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Coincidentally, Mr. Fishy's balls cast its shadow today and thus proclaimed six more weeks of winter. Brrr.Are you sure it was Mr. Fishy?Would I lie to a Chelaxian dwarf who dances in the nude with only his beard as cover?
Uh...scratch that. ;)
Who said that my beard covers anything? Maybe I like twirling it around as I dance, hey? ;)
What are the chances that the missing SRD tables will make it into the GMG? Specifically I mean the tables for rolling basic weapon and armor types as treasure, but I think there are one or two other tables that got left out.
Our understanding is that the GMG will have the random treasure tables that didn't make it into the Core Rulebook. (This is the MOST important thing in this book for me, at least.)
How bad is it that I knew which spell they were using before I read the filename of the image?
I'll say it is not very bad at all. Especially if you say the same about my recognizing it. My son thought "Noooo, that's too obvious. They're casting Lightning Bolt metamagicked with the Fire Substitution feat."
I gave him points for creativity.
You mentioned "tables" in the blog post, made me think:
What are the chances that the missing SRD tables will make it into the GMG? Specifically I mean the tables for rolling basic weapon and armor types as treasure, but I think there are one or two other tables that got left out.
The GMG will have all the missing tables so you'll be able to roll up all sorts of random treasure! YAY!!!!
The GMG will have all the missing tables so you'll be able to roll up all sorts of random treasure! YAY!!!!
I detect a hint of sarcasm. :)
You know what is strange? I offer this as game design fodder:
I don't roll random treasure, but the absence of the fundamental equipment tables bothered me immensely. So much space was taken up in the CRB by tables for generating treasure randomly, including power types for weapons.
It's never really been a tool that I reached for, but the one time I reached for it (to populate my shops according to PRPG's new availability rule) I found it was an incomplete system. Since I would have been perfectly okay with no randomization of treasure at all, my next thought was: why is this taking up space in the book if I can't generate random treasure with it?
The tables are in the GMG, so I consider the offense to be entirely redressed. Now that it's a process that I can use from start to finish — even though I will probably NEVER do so — the presence of those other tables in the CRB is now justified. The heavens have aligned and all is right with the world!
Now, if I am really bored and I want to roll to generate every item for sale in Magnimar, I CAN! I won't. But it's nice to have the option.
I know this is kind of silly, but I figure there might be some value in it for future design consideration. (the end)
The GMG will have all the missing tables so you'll be able to roll up all sorts of random treasure! YAY!!!!I detect a hint of sarcasm. :)
What you're detecting is my own dissatisfaction and frustration with the fact that the tables were missing from the core rulebook in the first place. They SHOULD have been in there. Putting them in the GMG fixes the problem, but it's still frustrating.
What you're detecting is my own dissatisfaction and frustration with the fact that the tables were missing from the core rulebook in the first place. They SHOULD have been in there. Putting them in the GMG fixes the problem, but it's still frustrating.
Oh. In that case, I applaud your honesty — last time I raised the topic the response seemed like "Eh you didn't need those tables anyway." And that's sort of true, I didn't.
It was a pretty minute oversight in a 500 page masterpiece, don't dwell on it too much.
Draco Bahamut
(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Tales, GameMastery Cards Subscriber)
If you subscribe to the RPG line you get free pdfs. Actually, you get free pdfs for all the lines you subscribe to (all the lines that have pdf versions). You also receive the Pathfinder Advantage: 15% off of suggested retail price of all products on paizo.com (with the exception of non-Paizo PDFs). This 15% discount even applies to other Paizo subscriptions that aren't normally discounted!
If you just order the book you do not get a free pdf.
If you subscribe to the RPG line you get free pdfs. Actually, you get free pdfs for all the lines you subscribe to (all the lines that have pdf versions). You also receive the Pathfinder Advantage: 15% off of suggested retail price of all products on paizo.com (with the exception of non-Paizo PDFs). This 15% discount even applies to other Paizo subscriptions that aren't normally discounted!
If you just order the book you do not get a free pdf.
Mostly right... but the Pathfinder Advantage is a benefit for Adventure Path subscribers only.
YUp it was advantage and the free pdf's that finally convinced me to go all out on subs..in the end even with postage it works out a lot cheaper than buying the dead tree retail in the UK and then buying the pdf's as well.
Plus I got fed up with the delays imposed on my FLGS by Esdevium..
Same for me. Things seem to take FOREVER to ship to APO addresses, so the PDF versions are great.
Stupid question. Why did this get pushed up till July 2010? Thanks.
Because we refuse to publish a book that isn't the best that it can possibly be. Sometimes that bites us in the rear end when it comes to hitting deadlines, but I would rather have that happen than publish a book that we aren't 100% happy with just to hit a deadline.
-Lisa
Because we refuse to publish a book that isn't the best that it can possibly be. Sometimes that bites us in the rear end when it comes to hitting deadlines, but I would rather have that happen than publish a book that we aren't 100% happy with just to hit a deadline.
<insert frustrated gnashing of teeth>
Would it be feasible to get a preview PDF of the random treasure tables to tide us over?
