Alright, seriously, why not light green or emerald? And/or dark green spine?

I think they're saving green for the Serpent Skull AP since it takes place in the jungles of the Mwangi Expanse. Kingmaker is set in the River Kingdoms, so blue makes sense for the water theme. Personally, I'd have favored blue for a mostly aquatic-based AP and gone with purple for Kingmaker. It really is the color favored by royalty. So why not?

But that's just my two-cents,
--Neil

Yeah. We're saving green for the NEXT adventure path, Serpent's Skull.

At this point, it's looking like Kingmaker's gonna end up actually with a blue treatment. Cause of all the rivers in the River Kingdoms.

Well, I hope that the APs go on long enough that you run out of colors and have to move on to tied-dyed and plaid.

I can't wait for the aberration path who's cover is real aboleth skin!

I'm aiming for a rainbow of colors on my bookshelf, personally. So keep working them in as you can. ;-)

At this point, it's looking like Kingmaker's gonna end up actually with a blue treatment. Cause of all the rivers in the River Kingdoms.

*sniffle* but... but... Purple! Paizo Purple!

I'm really excited about this new strategy-like idea for this AP.
I can only hope that there will be more unique AP ideas/styles for the future as well.

Keep up the great work guys!

I am excited about this one as well, although I'm disappointed that (again) the adventure paths start at 1st level and end at something very short of 20th level.

Since this path is "Kingmaker" it would have made a lot more sense to start it at 13th level and get them to 20th level by the end of the campaign.

That way people who started campaigns in other adventure paths such as "The Council of Thieves" would be able to end that campaign and get in to something like this.

The Kingmaker series harkens back to some original D&D Companion modules for levels 14-25, which opened up the area of Norwald (Northern coasts)--a large area of mostly uncivilized land, for conquering.

I am excited about this one as well, although I'm disappointed that (again) the adventure paths start at 1st level and end at something very short of 20th level.

You can, of course, use the fast XP award track and hit 20th level quite easily; Kingmaker will likely assume the medium XP track. You'll need to adjust some of the encounters, of course, but it shouldn't be THAT tough...

Assuming that we can pull off a 1st-18th adventure path in the first place! (crosses fingers)

Hmmm... sooo many AP's... so few days to run Pathfinder games. :D

But, seriously, after these crazy holidays are complete I am going to revisit the notion of attempting to run two separate Pathfinder games.

I was thinking having Second Darkness be my "new" 2010 game... but maybe "Kingmaker" will be the game I choose to GM.

It does sound really cool, interesting, and exciting.

Can't wait.

Dean; the Minstrel Wyrm

I was thinking having Second Darkness be my "new" 2010 game... but maybe "Kingmaker" will be the game I choose to GM.

Oh, believe me. You're going to want to run Kingmaker. Heck, I want to run (or play in) a Kingmaker campaign...and I'm writing part of the darn thing!

The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

I was thinking having Second Darkness be my "new" 2010 game... but maybe "Kingmaker" will be the game I choose to GM.

Oh, believe me. You're going to want to run Kingmaker. Heck, I want to run (or play in) a Kingmaker campaign...and I'm writing part of the darn thing!

Heh heh... Neil believe me when I say, the fact that you're writing

I wish I could just GM several games a week... (y'know instead of having to work for a living...) although it does provide me the money to buy all these awesome products... that I want to GM... gasp curses... a catch 22!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. ;)

TMW

Hey Neil..you do realise you just volunteered to run our next PBP..after all you can't expect Thom and me to do all the work can you...

Of course I can...

I did say (or play in) a Kingmaker campaign. ;-P

Besides, a PbP game would take forever to get to my chapter. When's the last time you saw a PbP game take characters from 1st to 10th level with any kind of speed?

Nah. If I ever do run a PbP game, it'll probably be something shorter and more self-contained...like a standalone adventure module. I hear there's one coming out in January 2010 that might be somewhat decent. ;-D

Callous Jack wrote:

Small design request: Can the spines for these books be some other color instead of black? When I'm looking at the PFs on my shelf, I love that RotRL and LoF stand out with their white and red spines but black is used on the rest of them. The different colors allow me to quickly spot what I'm looking for and look nice overall.

Pretty please?

