, Pathfinder), Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:33 PM

gnomewizard wrote:

So any news on the PDF, cause I am dying to playtest the summoner class.

HOPEFULLY... we'll have an announcement about the Playtests for this book next week sometime on the blog.