Stupid question. Why did this get pushed up till July 2010? Thanks.Because we refuse to publish a book that isn't the best that it can possibly be. Sometimes that bites us in the rear end when it comes to hitting deadlines, but I would rather have that happen than publish a book that we aren't 100% happy with just to hit a deadline.
-Lisa
Lisa,
I am happy with that response. I just gotta say that I love PFRPG, my friends love PFRPG and I got some one into PFRPG, who loves PFRPG! It is always better to push something back to polish it and give it a little more love then release it prematurely. Thank you for the response and like I said It was a stupid question.-MRblahface
Lisa,
I am happy with that response. I just gotta say that I love PFRPG, my friends love PFRPG and I got some one into PFRPG, who loves PFRPG! It is always better to push something back to polish it and give it a little more love then release it prematurely. Thank you for the response and like I said It was a stupid question.-MRblahface
Trust me, nobody is more frustrated when something slips a deadline date here than me and the rest of the staff. It is like a purple worm, gnawing at your insides. But I would rather have that purple worm gnawing than release a bad product. Now I wish we could have had a slam dunk, killer book on schedule, and that is something that we will learn from this book and hopefully make strides towards for the next ones.
-Lisa
Because we refuse to publish a book that isn't the best that it can possibly be. Sometimes that bites us in the rear end when it comes to hitting deadlines, but I would rather have that happen than publish a book that we aren't 100% happy with just to hit a deadline.<insert frustrated gnashing of teeth>
Would it be feasible to get a preview PDF of the random treasure tables to tide us over?
Stripping out the tables and then relaying them out as a separate PDF is, unfortunately, exactly the type of side-project that makes books late. It might only make the book a few days or a week late (table layout is probably the most DIFFICULT part of layout for a book like this, because it's tough making the tables look good AND do what they need to do), but it's kind of like the death of a thousand cuts. I'd rather keep it to the death of 995 cuts (or less) when it comes to such a fate.
So... we'll see what we can do regarding previews and stuff, but something extensive is relatively unlikely.
Stripping out the tables and then relaying them out as a separate PDF is, unfortunately, exactly the type of side-project that makes books late. It might only make the book a few days or a week late (table layout is probably the most DIFFICULT part of layout for a book like this, because it's tough making the tables look good AND do what they need to do), but it's kind of like the death of a thousand cuts. I'd rather keep it to the death of 995 cuts (or less) when it comes to such a fate.
So... we'll see what we can do regarding previews and stuff, but something extensive is relatively unlikely.
Okay. I appreciate that you guys are moving at 125% of Safe Cruising Speed, and there's not a lot you can do if the balrog illustration comes back from the artist at the eleventh hour...with fairy wings...except bite the bullet and slip a few weeks.
Lisa,
I am happy with that response. I just gotta say that I love PFRPG, my friends love PFRPG and I got some one into PFRPG, who loves PFRPG! It is always better to push something back to polish it and give it a little more love then release it prematurely. Thank you for the response and like I said It was a stupid question.-MRblahface
Trust me, nobody is more frustrated when something slips a deadline date here than me and the rest of the staff. It is like a purple worm, gnawing at your insides. But I would rather have that purple worm gnawing than release a bad product. Now I wish we could have had a slam dunk, killer book on schedule, and that is something that we will learn from this book and hopefully make strides towards for the next ones.
-Lisa
You know, i was just wondering this myself, and I can say i could not be any more happy to hear this. If a product is delayed due to shipping errors i get frustrated, but if a product is delayed so that it can be finished correctly, then by all means do so. In a year or 2, people wont remember the PFGMG was delayed a few months, but they will remember if it was poorly edited, written, art'ed (?), etc. So thank you for the taking the extra time (no really).
This is exactly the type of thing I was hoping for when it came to the "other" hardcovers for the PFRPG game. Something that is going to be a good toolbox for a GM.
Couldn't agree more. My only sadness is that I'm going to have to wait till July 2010 to get my grubby hands on it. Bah! Looking forward to all the new Pathfinder books in the future.
Because we refuse to publish a book that isn't the best that it can possibly be. Sometimes that bites us in the rear end when it comes to hitting deadlines, but I would rather have that happen than publish a book that we aren't 100% happy with just to hit a deadline.-Lisa
A decision that does Paizo credit IMHO. I hate buying RPG books and then finding typos and bad cut/paste jobs ruining the overall grammar. As we say in software development. Cut and Paste is an invention of the Devil. You wouldn't believe how much source code I messed up by careless cutting and pasting, unless I'm very thorough and careful -which is not as easy as it seems.
Hope you have good copy-editors at Paizo. I can't begin to tell you how many books I purchase by well-known authors from "respected" publishers only to find unacceptable numbers of typos. OK the odd typo is easy to ignore. Spell checkers are your friend, but spell checkers only correct words spelled incorrectly. Grammar checker software is for the most part pretty primitive and relying on these products is perilous. Nothing can replace careful reading by the copy editor. Kind regards and good luck with Paizo and its product lines