Probably. The covers of Kingmaker are going to be some sort of blue is my understanding. I'm not sure if Sarah's planning on extending that cover to the spines, though. I'll run the idea by her anyway.

Out of curiosity, did you ever get an answer from Sarah?

I am excited about this one as well, although I'm disappointed that (again) the adventure paths start at 1st level and end at something very short of 20th level.

Since this path is "Kingmaker" it would have made a lot more sense to start it at 13th level and get them to 20th level by the end of the campaign.

That way people who started campaigns in other adventure paths such as "The Council of Thieves" would be able to end that campaign and get in to something like this.

The Kingmaker series harkens back to some original D&D Companion modules for levels 14-25, which opened up the area of Norwald (Northern coasts)--a large area of mostly uncivilized land, for conquering.

Test of the Warlords was a great module for 15th level characters. It was sandbox style module where your character was granted land in Norworld.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_the_Warlords

Companion set's Dominion and war machine rules were easy to use and made it really cool to play a character with a dominion and an army.

Thunhus

Thorgrym wrote:

I am excited about this one as well, although I'm disappointed that (again) the adventure paths start at 1st level and end at something very short of 20th level.

You can, of course, use the fast XP award track and hit 20th level quite easily; Kingmaker will likely assume the medium XP track. You'll need to adjust some of the encounters, of course, but it shouldn't be THAT tough...

Assuming that we can pull off a 1st-18th adventure path in the first place! (crosses fingers)

You can DO it!!

For those who wish for concluding at 20th, you're in the same boat I am - having to home-brew that facet.

Take heart in the authors slated for this AP though - Sir Pett is on deck for Chapter 6, so I'm hoping for cyclopean horrors to devour characters alive. ^_^

Take heart in the authors slated for this AP though - Sir Pett is on deck for Chapter 6, so I'm hoping for cyclopean horrors to devour characters alive. ^_^

I hate when roughly-worked masonry devours my group! ;-)

Turin the Mad wrote:

Take heart in the authors slated for this AP though - Sir Pett is on deck for Chapter 6, so I'm hoping for cyclopean horrors to devour characters alive. ^_^

I hate when roughly-worked masonry devours my group! ;-)

Ayup ... templated advanced Colossal animated objects for the TPK! :D

James Jacobs wrote:

Callous Jack wrote:

Small design request: Can the spines for these books be some other color instead of black? When I'm looking at the PFs on my shelf, I love that RotRL and LoF stand out with their white and red spines but black is used on the rest of them. The different colors allow me to quickly spot what I'm looking for and look nice overall.

Pretty please?

Probably. The covers of Kingmaker are going to be some sort of blue is my understanding. I'm not sure if Sarah's planning on extending that cover to the spines, though. I'll run the idea by her anyway.

Out of curiosity, did you ever get an answer from Sarah?

I did.

Until the design is done, though, it's going to remain a secret.

I did.

Until the design is done, though, it's going to remain a secret.

Hehe, that's just mean...

I've always tried making a colonizing type adventure.. the rules needed for the upkeep and the running of the kingdom always end up being long, complicated and tiresome...
I'm curious as to how Paizo designed this adventure... very curious...

This will be my first AP to run also. Sadly, up until the trip to GenCon 2009, I'd heard nothing of Pathfinder. But during that 10+ hour drive, I skimmed through a book that one of my compadres had, plus listened as they both described what it was. Having known nothing of it prior to that, I still woke up early Thursday morning to wait outside the vendor's hall, and (not counting the VIGs) I believe I was the second person to purchase the PFRPG Core Rulebook. I've been hooked since then, and have been attempting to put together my own game. I figured I might be better off learning the procedure from the masters after playing CotCT and seeing how well it was written. Went to the website, saw Kingmaker, and I was blown away. So, this will be my AP of choice for my players, when they finish up with CotE and learn the new system.

Does anyone else get a "Keep on the Borderlands" vibe off this, or is it just me? I'm more jazzed about this than any of the other APs (and, as you can see from my forum title, I've got them all).

I got that vibe too :). Its a good thing.

I may have to re-up my subscrips for this one!!

RM

I'm trying to finish up an AP so I can start this one!

When can we see the official cover?

When can we see the official cover?

Yeah, what he said.

I've updated the image and product description to match the finished product.

It looks very green. I thought it was going to be blue? not that I mind. And nice cover.

It looks very green. I thought it was going to be blue? not that I mind. And nice cover.

At one point it was blue. Sarah thought that looked very ugly. So Sarah changed it to green.

I've updated the image and product description to match the finished product.

Great cover. The savage looking, Erastil inspired (?) hunter is downright scary.

I just noticed, Steve Kenson is doing the Brevoy Gazeteer?

Awesome meet Sauce.

Dark_Mistress wrote:

It looks very green. I thought it was going to be blue? not that I mind. And nice cover.

At one point it was blue. Sarah thought that looked very ugly. So Sarah changed it to green.

And that makes me very happy! ;)

Looks Great, I look forward to its release. One question thou, will there be any additional source to this AP in the form of a Chronicle / Companion? Like how Council of Thieves (loving that so far) had "Pathfinder Chronicles: Princes of Darkness" & "Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils"? As I understand it, the previous standard was to release "Player Guides" but the new practice is to release them in the form of expanded "Pathfinder Companions" or am I mistaken?

So with the XP progression as it is, Stolen Land will take the PCs from 1st level to what...4th or 5th?

Fantastic cover! Do we get to know the color of the spine yet?

Looks Great, I look forward to its release. One question thou, will there be any additional source to this AP in the form of a Chronicle / Companion? Like how Council of Thieves (loving that so far) had "Pathfinder Chronicles: Princes of Darkness" & "Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils"? As I understand it, the previous standard was to release "Player Guides" but the new practice is to release them in the form of expanded "Pathfinder Companions" or am I mistaken?

Well, there's the Guide to the River Kingdoms coming out soon'ish (currently slated for a February release).

Looks great!!

Looks Great, I look forward to its release. One question thou, will there be any additional source to this AP in the form of a Chronicle / Companion? Like how Council of Thieves (loving that so far) had "Pathfinder Chronicles: Princes of Darkness" & "Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils"? As I understand it, the previous standard was to release "Player Guides" but the new practice is to release them in the form of expanded "Pathfinder Companions" or am I mistaken?

Kingmaker will have some source material in "Guide to the River Kingdoms," and there'll be a free "Player's Guide to Kingmaker" PDF once the AP launches.

So with the XP progression as it is, Stolen Land will take the PCs from 1st level to what...4th or 5th?

PCs should end Stolen Land having just reached or just about to reach 4th level. The idea is for each installment to cover 3 experience levels.

lovin that cover!!

thanks!

William Bryan wrote:

So with the XP progression as it is, Stolen Land will take the PCs from 1st level to what...4th or 5th?

PCs should end Stolen Land having just reached or just about to reach 4th level. The idea is for each installment to cover 3 experience levels.

I LIKE!!

You guys have been reading my adventure notes again...

No, seriously. I've been running a campaign very similar to that in the Beta rules (switching to Official Release tomorrow in fact), but haven't cranked up the political stuff yet (see Naze Valley Rangers over on Obsidian Portal). Now I must buy it to see what cool stuff I can leverage into my game.

That.IS. COOL!

I cant wait to have my own copy of this!

I've updated the image and product description to match the finished product.

Is it possible that the placeholder cover is still available somewhere? I uh... liked the purple :)

Vic Wertz wrote:

I've updated the image and product description to match the finished product.

Is it possible that the placeholder cover is still available somewhere? I uh... liked the purple :)

It's gone to placeholder cover heaven.

Very cool.

Vic Wertz wrote:

I've updated the image and product description to match the finished product.

Is it possible that the placeholder cover is still available somewhere? I uh... liked the purple :)

Check the "File history" section of the image page on PathfinderWiki. For the sake of transparency and for posterity, we try to maintain all versions of images that are included in the project. One result of this is that you can generally find placeholder images of older products, though some of the earliest ones have only final art.

Check the "File history" section of the image page on PathfinderWiki. For the sake of transparency and for posterity, we try to maintain all versions of images that are included in the project. One result of this is that you can generally find placeholder images of older products, though some of the earliest ones have only final art.

Wow, this rocks to no end! Thank you very much! I'll be sure to refer to this wiki for similar (and other!) needs.